The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

[RigelKent]

It's too fun. I went back on a personal vow of not posting because of it.

I can understand people defending FC, I can understand the back and forth over the Flanders and P-R accelerations. What I don't get is the people who refuse to believe that the technology exists and thus the whole concept is X-Files. This is really simple technology, there are commercial versions, and only tweaks to electronic speed controllers and battery packs are required to make it work for a pro. And it can be done for less the a kilo of weight.

 

[sida-mot]

I laughed at it at first. Then I actually saw the clip with subtitles and slomos of Roubaix and Vlaanderen. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE&feature=player_embedded#! ). I am still not really believing it but I am actually not that sure anymore. It looks like he might be touching something. But then again if you look for conspiracies you will see them everywhere.

 

[laura.weislo]

To be clear, the UCI is NOT investigating Cancellara, they are merely discussing the possibility that this mechanism could be used. I presume they'll come up with some way to detect it if they haven't already.

 

[RigelKent]

To be clear, the UCI is NOT investigating Cancellara, they are merely discussing the possibility that this mechanism could be used. I presume they'll come up with some way to detect it if they haven't already.

Detection would be very easy if you know what to look for. Industrial ultrasound is not that expensive, and it all comes down to making sure spots that should be hollow actually are.
A couple of magnets would make it easy to find motors on non-ferrous bikes. A motor has to have magnets.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4lq5lewHrU&feature=player_embedded

Case closed?

 

[Roadent]

Ahem, have a look atthis - I think this is a semi-deliberate distraction from the real doping issues...

 

[MacRoadie]

I'm just amazed that Specialized so readily jumped into the cheating arena with this bike.

I mean, how else could you get that system into a carbon fiber frame other than by molding it in at the time of original construction? Even if you cut the frame open the motor would have to be fully bonded to the tube to insure the torque turned the cracks and didn't simply spin the motor in the seat tube, right? And you're still left with a severed major frame element.

A perfectly matched carbon fiber repair of a major triangle tube without a single flaw and perfectly matched paint and decals. If memory serves me, there were plenty of the patented Euro low-angle closeups on the final run in to Roubaix...

Hmmm

 

[autologous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4lq5lewHrU&feature=player_embedded

Case closed?

accusations against cancellara may be fantasy, but this garbage video does nothing to prove anything.

case closed?
a bunch of meaningless questions set to atrocious music. Says a lot about your underlying facts when you need to turn it into a music video.

If cancellara had an e-bike, why didn't he win xxxxx ?

just like asking If Lance doped, why didn't he win the giro, why didn't he win the vuelta? Then taking those non-sequitur questions and suggesting they are proof Lance was clean.

Case closed? The only case that's closed as a result of that video might be that your IQ is about the same as Cancellara's HCT.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

accusations against cancellara may be fantasy, but this garbage video does nothing to prove anything.

case closed?
a bunch of meaningless questions set to atrocious music. Says a lot about your underlying facts when you need to turn it into a music video.

If cancellara had an e-bike, why didn't he win xxxxx ?

just like asking If Lance doped, why didn't he win the giro, why didn't he win the vuelta? Then taking those non-sequitur questions and suggesting they are proof Lance was clean.

Case closed? The only case that's closed as a result of that video might be that your IQ is about the same as Cancellara's HCT.

Yes, it was those totally irrelevant questions that I found interesting in that clip, you ****ing moron.

 

[la.margna]

accusations against cancellara may be fantasy, but this garbage video does nothing to prove anything.

case closed?
a bunch of meaningless questions set to atrocious music. Says a lot about your underlying facts when you need to turn it into a music video.

If cancellara had an e-bike, why didn't he win xxxxx ?

just like asking If Lance doped, why didn't he win the giro, why didn't he win the vuelta? Then taking those non-sequitur questions and suggesting they are proof Lance was clean.

Case closed? The only case that's closed as a result of that video might be that your IQ is about the same as Cancellara's HCT.

Thanks a lot for your substantial and appreciated contribution to this thread and the issue.

 

[Cozy Beehive]

FC's race winning bike posted by Jered Gruber, after the race. Any sign of a motor?

 

[CPAvelo]

FC's race winning bike posted by Jered Gruber, after the race. Any sign of a motor?


No, since FC was not on the bike during the photoshoot.

@Cozy Beehive: nice work at your blog on the analysis of FC attack. I would be interested to see a similar analysis of the effort TB was putting forth to catch back on.

 

[Cozy Beehive]

nice work at your blog on the analysis of FC attack. I would be interested to see a similar analysis of the effort TB was putting forth to catch back on.

Thank you. And sure..after I recover from this analysis.

 

[RigelKent]

The assumption that anything would have to be built into the bike is errant. Have any of you looked at the Gruber Assist device? While it is doubtful that is the device used, the concept is applicable. The motor is not axial to the bottom bracket, its axial to the seat tube. Two bevel gears are used to change the axis of rotation. Connecting the motor to the seatpost is enough to keep it in place.

Everything fits without modifications to the frame.

Again, I'm not saying Canc used one, or that any of the video shown is otherwise inexplicable. But it's a simple engineering exercise to put this concept into practice without any work on the frame. So photos of the outside of the bike mean nothing.

 

[krebs303]

Everything on the internets is true because the internet is seen by so many people. As more people peer review a document it becomes more accurate; so the internet is always approaching a state where nobody lies ever.

 

[RigelKent]

Everything on the internets is true because the internet is seen by so many people. As more people peer review a document it becomes more accurate; so the internet is always approaching a state where nobody lies ever.

Works for our political parties...

 

[dgduris]

Yeah, seems a strange description to me. When F1 or WRC teams get caught cheating you don't hear them say the cars were doped.

Which brings me to an interesting point. Let's assume for the purpose of this argument there was a motor in the bike, and Saxo Bank got caught.

