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MVP is a great leadout man. If Philipsen wasn't in Alpecin with MVP, he would not win 4 stages in the Tour or MSR.In my eyes, there's just the "big 4", Vingegaard, Van der Poel, Pogacar and Philipsen. And I can understand if you don't think that Philipsen quite belong with the other 3.
Oh stop it, because of 6 stages in TdF and MSR? Come on. Remco and Wout are obviously better for the moment, Philipsen needs to show this level for a season or two and do well in the cobbled classics to be considered in this league at allIn my eyes, there's just the "big 4", Vingegaard, Van der Poel, Pogacar and Philipsen. And I can understand if you don't think that Philipsen quite belong with the other 3.
MVP is a great leadout man. If Philipsen wasn't in Alpecin with MVP, he would not win 4 stages in the Tour or MSR.
I could take it down as far as a big 2 of Pogi and MVDP as I honestly think they could win plenty of races as solo entrants without any team-mates gravel racing style. Possibly Vingegaard could also with minimal support but no chance Philipsen is doing that.In my eyes, there's just the "big 4", Vingegaard, Van der Poel, Pogacar and Philipsen. And I can understand if you don't think that Philipsen quite belong with the other 3.
Philipsen already has a 2nd place in Roubaix and two victories in Brugge-De Panne to show he can do well in the cobbled classics. Objectively he had a more successfull 2023 than Wout. Now he will also have a more successfull 2024.Oh stop it, because of 6 stages in TdF and MSR? Come on. Remco and Wout are obviously better for the moment, Philipsen needs to show this level for a season or two and do well in the cobbled classics to be considered in this league at all
Right now its a big 5. Roglic is MIA
hm, more like the big 1 , Pogacar. Then the others.What is your pecking order of the Big 6 in terms of overall skills?
I'd say Pog > Vingegaard > MvdP >> Evenepoel > Roglic = Van AertWhat is your pecking order of the Big 6 in terms of overall skills?
I would change two details:I'd say Pog > Vingegaard > MvdP >> Evenepoel > Roglic = Van Aert
Vingegaard and MvdP are both specialists, but I give Vingegaard the edge because he didn't get clapped by Pog last year in his #1 race, plus he goes hard more than 3 race days a year. Evenepoel deserves credit for his versatility, but he gets beaten by Pog on any terrain. Rog has the same issue as Evenepoel, but a bit worse, and he doesn't win big Tier 2 races as much as Evenepoel does, even if he's more likely to get 3rd in a TdF. Van Aert is the one that both can only win few top tier races AND he gets beaten in them, though you may argue Rog can't win monuments.
That aged well.Right now its a big 5. Roglic is MIA
Race isn’t over yet but I hope he can be on the up and up.That aged well.
What do you consider big tier 2 races?I'd say Pog > Vingegaard > MvdP >> Evenepoel > Roglic = Van Aert
Vingegaard and MvdP are both specialists, but I give Vingegaard the edge because he didn't get clapped by Pog last year in his #1 race, plus he goes hard more than 3 race days a year. Evenepoel deserves credit for his versatility, but he gets beaten by Pog on any terrain. Rog has the same issue as Evenepoel, but a bit worse, and he doesn't win big Tier 2 races as much as Evenepoel does, even if he's more likely to get 3rd in a TdF. Van Aert is the one that both can only win few top tier races AND he gets beaten in them, though you may argue Rog can't win monuments.
I agree with this one. The moment you put Pogacar ahead of the rest you are implying that you are comparing riders over multiple disciplines, which isn't possible. You should look at the riders within their speciality, and in such a case, these 3 are the best.Pog, Vinge, VDP on the same level.
Remco, Roglic little below.
Van Aert further below.