The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

[Cozy Beehive]

This is what I heard, I don't remember where though so take it however you want.

But the guy in the video also says "yesterday his number was 171....worked really well for him yesterday...haven't even cleaned it well yet" ...

So the video was taken the following day, not immediately after the race. . Not sure what is going on...

 

[la.margna]

Boonen also suspected to be cheating it seems...

 

[Fourier]

I don't see the carrot mechanism.

 

[Archibald]

@cozybeehive
that's not FC's bike - Breschel's had the red hoods. This was done to easily identify his bikes after the c*ck up at Flanders when he was given the wrong bike....

 

[boris&co]

It was only later this evening that I was able to track down the source of the 1450W watts that FC displayed at Flanders. It was a Youtube video where one of his team reps show data from the SRM.

Great numbers no doubt. Struck me a bit odd having a conversation with someone else on Twitter that if he swapped bikes twice during the race, one of which I know for sure happened with 58K to go, how does his computer display 6 hrs 22 mins for a 6 hr 25 min race?

Surely he didn't take his SRM with him?

Two explanations :

1) He used that bike for very less, then jumped onto the old bike he was using. But does anyone have the breakdown of when exactly he changed bikes? That should clear things for my understanding.

2) The last bike he swapped into was already displaying time from riding before the race, perhaps previously from that week?

I watched this on Eurosport. The first bike change was during the commercial break, the second immediately after, so 3 minutes is about right.

As I remember it, the sequence of events was this;

1) Cancellara bike change.
2) Cancellara rides along amongst the team cars whilst mechanic repairs bike (return from commercial break here).
3) Cancellara changes back to original bike.

boris

 

[la.margna]

i was wondering why Canceralla changed bikes in the ronde before the big hills

Video comment posted: "Does this look like a 50/34 compact? Any expert views? That would explain the bike change and the high frequency strategy for the Kappelmuur... like Ferrari and Lance always said, it's all about high frequency! ;-)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu88AdxIyPo

Probably he really changed bikes to go for the high frequency strategy in the Muur's... any expert here to verify this?

 

[chrismartinol]

I watched this on Eurosport. The first bike change was during the commercial break, the second immediately after, so 3 minutes is about right.

As I remember it, the sequence of events was this;

1) Cancellara bike change.
2) Cancellara rides along amongst the team cars whilst mechanic repairs bike (return from commercial break here).
3) Cancellara changes back to original bike.

boris

And the first bike change at the beginning of the race???
You forget this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4lq5lewHrU (4'45" about)

 

[theswordsman]

Big time

"We just need to be aware of what is technically possible these days," said Boardman, who oversees the development of Team GB bikes.

"I sat at a meeting with the UCI last year and drew on the blackboard exactly how this might work. I showed them how some the sophisticated boosting technology now available, mainly from F1 teams, that can get a kilowatt out of a single AAA battery.

"And don't forget electrically operated gears are legal these days so there is already a power source on many bikes. I think it would be fair to say there was a stunned silence after I said my piece.

"It would be very little trouble adapting a power source to give you maybe a couple of hundred watts for 20 minutes or so, which would basically gives you 40 per cent more power through the pedals in a time trial say.

"You could reduce that power and spread it over a longer period of time or go for one "hit".

"Its potential is obvious. You could use it when you are trying to establish a break or on the crux of the last climb of the day or maybe in the latter stages of a long time-trial.

"There is not a shred of doubt that the technology exists to cheat in this way and that a rider could get a definite return from such cheating. With little buttons controlling the gears these days I suspect it would also be pretty simple to disguise.

"As for detection, the extra weight would be almost negligible as most road racing bikes come in well underweight anyway when scrutinised so you would struggle to identify a cheat that way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ut-possibility-of-bike-doping-a-year-ago.html

 

[Cozy Beehive]

@cozybeehive
that's not FC's bike - Breschel's had the red hoods. This was done to easily identify his bikes after the c*ck up at Flanders when he was given the wrong bike....

I think I'm more confused than I began. If this is not FC's bike, why is it that Jered Gruber posted pictures of itlike so and call the story "debunked"? Wonder what the truth is.

 

[Maxiton]

I think I'm more confused than I began. If this is not FC's bike, why is it that Jered Gruber posted pictures of itlike so and call the story "debunked"? Wonder what the truth is.

Ruh-Roh . . .

 

[la.margna]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ut-possibility-of-bike-doping-a-year-ago.html

"in a YouTube video posted by former Italian racer Davide Cassani, the Italian appeared to point the finger at Fabian Cancellara", wow the Telegraph now even writes Cassani posted the link to youtube and pointed the finger at Cance... a complete lie. incredible low quality of journalism.

Let's hope that Boardman's statements has more truth in it, which would, once again, confirm that there should definitely be no doubt that such e-doped bikes exist.

 

[la.margna]

@cozybeehive
that's not FC's bike - Breschel's had the red hoods. This was done to easily identify his bikes after the c*ck up at Flanders when he was given the wrong bike....

incorrect, the bike shown is the winning bike for Vlaanderen not Roubaix and it is the one FC arrived at the finish line of Ronde van Vlaanderen : http://www.steephill.tv/2010/tour-of-flanders/finish-PIC100667377-640.jpg

 

[saganftw]

we have already photofinish,now all we need is rontgen near the finishing line

 

[marinoni]

Right you are Astro

Ruh-Roh . . .

