The Chris Squared Thread

[red_flanders]

Froome does it now for 3 years in a row in the best sporting age (26-28), while Horner did shine at age 38 out of nowhere (TdF), age 40 (at the no testing ToC-Joke), and age 42 in the Vuelta. What did he do his first 37 years on the planet???

As said, a night/day difference.

Not sure why a the venom against Horner but you appear to be misinformed about his palmares. Or just evaluating them poorly. Or something else.

 

[the sceptic]

Foxxy using the same arguments to prove Horner is doping that he used to prove Badzilla was clean is pretty funny though

 

[ChewbaccaD]

B/c Froome and Horner are night/day difference. There is nothing close comparable...

Sure there is, they're both freaking jokes. Only the blind cannot see the similarity.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Not sure why a the venom against Horner but you appear to be misinformed about his palmares. Or just evaluating them poorly. Or something else.

1997 [Frankreich] 2e in Lorient, Frankreich
1997 [Vereinigte Staaten] 3e in Thrift Drug Classic, Vereinigte Staaten
1997 [Vereinigte Staaten] 2e in Nevada City Classic, Vereinigte Staaten
1997 [Frankreich] 3e in GP Ouest France, Frankreich
1999 [Frankreich] 2e in 8. Etappe Circuit de Lorraine, Hayange (Lorraine), Frankreich

That´s it in his first europe stint at age 26-28. Nothing, really nothing... then no new contract offered (understandable).... After coming back to europe he signed with highly suspicious teams like Saunier, Astana and Radioshack... Sorry his story is not believable. Not normal to say in his clone (Armstrong) words.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Sure there is, they're both freaking jokes. Only the blind cannot see the similarity.

As i said before, Walsh and I are stupid...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Not sure why a the venom against Horner but you appear to be misinformed about his palmares. Or just evaluating them poorly. Or something else.

I think he probably just knows very little about cycling. I find that's common among Froome defenders.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

1997 [Frankreich] 2e in Lorient, Frankreich
1997 [Vereinigte Staaten] 3e in Thrift Drug Classic, Vereinigte Staaten
1997 [Vereinigte Staaten] 2e in Nevada City Classic, Vereinigte Staaten
1997 [Frankreich] 3e in GP Ouest France, Frankreich
1999 [Frankreich] 2e in 8. Etappe Circuit de Lorraine, Hayange (Lorraine), Frankreich

That´s it in his first europe stint at age 26-28. Nothing, really nothing... then no new contract offered (understandable).... After coming back to europe he signed with highly suspicious teams like Saunier, Astana and Radioshack... Sorry his story is not believable. Not normal to say in his clone (Armstrong) words.

The dude dominated the US scene...which is something Froomedog cannot say about South Africa...or Kenya, or pretty much anywhere else until this sudden and unexplained miracle Badzilla form.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Foxxy using the same arguments to prove Horner is doping that he used to prove Badzilla was clean is pretty funny though

Sceptic you repeat the same lie all the time... i never said Froome is clean. I said i don´t know, his story is (to some extent) believable to me. OTOH, Horners career path smells big time doping right into my nose...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

As i said before, Walsh and I are stupid...

If I don't argue with you about that, will that get me an infraction from the moderators?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The dude dominated the US scene...which is something Froomedog cannot say about South Africa...or Kenya, or pretty much anywhere else until this sudden and unexplained miracle Badzilla form.

Maybe b/c he hadn´t a whole decade to show results like Horner in the "2nd/3rd market". Simply b/c he moved to europe at a young age and did not fail like Horner did in his first stint?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Maybe b/c he hadn´t a whole decade to show results like Horner in the "2nd/3rd market". Simply b/c he moved to europe at a young age and did not fail like Horner did in his first stint?

South Africa and Kenya are more like the 4th/7th market, and if you're suggesting that his 5th Place in the 2009 Commonwealth TT is indicative of anything but mediocrity, you really are mystifyingly...well, you said it.

EDIT: Also note that if you knew anything about Horner, you'd know that much of his problem lay with his difficult personality and the dearth of opportunities he was given in Europe because of that. If Armstrong had given him a shot earlier in his career (which a talent like him certainly warranted and he didn't get because he made some suggestions about Lance's enhancements), most of your argument would be clearly erroneous to everyone rather than obviously erroneous to anyone who knows a bit about the history of cycling.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

South Africa and Kenya are more like the 4th/7th market, and if you're suggesting that his 5th Place in the 2009 Commonwealth TT is indicative of anything but mediocrity, you really are mystifyingly...well, you said it.

EDIT: Also note that if you knew anything about Horner, you'd know that much of his problem lay with his difficult personality and the dearth of opportunities he was given in Europe because of that. If Armstrong had given him a shot earlier in his career (which a talent like him certainly warranted and he didn't get because he made some suggestions about Lance's enhancements), most of your argument would be clearly erroneous to everyone rather than obviously erroneous to anyone who knows a bit about the history of cycling.

and there we go in circles...anyway, I just don´t understand that you defend the most obvious doper (high aged Horner), and the same time doubt many others. It´s not logical at all. I am truly shocked.

 

[Johnny Rotten]

Just the numbers!

Well he has only ever finished 7 grand tours of the 10 he has started.

