The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

[42x16ss]

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Why in the world would you prepare yourself for the cobbles in the TdF as a sprinter without any chance of winning it? That really makes no sense to me.

To make it to the rest of the sprint stages in the best possible condition?

 

[Nirvana]

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To me and I know a lot will
Disagree but People hate on Ewan because he Australian vs the almost sickening love for riders from Colombia and Portugal
On here. Zero reason why a 23 year cops the crap he does on here and the love for the exact same rider from Colombia is over earned

Here Colombians are usually overhyped but Gaviria sprinting wise has already showed that is a phenomenon, I think it's difficult to find a rider with 4 wins and points jersey in his first GT.
What he should show are his credentials in cobbles/hilly classics where some think he could deliver.

 

[Cinemaniak]

After today, I know for sure this Gaviria is extremely overrated. Screws up so many sprints or races, that it's getting clear. I wonder when they go for Jakobsen or Hodeg.

 

[42x16ss]

These two are going to clean up at the TDF. Even Kittel needs to be on his toes.

 

[DNP-Old]

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These two are going to clean up at the TDF. Even Kittel needs to be on his toes.

As of right now, in a flat sprint, I'd still rate a Kittel in top shape higher than both. I would also put Cavendish in there based of reputation. We already collectively put the final nail in his coffin back in '16. I ain't making that mistake again.

 

[Oude Geuze]

Personally I’m not that big of a fan of Australian cycling, Cadel Ewans wasn’t a good ambassador and a lot of obnoxious cycling bloggers on yt are from Australia so I’m biased. But with Caleb Ewan I think I just dislike short riders in general, never really cared for Cav either. I like the tall, powerful and handsome sprinters like Cipo, Kittel and Hushovd, and prefer Dumoulin over Pozzovivo That’s probably why I like Gaviria more, maybe this unconsciously affects a lot of fans, idk. Caleb is obviously talented though.

 

[yaco]

Ewan will be happy to win a stage - Reckon Gaviria is a touch quicker but positioning can get you a win - Both riders should get a stage win.

 

[42x16ss]

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Ewan will be happy to win a stage - Reckon Gaviria is a touch quicker but positioning can get you a win - Both riders should get a stage win.

Their speed is very similar, but Gaviria’s positioning is usually perfect. He reads a sprint so well for a young guy.

 

[Gigs_98]

Once again took a look at some of the posts made in this thread. Had laugh at a few posts like claiming this was as one sided as Sagan vs EBH...yeah...guess what, Ewan now has the same amount of tdf stages as Gaviria and just one less gt stage in general while other than Gaviria he has won stages at all three gt's. Boy does this make me happy after all the sh*t that was written about Ewan in this thread.

 

[Cookster15]

Once again took a look at some of the posts made in this thread. Had laugh at a few posts like claiming this was as one sided as Sagan vs EBH...yeah...guess what, Ewan now has the same amount of tdf stages as Gaviria and just one less gt stage in general while other than Gaviria he has won stages at all three gt's. Boy does this make me happy after all the sh*t that was written about Ewan in this thread.

Nice to see such comments from a neutral observer. Yes I was aware of some of the illogical unfair comments on Ewan in the past. Always felt it was only a matter of time before he got the formula right. Happy to see him delivering his full potential. Hopefully he gets over the Alpes and can make it three on the Champs-Élysées.

 

[jaylew]

Ewan has finished top 3 in all 6 big bunch sprints this Tour.

 

[Scarponi]

It was quite clear the only reason Gaviriawas rated higher was because of the Colombian hard on this forum has.

 

[yaco]

Gaviria is a touch quicker and maybe more versatile in riding Classic type races - But there has always been little between Ewan and Gaviria.

 

[drebelo]

I would like to see him going to the Vuelta trying to win a stage in all the GTs in the same year

 

[Gigs_98]

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Gaviria is a touch quicker and maybe more versatile in riding Classic type races - But there has always been little between Ewan and Gaviria.

I still honestly think that gaviria is the more talented rider. I think they are almost equal in simpel bunch sprints but Gaviria can win slightly harder races (although of the two Ewan was a lot closer to winning Milano Sanremo). But raw talent isn't everything. I'm starting to doubt we will ever see gavirias full potential in classics while Ewan looks like this year for the first time in his career he really got all the pieces he needs together.

 

[stefank]

It's interesting that Ewan is always portrayed as yet another Australian cyclist, but perhaps he should also be recognised as one of the most successful WT cyclists to date with significant (half) eastern Asian heritage.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Gaviria is far better in tactics and bike handling, and usually better in speed, than Ewan

Gaviria and bike handling are not really friends, I might say.

 

[del1962]

Dont see how Gaviria has better bike handling skills than Ewan, when Gaviria burst on the seen he looked great both on road and track, but hasn't lived up to expectations. Ewan did impress by finishing 2014 commonwealth games in crazy poor conditions

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Gaviria is a touch quicker and maybe more versatile in riding Classic type races - But there has always been little between Ewan and Gaviria.

On the other hand, we've seen Ewan do great in more puncheur-like finishes where i can't see Gaviria finish remotely as well.

 

[tobydawq]

I have even seen Ewan not crash.

 

[yaco]

Ewan's had a few crashes but luckily has suffered no injury of significance.

 

[Scarponi]

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It's interesting that Ewan is always portrayed as yet another Australian cyclist, but perhaps he should also be recognised as one of the most successful WT cyclists to date with significant (half) eastern Asian heritage.

Imagine the pandemonium on here if he was half Colombian!

 

[PremierAndrew]

It's not even close, and Ewan has won those TdF stages this year because of the unusually weak field, including the absence of Gaviria, who got injured and isn't there. Photo-finish with Groenwegen in Stage 11 and edging Viviani / Groenwegen by a wheel-length in stage 16

Ewan is a one-trick pony who is also inferior in strategy and style.

Most of the current top sprinters are here.

Generally, the level of top sprinters these days is low. I'd go as far as to argue the likes of Goss and Farrar would be enjoying decent success right now, let alone Cav/Kittel/Greipel

 

[tobydawq]

It's not even close, and Ewan has won those TdF stages this year because of the unusually weak field, including the absence of Gaviria, who got injured and isn't there. Photo-finish with Groenwegen in Stage 11 and edging Viviani / Groenwegen by a wheel-length in stage 16

Ewan is a one-trick pony who is also inferior in strategy and style.

Lol.

Because Gaviria has had a lot of luck against Groenewegen recently... Check De Panne if you want to see how they measure up against each other.

 

[Gigs_98]

Too bad team UAE is so stacked that Gaviria didn't have a spot in their squad so he can beat Ewan again. Anyway, I'm sure Ewan can hardly sleep thinking about his humiliating 114th place in a stage at the Tour of Guangxi he so desperately tried to win.