The Dog Thread

[CXXC]

Oops! I managed to get my own dogs name wrong in translation, I guess because it's a name I had never heard before . Correct spelling is Odie...

Enjoyed today with him despite rain , he's certainly got lots of energy , 3 good walks today incl. jogging and he still wants to play ball!

He seems well socialised not reacting to dogs that growled at him but twice walkers with castrated male dogs asked me to keep my distance because they don't react well to intact dogs which Odie is, This puzzled me is this expected behaviour?

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Oops! I managed to get my own dogs name wrong in translation, I guess because it's a name I had never heard before . Correct spelling is Odie...

Enjoyed today with him despite rain , he's certainly got lots of energy , 3 good walks today incl. jogging and he still wants to play ball!

He seems well socialised not reacting to dogs that growled at him but twice walkers with castrated male dogs asked me to keep my distance because they don't react well to intact dogs which Odie is, This puzzled me is this expected behaviour?

I think general consensus has it that unfixed male dogs tend to be a bit more aggressive, which might be why the people you had encountered with fixed male dogs might have been cautious of Odie. Do you plan on getting Odie fixed if he's to stay with you permanently?

My dog Tandy is female, she's a rescue, and she's definitely fixed. And I have an opinion on dogs getting fixed in general - unless you plan on breeding them please definitely do!

 

[CXXC]

Do you plan on getting Odie fixed if he's to stay with you permanently?

My dog Tandy is female, she's a rescue, and she's definitely fixed. And I have an opinion on dogs getting fixed in general - unless you plan on breeding them please definitely do!

Thanks! I understand consensus to have female dogs spayed reducing possible conditions these dogs face in later life.

I'm less sure about male dogs, my thought would be to have them castrated young to prevent behavioural issues becoming established. Odie seems so well behaved it seems a shame to have him done because of other dogs reaction to him however if it becomes a serious issue I would have him castrated.

Today I again met the dogs I mentioned , first woman had her 2 dogs + her friend with her , all 3 dogs growled at Odie who did not react. Fortunately the other dog walkers always have their dogs on a leader and moved off the path letting me and Odie pass. 2nd dogwalker stated that her dog will be better once he gets used to a new dog and today both dogs interacted well.

My plan is to care for Odie through the rest of his life. Luckily he is a really loveable dog if a little demanding .After long walks he is still trying to get lazy 'ol me to play!

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Thanks! I understand consensus to have female dogs spayed reducing possible conditions these dogs face in later life.

I'm less sure about male dogs, my thought would be to have them castrated young to prevent behavioural issues becoming established. Odie seems so well behaved it seems a shame to have him done because of other dogs reaction to him however if it becomes a serious issue I would have him castrated.

Today I again met the dogs I mentioned , first woman had her 2 dogs + her friend with her , all 3 dogs growled at Odie who did not react. Fortunately the other dog walkers always have their dogs on a leader and moved off the path letting me and Odie pass. 2nd dogwalker stated that her dog will be better once he gets used to a new dog and today both dogs interacted well.

My plan is to care for Odie through the rest of his life. Luckily he is a really loveable dog if a little demanding .After long walks he is still trying to get lazy 'ol me to play!

In the human world do you also think it's all up to the female to get her tubes tied or take the Pill or whatever, and the male has to do nothing even though it takes two to tango?

Nothing against Odie, btw., it's not his fault his humans haven't fixed him yet.

 

[jmdirt]

Thanks! I understand consensus to have female dogs spayed reducing possible conditions these dogs face in later life.

I'm less sure about male dogs, my thought would be to have them castrated young to prevent behavioural issues becoming established. Odie seems so well behaved it seems a shame to have him done because of other dogs reaction to him however if it becomes a serious issue I would have him castrated.

Today I again met the dogs I mentioned , first woman had her 2 dogs + her friend with her , all 3 dogs growled at Odie who did not react. Fortunately the other dog walkers always have their dogs on a leader and moved off the path letting me and Odie pass. 2nd dogwalker stated that her dog will be better once he gets used to a new dog and today both dogs interacted well.

My plan is to care for Odie through the rest of his life. Luckily he is a really loveable dog if a little demanding .After long walks he is still trying to get lazy 'ol me to play!

If you are less sure about gonad removal ask your vet.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

If you are less sure about fixing him now ask your vet.

I read that with the large breeds you can wait a bit longer until they are fully grown and their bone structure is mature, but yes, definitely speak to the vet! (Unless the dog has some illnesses it's evidently almost never too late.)