His best was 9th in the 2010 tour and worst to date was 61st in the 2006 tour and that makes his average placing 25.6th !

Now at 40+ years old, post injury, and big layoff from racing he returns and is blazing up the Vuelta and sitting in 2nd place, the things that make you go hmmmm???

No doubt he has won races in his career but all of a sudden he turns into a grand tour contender overnight? Again the things that make you go hmmmm???

Really how stupid do they think people are, unbelievable! Wait Horner has never failed a test either!!!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

and there we go in circles...anyway, I just don´t understand that you defend the most obvious doper (high aged Horner), and the same time doubt many others. It´s not logical at all. I am truly shocked.

Nice troll. I'm not defending Horner, I'm pointing out the blindingly obvious fact that anyone who defends Froome and slams Horner is...well, you said it best.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Well he has only ever finished 7 grand tours of the 10 he has started.

His best was 9th in the 2010 tour and worst to date was 61st in the 2006 tour and that makes his average placing 25.6th !

Now at 40+ years old, post injury, and big layoff from racing he returns and is blazing up the Vuelta and sitting in 2nd place, the things that make you go hmmmm???

No doubt he has won races in his career but all of a sudden he turns into a grand tour contender overnight? Again the things that make you go hmmmm???

Really how stupid do they think people are, unbelievable! Wait Horner has never failed a test either!!!

All of this I agree with.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Nice troll. I'm not defending Horner, I'm pointing out the blindingly obvious fact that anyone who defends Froome and slams Horner is...well, you said it best.

OK, i agree... At least i am in the same camp as Walsh. Proud member of the idiotic 12.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

OK, i agree... At least i am in the same camp as Walsh. Proud member of the idiotic 12.

Well, Walsh is a "journalist" who is really a PR person in disguise unless you're talking about an American...and then he puts his "journalist" hat on...so he is much more odious...lets call him an Atomic Jockstrap Sniffer...and there is nothing more loathsome than a "journalist" turned fanboy.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Usually we can discuss it.



I don't have a quandry. It is funny watching Downtown Foxy Brown, believer in Froome, complain that Horner is the most ridiculous sports performance ever. It is also comical how the usual suspects who defend Froome have not come to the defense of Horner. In fact they don't dare to even post for fear of exposing their hypocrisy. Then there are the UK cycling forums, like the muppet show over at Bike Radar...

Well of course they don't defend Horner he is one of those dirty American dopers, while Froome is an (honorary) Brit and everyone knows they don't dope. It's not sporting, is it.

 

[skidmark]

Why you might ask? Because the mods in their infinite wisdom are intent on making it impossible to discuss the parallels between Froome and Horner, point out the hilarity of those who complain about Horner but defend Froome (or vice versa), and what the performance of the two implies about the cleanliness (or lack thereof) of the sport.

Oh, yeah. Discussion of wind conditions during climbs should also be okay in this thread since mods have turned apoplectic over people asking what the wind was like in the Vuelta in the Horner thread.

There. Now everyone can discuss what everyone wants to discuss without being off-topic.

Careful, if you make too many threads like this, the topic will cease to be Horner or Froome or both and we're just going to have a 'BroDeal makes allusions towards mods being too uptight' megathread and all other discussion will be shut down and directed towards that. Although the irony would at least be funny.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

B/c Froome and Horner are night/day difference. There is nothing close comparable...

Agreed. Horner has the palmares of a climber. Froome is nothing but a fraud designed to appeal to desperately stupid British "fans".

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

It seems that the Yanks are here en masse defending Horner and the only person laying into Horner is someone from Germany who says they are undecided about Froome.

Nice try with trying to divert all the Horner attention to the 'stupid British "fans" though'.

 

[BroDeal]

It seems that the Yanks are here en masse defending Horner and the only person laying into Horner is someone from Germany who says they are undecided about Froome.

Nice try with trying to divert all the Horner attention to the 'stupid British "fans" though'.

It seems that you don't get it.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

It seems that you don't get it.

I think I do. You started this thread as a way to compare Froome to Horner and show that you can't, with any credibility, defend one and condone the other. However, it has turned into Yanks defending Horner because he, like Armstrong, 'always had talent'. Few people on this board defend Froome much as you try to push everyone to think otherwise.

But carry on... it is funny to read. USA, USA, USA, etc...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I think I do. You started this thread as a way to compare Froome to Horner and show that you can't, with any credibility, defend one and condone the other. However, it has turned into Yanks defending Horner because he, like Armstrong, 'always had talent'. Few people on this board defend Froome much as you try to push everyone to think otherwise.

But carry on... it is funny to read. USA, USA, USA, etc...

Who are the "Yanks defending Horner"? Because I'm neither a Yank nor "defending Horner". BroDeal's right. You don't get it at all.

Nice Sky avatar though. Yawn.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Who are the "Yanks defending Horner"? Because I'm neither a Yank nor "defending Horner". BroDeal's right. You don't get it at all.

Visit the Horner thread and read for yourself. And the 'always had talent' is defending when it is Froome but not when it refers to Horner. Ok, I did not realise it was rider specific. Please carry on....

Nice Sky avatar though. Yawn.

Thanks. Yes, I like it.