The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

[Benotti69]

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I still very strongly believe motor doping is a **** joke.

I don't doubt it would be technically possible, but I think it's ridiculous it could be used in the pro peloton.

If I'm wrong about that, I would honestly quit following this "sport".

to save you wasting anymore time on the sport, it is in use(see LeMond video), otherswise they wouldn't be testing for it would they

They dont want to catch anyone hence so few bikes actually tested. If it became public that bikes had motors in them, the sport would be dead, so UCI are really trying hard to not catch anyone motordoping.

 

[Cycle Chic]

so what happened to Portes bike when he tried to take his hands off the bars and ride with the team ?? that was well weird / odd....even Sean Kelly commented that a Porte was having difficulty riding no hands.

The front of the bike wobbled all over the place...watch it again the bike was swaying side to side.

And then Froome cant put on a jacket or top without stopping. Ok it was raining but no other rider stopped twice, may even have been 3 times to change attire.

Cant control the bike ?? could the motor be up front ?? and yeh - why have the motor on for the champs elysees - well it can get hectic and speed needed - which is what happened when froome got a mechanical twice.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

so what happened to Portes bike when he tried to take his hands off the bars and ride with the team ?? that was well weird / odd....even Sean Kelly commented that a Porte was having difficulty riding no hands.

The front of the bike wobbled all over the place...watch it again the bike was swaying side to side.

And then Froome cant put on a jacket or top without stopping. Ok it was raining but no other rider stopped twice, may even have been 3 times to change attire.

Cant control the bike ?? could the motor be up front ?? and yeh - why have the motor on for the champs elysees - well it can get hectic and speed needed - which is what happened when froome got a mechanical twice.

No. No the motor is not up the front. They wouldn't have a motor for the final stage now that they had won the Tour.

 

[Cycle Chic]

I explained the reason to use on champs - why not have it just in case - and who is checking bikes for motors on final stage ? no-one.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If you've ever ridden a bike, you'd know a slight binding in the headset causes the same issue.

There's no motor in the font of his bike, unless they invented cloaking devices as well.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

so what happened to Portes bike when he tried to take his hands off the bars and ride with the team ?? that was well weird / odd....even Sean Kelly commented that a Porte was having difficulty riding no hands.

At least he managed it this year, look at the equivalent picture from 2 years ago and he didn't even try to sit up.

 

[King Of Molehill]

Friend of mine the other day read about the UCI testing bikes for motors at the TDF and said, "the performances are that unbelievable that they have to test for motor's in their bikes (laughs), why aren't more people angry about that?"

The comment came the day after a spectator was shown spitting on Froome which made me think, is this the way everything is going? The sport is moving away from celebrating hardship, determination and achievement (on the part of all riders) to one that is becoming more about the personalities and PR of the teams.

If more and more spectators/fans are now assuming that most of the pro's dope to some degree then the reasons to watch surely must be less about performance and more about celebrity/personality/style? Are we starting to see the beginning of what may turn into something far uglier on the roadside if people start to gravitate towards loyalty to teams and individuals because they don't like the way the (insert nationality here) teams portray themselves? Cycling has got away with it for so long, having spectators allowed to be so close to the pro's while they compete. It's what makes the sport so amazing to watch at times. What if that all changes because of what's happening now, the disillusionment and decision to actively dislike someone because of their personality? If I were the UCI or ASO it's something I'd be really worried about right now.

 

[wendybnt]

so what happened to Portes bike when he tried to take his hands off the bars and ride with the team ?? that was well weird / odd....even Sean Kelly commented that a Porte was having difficulty riding no hands.

The front of the bike wobbled all over the place...watch it again the bike was swaying side to side.

And then Froome cant put on a jacket or top without stopping. Ok it was raining but no other rider stopped twice, may even have been 3 times to change attire.

Sky had already won the race on the road. The only thing that was going to stop that would be a freak accident. This is why you are incorrect on both your points. Why would you take any risks with a rain jacket or a motor when you've absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose?

 

[GJB123]

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LeMond a believer in hidden motors

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/07/hidden-motor-demonstration-with-greg-lemond/

No wonder UCI dont want to test lots of bikes........if the worlds media finds out there are motors in bikes, the sport is dead!!!!