 

[CXXC]

In the human world do you also think it's all up to the female to get her tubes tied or take the Pill or whatever, and the male has to do nothing even though it takes two to tango?

Nothing against Odie, btw., it's not his fault his humans haven't fixed him yet.

My response was thinking about what is good for Ondie's health , his behaviour interacting with other dogs so far has been good , even if was not at his age I wonder how effective it would be in modifying behaviour?

Birth control was never considered or mentioned,

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Birth control was never considered or mentioned,

Not sure my parents had ever discussed birth control either, so here I am in this world...

Speak to the vet!

 

[kingjr]

If you are less sure about fixing him now ask your vet.

Castration is called "fixing" in the pet world?

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Castration is called "fixing" in the pet world?

It's a US thing, I suppose, don't know about other parts of the world.

Speaking of fixing, evidently they can temporarily chemically castrate dogs these days, so that might be an option for Odie if @CXXC isn't ready for the big, permanent snip. Might just give him an idea how Odie would behave without a regular amount of testosterone.

 

[jmdirt]

My response was thinking about what is good for Ondie's health , his behaviour interacting with other dogs so far has been good , even if was not at his age I wonder how effective it would be in modifying behaviour?

Birth control was never considered or mentioned,

Birth control should be considered though.

IMO, unless you are a breeder there is no reason to have 'whole' pets. I still suggest that you speak to your vet, but I have never had health issues with my pets (all had their gonads removed) that were related to their gonad status.

 

[jmdirt]

Castration is called "fixing" in the pet world?

castration, sterilization, neutering, spaying, altering, fixing...
Gonad removal

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Birth control should be considered though.

IMO, unless you are a breeder there is no reason to have 'whole' pets. I still suggest that you speak to your vet, but I have never had health issues with my fixed pets that were related to their gonad status.

Agreed! Most of us in this thread own a rescue (which Odie is in a way too), there are just too many unwanted and homeless pets that just visiting a shelter would bring you to tears.

I do think @CXXC is doing a wonderful thing by taking Odie in and I applaud him, but I will occasionally ask him if Odie still has his balls.

 

[CXXC]

Firstly thanks for everyone's input Odie is new to myself , he is the most placid non aggressive dog so there is no hurry to take action. He will not be mounting other dogs . On rambles he doesn't stray.
In time I will be visiting the vets for Odie's boosters then I will discuss the merits of castration. The issue mentioned was not even with Odie but other dogs being aggressive towards him which the owners attributed to Odie still
being complete.

On a lighter note I compiled a score chart for Odie-
Overall loveabilty 10 , he just seeks fuss/play.
Eagerness to please 9,it's as though all Ondie hopes to hear is 'good boy!'
On the lead 5, Odie is not used to walking on the lead , he pulls continually, on a very steep bank he pulled me over in eagerness to reach other dogs, I need to teach him to follow me the same way round posts etc.
Off the lead 9, this is what Odie is used to, excellent recall, stops upon command roadside etc
Socialisation 8, Odie greets other dogs well and doesn't react to their growls, he has once chased a running dog
Greed 4,Odie really is greedy and drools whenever he sees anything tasty.
Patience 6,Odie will charge out of my homes door with no thought to me getting through, he dislikes me not responding instantly to his demands.

Some negative points will easily be addressed I have to learn to be a good dog owner , assertive and clear and concise so Odie knows his boundaries.

 

[kingjr]

castration, sterilization, neutering, spaying, altering, fixing...

I don't understand that response. My question went more in the direction of whether cutting off an animal's balls without their consent is considered repairing some sort of mistake, for their own benefit.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Firstly thanks for everyone's input Odie is new to myself , he is the most placid non aggressive dog so there is no hurry to take action. He will not be mounting other dogs . On rambles he doesn't stray.
In time I will be visiting the vets for Odie's boosters then I will discuss the merits of castration. The issue mentioned was not even with Odie but other dogs being aggressive towards him which the owners attributed to Odie still
being complete.

On a lighter note I compiled a score chart for Odie-
Overall loveabilty 10 , he just seeks fuss/play.
Eagerness to please 9,it's as though all Ondie hopes to hear is 'good boy!'
On the lead 5, Odie is not used to walking on the lead , he pulls continually, on a very steep bank he pulled me over in eagerness to reach other dogs, I need to teach him to follow me the same way round posts etc.
Off the lead 9, this is what Odie is used to, excellent recall, stops upon command roadside etc
Socialisation 8, Odie greets other dogs well and doesn't react to their growls, he has once chased a running dog
Greed 4,Odie really is greedy and drools whenever he sees anything tasty.
Patience 6,Odie will charge out of my homes door with no thought to me getting through, he dislikes me not responding instantly to his demands.