Do you think the UCI would have the balls to hand out a ban to Saxo Bank like they have done to Toyota in WRC, and countless teams and managers in F1 over the years? I think not.

Yeah! But that comparison is unfair! Pro Cycling isn't nearly of the strength commercially as F1 or WRC. Does Pro Cycling have Bernie or (for better or worse) Max? Of course not. AND, in fact, therein is exactly what pro cycling is missing!

 

[Night Rider]

Yeah! But that comparison is unfair! Pro Cycling isn't nearly of the strength commercially as F1 or WRC. Does Pro Cycling have Bernie or (for better or worse) Max? Of course not. AND, in fact, therein is exactly what pro cycling is missing!

Pro Cycling has all the right ingredients to make it as marketable as WRC and commercially successful as the WRC has been over the last 15 years or more, before that rallying was a fringe sport and hardly seen on TV. The FIA and promoters got on the same page and had a vision to expand it and are succeeding. The UCI and the various event promoters only have themselves to blame that the sport hasn’t grown as much as it could; there is one huge event and then light years back to the next events and all bicker about the direction of the sport.

Like the guy said about NASCAR, I had firsthand experience of been shown the lengths a WRC team (15 years ago) went to hide illegal parts to make the cars go faster. Toyota getting caught quickly put a stop to that though as the penalty was massive. Like cyclist doping, they justified the cheating because everyone was doing it.

And someone else asked the question, would UCI have the balls to hand out a decent ban to the team? No way, they’re soft. If this was real and they did get caught, or any team got caught for something similar then the team should be banned for a year and the owners suspended from owing or managing teams for a couple of years. You could also liken the penalties to breaching the salary cap in NRL, etc.

 

[MacRoadie]

The assumption that anything would have to be built into the bike is errant. Have any of you looked at the Gruber Assist device? While it is doubtful that is the device used, the concept is applicable. The motor is not axial to the bottom bracket, its axial to the seat tube. Two bevel gears are used to change the axis of rotation. Connecting the motor to the seatpost is enough to keep it in place.

Everything fits without modifications to the frame.

Again, I'm not saying Canc used one, or that any of the video shown is otherwise inexplicable. But it's a simple engineering exercise to put this concept into practice without any work on the frame. So photos of the outside of the bike mean nothing.

Apparently, you've never seen inside a carbon fiber BB shell. It's nothing like a steel or aluminum lugged shell with a nice clean, perfectly round seat tube, down tube, and two chain stays welded or brazed to it.

There is no way ANYTHING, attached to the bottom of the seat post or otherwise can simply slide down a seat tube and into a carbon fiber shell without SIGNIFICANT modification.

There's a reason why there's no Gruber Assist available for carbon fiber frames (although it is apparently "in development").

No one is disputing that thje Gruber device is axial to the seat tube. The point is that it needs to be bonded to SOMETHING to prevent torque from simply rotating the device INSIDE the tube.

 

[Hitchey]

accusations against cancellara may be fantasy, but this garbage video does nothing to prove anything.

case closed?
a bunch of meaningless questions set to atrocious music. Says a lot about your underlying facts when you need to turn it into a music video.

If cancellara had an e-bike, why didn't he win xxxxx ?

just like asking If Lance doped, why didn't he win the giro, why didn't he win the vuelta? Then taking those non-sequitur questions and suggesting they are proof Lance was clean.

Case closed? The only case that's closed as a result of that video might be that your IQ is about the same as Cancellara's HCT.

You and your tylertwin buddy might want to practice snorting some wasabi and have some cow patty facials. It might assist with your ability to tolerate others with such lack of intelligence or deduction.

Very quick to insult with no sensible input from the emptiness between them' ears ya think?!

 

[RigelKent]

No one is disputing that thje Gruber device is axial to the seat tube. The point is that it needs to be bonded to SOMETHING to prevent torque from simply rotating the device INSIDE the tube.

One word. Epoxy.

 

[slowtwitch]

If cancellara had an e-bike, why didn't he win xxxxx ?

just like asking If Lance doped, why didn't he win the giro, why didn't he win the vuelta? Then taking those non-sequitur questions and suggesting they are proof Lance was clean.

Actually, those questions are entirely different. Mechanical doping seems allow a rider to go faster without added physical exertion. Doping of the other kind (especially to win another grand tour or two in the same year as the TDF) would require unbelievable amounts of strength and endurance, something the body can only handle so much of.

With one, FC would be able to coast to victory under the bike's own power supply.

With the other, Lance would be placing his body under an amazing amount of stress which would be impressive whether doped or not.

How are you trying to compare recharging a battery for the next classic to recovering from one grand tour to win the next?

 

[Hillavoider]

i was wondering why Canceralla changed bikes in the ronde before the big hills

 

[Cozy Beehive]

It was only later this evening that I was able to track down the source of the 1450W watts that FC displayed at Flanders. It was a Youtube video where one of his team reps show data from the SRM.

Great numbers no doubt. Struck me a bit odd having a conversation with someone else on Twitter that if he swapped bikes twice during the race, one of which I know for sure happened with 58K to go, how does his computer display 6 hrs 22 mins for a 6 hr 25 min race?

Surely he didn't take his SRM with him?

Two explanations :

1) He used that bike for very less, then jumped onto the old bike he was using. But does anyone have the breakdown of when exactly he changed bikes? That should clear things for my understanding.

2) The last bike he swapped into was already displaying time from riding before the race, perhaps previously from that week?

 

[Cerberus]

Two explanations :

1) He used that bike for very less, then jumped onto the old bike he was using. But does anyone have the breakdown of when exactly he changed bikes? That should clear things for my understanding.
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This is what I heard, I don't remember where though so take it however you want.