The classics so far suffered from the big 6 problem, when theres only one, it quickly becomes boring. Mvdp is of course amazing, as was pog in Strade, but the inevitableness of the 1/6 riding away and then watch them solo for an hour or more is not exactly the most exciting turn of events - especially because the duels among the big 6 are freaking amazing to watch. Really hope we will have competitive GTs but its not looking good.
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Indeed it should be illegal for any one of the 6 to line up without one of the others
Ya, said it in the PR thread but as impressive as they are, it's kind of ruining cycling (at least for me). You see them on the startlist and just feels inevitable that they'll win or help a teammate win.
I'm not even sure Rog or Remco can put it up to Pogacar at the Tour. Really need Vingegaard there and it might open up as they look at each other. If Pogacar only has to respond to the other two, I don't see it being competitive
I'm not even sure Rog or Remco can put it up to Pogacar at the Tour. Really need Vingegaard there and it might open up as they look at each other. If Pogacar only has to respond to the other two, I don't see it being competitive
Cycling oligopoly on a nutshell:
2024 seasonal top-10 CQ Ranking (after Roubaix):
1st-2nd: Alpecin (Philipsen / Van der Poel)
4th-5th-6th: UAE (Ayuso / Pogacar / McNulty)
7th-8th: Soudal (Evenepoel / Merlier)
9th-10th: Visma (Vingegaard / Jorgenson)
2024 seasonal top-10 CQ Ranking (after Roubaix):
1st-2nd: Alpecin (Philipsen / Van der Poel)
4th-5th-6th: UAE (Ayuso / Pogacar / McNulty)
7th-8th: Soudal (Evenepoel / Merlier)
9th-10th: Visma (Vingegaard / Jorgenson)
Well Pogacar will have the Giro in his legs, it will have an effect on him. Might be enough to make it competitive.
Yup. It should be competitive. I can see Roglic even beating Pogacar at the Tour. Not sure about Evenepoel though.
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I agree. Roglic can beat Pogacar in the Tour, because he will be cooked after having the Giro in his legs.
People saying Pog will be gassed after the Giro have paid 0 attention to the last 15 years
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I all want to say is that after the Giro he won't be 100% as he would be when peaking exclusively for the Tour. Let's say those 90% should be enough for almost all non-Vingo rivals but not necessarily for Roglic.
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I didn't get this.
For me only (bar crashes) his own ego can beat Pogacar. Seriously, have people looked to Giro's startlist? It is horrendous! His best opponent is Simon Yates, who is clearly past his prime (6 years since his Armstrong peak). Thomas is fading as well, he is 38 years old. These 2 are his only competition. If we look to the route, it is very easy. Only his ego can beat him but if he chooses his stages carefully, he can preserve some energy for the Tour. The first weekend, both TT and Prati di Tivo should be enough to build a 5/6 minutes gap. After this, just follow wheels and try to focus in the Tour.
After these setbacks of his opponents (Vingegaard, Remco, Roglic), the first stage in the Tour is tailormade for a long range attack. UAE can create havoc there if Pogacar is good (he should be in the first stage).
Suddenly the Giro is the best preparation for the Tour.... that's BS. Roglic and Remco will not go to the Giro before the Tour. Vingegaard wasn't listed to do that. Certainly the performance staff of this teams know more about what is the best preparation for being in top shape during the Tour.
Suddenly Emirates finded the "Obélix magic potion", and going to the Giro is the perfect preparation for the Tour.
Pogacar was listed to the Giro because he and emirates doesn't want to risk an all in to the Tour, and not win 3 years in a row, a GT.
Pantani was the last one doing the double Giro/Tour, + 20 years ago. Since then, i never saw anyone being close to winning the double Giro/Tour.
Normally a top rider has the ambition of doing the double Giro/Tour, or Tour/Vuelta when in the previous year he won the Tour.
You can't win the Tour, but you think doing the Giro/Tour is more easy to being preparared to win the Tour....that's BS.
Pogacar just wants to go with the Giro in his pocket to the Tour, and ride without pressure. If he fails or fades again, he has the excuses of having the Giro in his legs. It's a win win situation.
If Vingegaard doesn't go to the Tour, and with Pogacar doing the Giro, Roglic has probably the last great chance to win the Tour.
Suddenly Emirates finded the "Obélix magic potion", and going to the Giro is the perfect preparation for the Tour.
Pogacar was listed to the Giro because he and emirates doesn't want to risk an all in to the Tour, and not win 3 years in a row, a GT.
Pantani was the last one doing the double Giro/Tour, + 20 years ago. Since then, i never saw anyone being close to winning the double Giro/Tour.
Normally a top rider has the ambition of doing the double Giro/Tour, or Tour/Vuelta when in the previous year he won the Tour.
You can't win the Tour, but you think doing the Giro/Tour is more easy to being preparared to win the Tour....that's BS.
Pogacar just wants to go with the Giro in his pocket to the Tour, and ride without pressure. If he fails or fades again, he has the excuses of having the Giro in his legs. It's a win win situation.
If Vingegaard doesn't go to the Tour, and with Pogacar doing the Giro, Roglic has probably the last great chance to win the Tour.
Jesus Christ, no one is saying Giro is the best preparation for the Tour (because it isn't). We are saying he is the main favourite for the Tour even with Giro in his legs. But this is only because Vingegaard will be out or will race far from his peak shape. The gap between Vingegaard/Pogacar and the rest is massive. Only Roglic can be somewhat close.
Pello Bilbao got 5th in the Giro that started 2 weeks after he finished the Tour.
Im more worried about detraining because of how bad the Giro field and route is than being fried by the end
Im more worried about detraining because of how bad the Giro field and route is than being fried by the end
Yes, during this season you could see that especially, when van der Poel, Pogacar or Vingegaard had been in the race.
I don´t think, that this problem exists, when only Roglic or van Aert are in the race. Also not Evenepoel in stage races, although in hillier one day races (San Sebastian, Liege) one could observe this problem in the past.
I assume, that van der Poel will also dominate Amstel Gold Race, while Pogacar will dominate Liege (although van der Poel is also scheduled here, but the profile just suites Pogacar better).
Also for the Giro I am pretty pessimistic in regard to exciting racing. (No competition for Pogacar).
Most exciting racing had been so far in week-long stage races, where neither Pogacar or Vingegaard finished (Paris-Nice, Itzulia (yes, last stage was great racing!)) and the one day-races with an easier more sprinter friendly profile. (Milan San Remo and Gent-Wevelgem)
As long as Vingo is turning into Danish Geraint Thomas, Pog should be fine...
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People are saying it's better to not do the Giro than to do the Giro before the Tour. No one is saying that Pogacar will be completely gassed at the Tour. Also in 2018 when Froome won the Giro, he lost the Tour.
Interesting quote for someone called "Froome". It was 2018 I believe. What was the rider's name?...ow yes! Froome! Ow and there was also Dumoulin...
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