Some negative points will easily be addressed I have to learn to be a good dog owner , assertive and clear and concise so Odie knows his boundaries.

That's great news, you appear quite active yourself, so you two are a perfect match! And you're right, with enough treats and consistency Odie can learn how to perfect certain commands.

Except for sit Tandy was completely untrained, but she's such a clever dog she learned how to shake, down, stay, fetch quite easily, and she learned how to walk on a lead, but that took some effort because initially she did not want to go out on the street at all. Maybe it's because that is where they had found her before I adopted her (along with the many nicknames I have for her "Tandy from the Block" is one of them), she was absolutely terrified. But eventually she learned we'll be going back home once we're done with our walk and I won't be leaving her out there alone like her prior owners evidently did. She's learned how to socialize with neighborhood dogs and now she actually pulls and enjoys going for walks... the pulling is a bit of an issue because I'm old and arthritic and I honestly can't walk any faster! (I'd actually love to run with her, but alas.) Fortunately she's small, so she can't pull me up a hill like Odie could.

Anyhoo, good to hear you and Odie are getting on so well, did you know him fairly well before you took him in?

 

[jmdirt]

I don't understand that response. My question went more in the direction of whether cutting off an animal's balls without their consent is considered repairing some sort of mistake, for their own benefit.

I guess I didn't understand your question. I though that you had a semantical question so I offered several other words used interchangeably that all mean gonad removal.

You assumed fixing to mean 'repairing', but that is not the definition of the word in this contexts.

I edited my posts above for clarity.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I guess I didn't understand your question. I though that you had a semantical question so I offered several other words used interchangeably that all mean gonad removal.

You assumed fixing to mean 'repairing', but that is not the definition of the word in this contexts.

I edited my posts above for clarity.

Fixed can be used in different ways, like a fixed mortgage rate. Saying a predetermined, unchangeable mortgage rate would be more precise, but fixed just flows better and everyone (or those who need to know) knows what it means. Why the world of finance started calling it fixed I do not know.

 

[jmdirt]

Fixed can be used in different ways, like a fixed mortgage rate. Saying a predetermined, unchangeable mortgage rate would be more precise, but fixed just flows better and everyone (or those who need to know) knows what it means.

The two most common definitions in my mind:
Fixed=stuck in place/not moving.
Fixed=game/race/fight/election that the winner is predetermined.
I sometimes jokingly refer to food/side dishes/ingredients as 'fixins'.

Actually, I'm not sure why I used fixed in my post above because I usually use the terms spay and neuter.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

The two most common definitions in my mind:
Fixed=stuck in place/not moving.
Fixed=game/race/fight/election that the winner is predetermined.
I sometimes jokingly refer to food/side dishes/ingredients as 'fixins'.

Actually, I'm not sure why I used fixed in my post above because I usually use the terms spay and neuter.

I used to get my pet reproductive altering terminology confused, so fixed just covers every possibility. All two of them.

All this talk about getting your pet altered makes me think of Bob Barker on The Price is Right, at the end of each show he'd say - "Help control the pet population, have your pets spayed or neutered!". Bless and RIP, Bob Barker.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egScPkeNkp0

 

[kingjr]

I guess I didn't understand your question. I though that you had a semantical question so I offered several other words used interchangeably that all mean gonad removal.

You assumed fixing to mean 'repairing', but that is not the definition of the word in this contexts.

I edited my posts above for clarity.

Understood, thanks! I've never had any pets myself, so I'm not familiar with the terminology.

 

[CXXC]

Why the world of finance started calling it fixed I do not know.

Fixed to ensure a nice healthy profit!

I liked Tandy from the block , great that you rescued her and provide a safe home, sad that you may no longer run when once you could.

I have been active today, jogging and walking far , 1st time I have seen Odie looking tired back home he crashed out. I heard about Odie from a mutual friend when I asked people about dogs,I met Odie for the 1st time Wed evening . During the break between Women's/Men's CX Today I squeezed in a quick jog around with Odie , back home there's a hand delivered letter giving details of a lurcher requiring rehoming signed 'from a mutual friend!' . I'm not sure who that was but someone else had heard of my interest.

