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Tei6chai

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AussieGoddess said:
hmm - so the Italians did it for Cipo ... and HTC did it for 5 long years for Cav. Its not that rare.
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errr?

I can't remember ever seeing the whole HTC team on the front for an entire race.

In fact, I'd be surprised if they had the whole team on the front for the last 30 km of more than 1:2 sprinters stages.

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My point is - he is the absolute best. He doesnt need a lot by the end thats true, but many of the teams simply will not chase the break if it means bringing Cav up. It will be like RVV and PR this year with Cancellara ...and like the Ardennes and other hilly races with Gilbert. Orders will be 'dont work with Cav" (or in this case, make sure you get in the break as we will not be chasing!!!)
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RVV and PR hardly compare with your typical GT sprinters' stage ... and one of the reasons they don't compare is that hardly any team stays intact in those races.
 
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It's of course different case w/ stage racing. Sprinter needs team there for energy saving reasons and for problems. There is more than just last 3 km. But Telekom handled that quite well those days with Zabo and Ullrich..Reasons for Ullrich not winning TdF are probably elsewhere than team build and tactical options. Zabo had his green jerseys anyway. Same with Wiggo and Cav. Cav is going to have his greens and Wiggo is not winning TdF never because IMO he lacks so much agressive explosive behaviour that it's not possible. Young Ullrich had more..I'd say matured Ullrich had more than Wiggo (but this is slippin and slidin to OT..)
 
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Cav does not need a team to do all the work. HTC did that because it pretty much guaranteed wins, but that doesn't mean they needed to. Of course ther teams will work to bring back the break.

I can just see the meeting now between Garmin and JV:

Garmin: "Why didn't you chase any breaks?! You too Farrar and Hausler."
JV: "Well yes, but they aren't good enough so we didn't bother trying to win flat stages and just let the break win."
Garmin: "And you want us to continue sponsorship?"
JV: "Yes please, after all it's the taking part that counts..."

Or Greenedge with no partner sponsor and a team loaded with sprinters don't bother chasing a break because they aren't good enough to win. That'll go down well with potential sponsors and the Aussie public won't it?
 
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patterson_hood said:
Cav does not need a team to do all the work. HTC did that because it pretty much guaranteed wins, but that doesn't mean they needed to. Of course ther teams will work to bring back the break.

I can just see the meeting now between Garmin and JV:

Garmin: "Why didn't you chase any breaks?! You too Farrar and Hausler."
JV: "Well yes, but they aren't good enough so we didn't bother trying to win flat stages and just let the break win."
Garmin: "And you want us to continue sponsorship?"
JV: "Yes please, after all it's the taking part that counts..."
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;) Do you think it was a similar conservation earlier in the season when he told them to race for third
 
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Richeypen said:
;) Do you think it was a similar conservation earlier in the season when he told them to race for third
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Maybe, but Roubaix is a bit different to a GT stage.


Cav has shown time and again that he can win without a train, mainly because someone else will provide it (Aussies at the worlds) and he just needs to know which wheel to follow. The best way to beat Cav when he doesn't have a train is to have two sprinters with different leadout men, send them down the opposite sides of the road then whichever one Cav follows drops off the pace and the other carries on flat out. Maybe this is why GE have recruited so many sprinters, would certainly make the endings more interesting.
 
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patterson_hood said:
Cav has shown time and again that he can win without a train, mainly because someone else will provide it (Aussies at the worlds) and he just needs to know which wheel to follow. The best way to beat Cav when he doesn't have a train is to have two sprinters with different leadout men, send them down the opposite sides of the road then whichever one Cav follows drops off the pace and the other carries on flat out. Maybe this is why GE have recruited so many sprinters, would certainly make the endings more interesting.
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Completely agree and it has been shown time after time in the last few years. Always treat these threads in jest as Cav has proved his case over and over again.
 
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One factor for 2012 will be whether Cav wants to wear green and win on Champs Elysees again, or concentrate on the Olympics

I suspect he will want to drop out of the tour before the last set of mountains to prepare for the Olympics. However if he is wearing green he may feel he has to stay in the race (in the same way as he stayed in the vuelta 2010 ahead of the WC).

So, part of the bluff may be that he doesn't mind 'only' winning 2-4 stages
 
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Tei6chai

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Morbius said:
One factor for 2012 will be whether Cav wants to wear green and win on Champs Elysees again, or concentrate on the Olympics

I suspect he will want to drop out of the tour before the last set of mountains to prepare for the Olympics. However if he is wearing green he may feel he has to stay in the race (in the same way as he stayed in the vuelta 2010 ahead of the WC).

So, part of the bluff may be that he doesn't mind 'only' winning 2-4 stages
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Interesting point.

Cav's personal history suggests that he always needs a new goal/target to motivate him, so the "been there, done that" logic may well apply to the Champs Elysees

On the other hand, he's also one of the most committed to celebrating and maintaining cycling's cultural history ... so you can never be sure (creating one more thing for his opponents to think about)
 
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Tei6chai said:
Interesting point.

Cav's personal history suggests that he always needs a new goal/target to motivate him, so the "been there, done that" logic may well apply to the Champs Elysees

On the other hand, he's also one of the most committed to celebrating and maintaining cycling's cultural history ... so you can never be sure (creating one more thing for his opponents to think about)
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Based on?


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patterson_hood said:
Cav does not need a team to do all the work. HTC did that because it pretty much guaranteed wins, but that doesn't mean they needed to. Of course ther teams will work to bring back the break.

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Or Greenedge with no partner sponsor and a team loaded with sprinters don't bother chasing a break because they aren't good enough to win. That'll go down well with potential sponsors and the Aussie public won't it?
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The Aussie public has little to no interest in GreenEdge or cycling. Only Australian cycling enthusiasts have an interest in GE. If you know anything about Australian sporting culture, cycling is the new soccer, a "joke" sport that real men don't participate in, only gays* take part in.

*Not trying to say anything here, it's more a reflection of Australian society that's slowlllyyyy changing.
 
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Well I wonder if they all assumed like us that it was signed and sealed months ago and didnt leave room in their teams or budgets?

Oh well, get it made public and stop messing.

Good luck to the lad & Sky.

Sky have a good team emerging for next season thats for sure!
 
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Sky doing a football like transfer saga, what a surprise.:rolleyes:

How much back pages space are they getting in the UK? Trying to milk that could seriously slow things down.
 
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Tei6chai

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Richeypen said:
Based on?.
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At the start of pretty much every season that I've followed him (since track days) Cav has published one or two season goals.

When he reaches a particular goal (e.g. MSR) I can't remember him ever including a repeat among his goals for the following season, but when he fails to achieve a stated goal in the original target season he seems to come back with more determination for the second/third attempt (e.g. TdF Green).
 
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The idea that Sky are milking it for loads of British column inches is a funny one. Even if he does sign I highly doubt it'll make back pages.
 
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Tei6chai

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MartinGT said:
Its football, Rugby Yawnion and Cricket that get the back pages here!
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But mostly just football during the football season.

Even the Yawnionists need a truly terrible/great day in a major competition to make it on to the back page of a tabloid.
 
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briztoon said:
The Aussie public has little to no interest in GreenEdge or cycling. Only Australian cycling enthusiasts have an interest in GE. If you know anything about Australian sporting culture, cycling is the new soccer, a "joke" sport that real men don't participate in, only gays* take part in.

*Not trying to say anything here, it's more a reflection of Australian society that's slowlllyyyy changing.
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I always thought Aussies liked winners, no matter what the sport?
 
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