I mentioned in another thread that pro cycling has become a laughing-stock in the mainstream sports media. Part of that opinion was based on the Landis story reaction on the Canadian version of ESPN's The Reporters. For those not familiar, this program involves 4 of the top sports journos in the country hashing out the big stories of the week. Their reaction was, fairly or unfairly, this sport is a joke, no one can take it seriously and we're done with it. If they got hold of this gem, I think the segment would just consist of them rolling around on the floor, laughing hysterically.

 

[theswordsman]

I'm calling it quits on the topic so I can clear my head and enjoy Criterium du Dauphine. I only ever saw it one place, but the problem with Breschel getting the wrong bike had to do with the super-slick exchange where the mechanic was waiting ahead for Fabian to make the bike change that impressed everyone. That car was behind Cancellara, then got off the course, sped along other roads (like the fans do to watch the race at as many points as possible) then turned back on and waited for Cancellara on the bike change. Breschel got the wrong bike because the car with his was out driving around to meet Cancellara. He probably wouldn't have known that at the time of his rant

I'll just remind anyone who reads things about the size of seat tubes, etc., that Specialized makes a special model called the Roubaix that's designed for cobbles. It's longer and has other differences from the Tarmac. Cancellara rode that at Paris-Roubaix. Contador practiced on it when he did Tour recon, and will use it on the big pave stage.

I'm done with the topic, but will post any future links I happen across.

 

[blackcat]

"in a YouTube video posted by former Italian racer Davide Cassani, the Italian appeared to point the finger at Fabian Cancellara", wow the Telegraph now even writes Cassani posted the link to youtube and pointed the finger at Cance... a complete lie. incredible low quality of journalism.

Let's hope that Boardman's statements has more truth in it, which would, once again, confirm that there should definitely be no doubt that such e-doped bikes exist.

think your comprehension may need a little work, no?

 

[la.margna]

think your comprehension may need a little work, no?

yeah, you know it's not my mother tongue, can happen.

But "a YouTube video posted by former Italian racer Davide Cassani" is definitely wrong...

and honestly... in Cassani's tv appearance there's really nothing at all and nothing in his words that points at Cancellara (yes, I speak italian).

And btw, what is Cancellara against this e-rocket: http://www.myvideo.ch/watch/4793265/e_Rocket

 

[offbyone]

There is a pretty easy way to test for this. They could just scan bikes through xray machines.

I am curious if this controversy will lead to a push to end electronic shifting.

 

[ecable]

20 minutes at 200 watts = 240,000 joules, from a single AAA battery? That is 50 times the energy density in the AAA battery. In a field where advances are measured in single digit percentages, 50-times strains the imagination.

 

[Anonymous]

This has a simple solution... do like F1 or other motorsports. Inspect and take apart the bikes of the winners and maybe some random (or targeted) riders. All you'd have to really do is pull off the crank and inspect the BB. And pulling a crank is super simple.

Just have an offical handler accompany the team handler at the finish line and as soon as the rider comes in escort him and the bike directly to a secured holding area where the inspection can take place immediately, maybe next to the dope testing tent.

All they'd have to do is pull the seat and crank off and peak down the downtube and maybe drop a probe down the seat tube and see if there is any obstruction.

And if there were any bike changes they can also inspect those "changed" bikes as well.

 

[offbyone]

This has a simple solution... do like F1 or other motorsports. Inspect and take apart the bikes of the winners and maybe some random (or targeted) riders. All you'd have to really do is pull off the crank and inspect the BB. And pulling a crank is super simple.

Just have an offical handler accompany the team handler at the finish line and as soon as the rider comes in escort him and the bike directly to a secured holding area where the inspection can take place immediately, maybe next to the dope testing tent.

All they'd have to do is pull the seat and crank off and peak down the downtube and maybe drop a probe down the seat tube and see if there is any obstruction.

And if there were any bike changes they can also inspect those "changed" bikes as well.

You don't need to take bikes apart, just run them through an xray machine.

 

[Anonymous]

You don't need to take bikes apart, just run them through an xray machine.

I'm thinking it would be cheaper to have a WADA/UCI mechanic than a portable xray machine.

 

[Archibald]

I think I'm more confused than I began. If this is not FC's bike, why is it that Jered Gruber posted pictures of itlike so and call the story "debunked"? Wonder what the truth is.

well perpare for more confusion - Spartacus' race number for P-R was 051, so why does Gruber's photo of the specialized bike with red hoods have number 171 on it?? See the CN photo from the event below and you'll see major differences. Also, if you look at the seat stays and forks, they're not the Roubaix model the Saxo riders used at P-R...

 

[Cozy Beehive]

well perpare for more confusion - Spartacus' race number for P-R was 051, so why does Gruber's photo of the specialized bike with red hoods have number 171 on it?? See the CN photo from the event below and you'll see major differences. Also, if you look at the seat stays and forks, they're not the Roubaix model the Saxo riders used at P-R...

Thats not really confusing. 171 was not from PR, it was from Flanders.

 

[offbyone]

I'm thinking it would be cheaper to have a WADA/UCI mechanic than a portable xray machine.

But the difference is the work flow. They could just roll a bike through the xray machine a minute before a race and it wouldn't cause any complications for the rider. On the other hand riders would be fairly apprehensive to let a random mechanic take their bike apart on race day. Plus in the time they pulled and reinstalled a bottom bracket they could xray 10 bikes. If Wada/UCI can't afford a couple xray machines they could always call up lance and ask for a donation