On one walk I met a woman with a large castrated male Irish water spaniel who tried to bully Odie who squealed and ran away , so much for big balls! The spaniels owner whom I know well thought that her spaniel felt threatened by Odie because he saw Odie as being more dominant being 'complete' The lady had her spaniel castrated at 5 because people were sick of him trying to hump their dogs so much.

Today I had to leave Odie home alone for the 1st time as I required shopping , I hid anything of worth and shopped as quickly as possible just in case . Back Home all was well and Odie jumped for joy to see me as though I had been gone days! That reminded me of a joke 'How do you know who loves you the most , your dog or your wife? lock them both in the boot of your car , return after 24hrs and when you let them out see who's pleased to see you!.

 

[Oldman]

Thanks! I understand consensus to have female dogs spayed reducing possible conditions these dogs face in later life.

I'm less sure about male dogs, my thought would be to have them castrated young to prevent behavioural issues becoming established. Odie seems so well behaved it seems a shame to have him done because of other dogs reaction to him however if it becomes a serious issue I would have him castrated.

Today I again met the dogs I mentioned , first woman had her 2 dogs + her friend with her , all 3 dogs growled at Odie who did not react. Fortunately the other dog walkers always have their dogs on a leader and moved off the path letting me and Odie pass. 2nd dogwalker stated that her dog will be better once he gets used to a new dog and today both dogs interacted well.

My plan is to care for Odie through the rest of his life. Luckily he is a really loveable dog if a little demanding .After long walks he is still trying to get lazy 'ol me to play!

Living in a very dog friendly environment, the daily canine interactions have reinforced much of what you say. Most neutered male dogs are relatively fun and chill. Female dogs that are fixed behave very similarly but tend to jealous protective of those they rely/love.
We have a mellow Pyrenes/lab mix that was delightfully friendly on not aggressive despite the breed's reputation. She'd wander into our house, ignore our cat and go play. Enter into that dog's home came another female dog that was much smaller and very aggressive. Both are rescue dogs which is much the norm here. That terrier mix barked constantly and made attacking moves against male dogs passing their home. The normally friendly Pyrenes mix responded to that dog's aggressive move towards a small pug in the neutral street ; biting and injuring the pug and the neighbor kid who is 2 years old. 2 months later the small aggressive dog began posturing against a neighboring female lab in the lab's yard(who lacks anything but loving intention). Same aggressive response by the Pyrenes and another vet trip.
The owner is now walking both dogs on leashes, full time with no further incident. They no longer walk freely in the unfenced front yard. Fortunately all prior victims mended well but the Pyrenes owner has become a studied expert on dog behavior. She refers to the smaller dog as Devildog but feels the responsibility to continue care more cautiously. The neighbors have been very understanding to this point but tolerance is now at about zero strikes....

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Living in a very dog friendly environment, the daily canine interactions have reinforced much of what you say. Most neutered male dogs are relatively fun and chill. Female dogs that are fixed behave very similarly but tend to jealous protective of those they rely/love.
We have a mellow Pyrenes/lab mix that was delightfully friendly on not aggressive despite the breed's reputation. She'd wander into our house, ignore our cat and go play. Enter into that dog's home came another female dog that was much smaller and very aggressive. Both are rescue dogs which is much the norm here. That terrier mix barked constantly and made attacking moves against male dogs passing their home. The normally friendly Pyrenes mix responded to that dog's aggressive move towards a small pug in the neutral street ; biting and injuring the pug and the neighbor kid who is 2 years old. 2 months later the small aggressive dog began posturing against a neighboring female lab in the lab's yard(who lacks anything but loving intention). Same aggressive response by the Pyrenes and another vet trip.
The owner is now walking both dogs on leashes, full time with no further incident. They no longer walk freely in the unfenced front yard. Fortunately all prior victims mended well but the Pyrenes owner has become a studied expert on dog behavior. She refers to the smaller dog as Devildog but feels the responsibility to continue care more cautiously. The neighbors have been very understanding to this point but tolerance is now at about zero strikes....

It must be a very dog friendly neighborhood you live in indeed, once a kid (or even a neighbor's dog) gets injured by an aggressive dog that attacks and bites the aggressive dog is usually put down where I live!

 

[Oldman]

It must be a very dog friendly neighborhood you live in indeed, once a kid (or even a neighbor's dog) gets injured by an aggressive dog that attacks and bites the aggressive dog is usually put down where I live!

It is a very open neighborhood and the child was not bitten; but fell over when the dogs connected. Should have clarified that but it still has the same potential outcome for the aggressor dog. None were leashed.

That episode did place the Pyrennes dog owner on notice. I don't think she's ever trained a young dog before.