Oh it is definitely possible. I was already convinced of that after a TV sports program maker here in the Netherlands used a motorized bike in his program to power up the "Muur van Geraardsbergen" together with and as quickly as a pro biker. I have no doubt that there will be pro riders using it. For me it's just that the Cancellara video and the Hesjedal video do not constitute definitive proof they used motorized bikes in that instance. They might have, but they just as well may not have used one. Same applies to Froome. He might have, but the evidence is inconclusive to me so far. Although with his last name it would be somewhat appropriate if he was using a motor in his bike.

 

[TheSpud]

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If you've ever ridden a bike, you'd know a slight binding in the headset causes the same issue.

There's no motor in the font of his bike, unless they invented cloaking devices as well.

In the 'font' of the bike - they've managed to conceal it in the Dogma letters? Now that is ingenious ...

 

[Handy Bendy Ghandi]

so what happened to Portes bike when he tried to take his hands off the bars and ride with the team ?? that was well weird / odd....even Sean Kelly commented that a Porte was having difficulty riding no hands.

The front of the bike wobbled all over the place...watch it again the bike was swaying side to side.

And then Froome cant put on a jacket or top without stopping. Ok it was raining but no other rider stopped twice, may even have been 3 times to change attire.

Cant control the bike ?? could the motor be up front ?? and yeh - why have the motor on for the champs elysees - well it can get hectic and speed needed - which is what happened when froome got a mechanical twice.

Oh, for the love of Jimi Hendrix's 6 fingered father !

 

[ray j willings]

No motor there, It looks like he's learning to ride a bike


Back on real stuff...Lemonds Vid hit's the spot for me. The UCI testing is a token gesture, they would never own up to a motor dope case if they found one.

But I am totally convinced its happened and maybe happening.

 

[Cycle Chic]

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AWESOME thanks for getting that up.

Watch Froomes bike it starts wavering as well. AND None of the others bikes even twitch.

 

[Catwhoorg]

They guy the other side of porte wobbles just a little, as he throws the two closest off balance a tad.


If it were me, I am so unbalanced I would have taken the lot of them down.

 

[Tyre Byter]

I can totally see this replacing traditional TTT

 

[TheSpud]

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AWESOME thanks for getting that up.

Watch Froomes bike it starts wavering as well. AND None of the others bikes even twitch.

It starts wavering as Porte is pulling on him - he's lucky he didnt take the lot out!

 

[TheSpud]

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I can totally see this replacing traditional TTT

Welcome to Stage 3 of this years Tour - its a new discipline this year, the no-handed team ride. 5km ridden in-line, arm-in-arm, with random watering of the road.

 

[B_Ugli]

There is a lot of people talking about battery powered motors.

In actual fact there is no reason why a spring assisted mechanism couldn't be incorporated in a bottom bracket. It coils a certain amount of revs (disengaged from the crank) and then releases torque (engaged to the crank) at a set point. When you think about it everything on a bike is spring assisted, brake levers, calipers front and rear mech. This could even be used to decrease the dead spot on a pedal rev in the same way as o-symetrics.

This adopts the block and tackle principle of using minimal load distributed over gearing to build force and then release it.

The other point is all this talk of batteries - bikes generate substantial natural power which is why in the Netherlands hub dymano's are used to power the bikes lights.

I am more inclined to believe bikes could have a spring assisted mechanism built into the actual bottom bracket than a battery powered motor.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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There is a lot of people talking about battery powered motors.

In actual fact there is no reason why a spring assisted mechanism couldn't be incorporated in a bottom bracket. It coils a certain amount of revs (disengaged from the crank) and then releases torque (engaged to the crank) at a set point. When you think about it everything on a bike is spring assisted, brake levers, calipers front and rear mech. This could even be used to decrease the dead spot on a pedal rev in the same way as o-symetrics.

This adopts the block and tackle principle of using minimal load distributed over gearing to build force and then release it.

The other point is all this talk of batteries - bikes generate substantial natural power which is why in the Netherlands hub dymano's are used to power the bikes lights.

I am more inclined to believe bikes could have a spring assisted mechanism built into the actual bottom bracket than a battery powered motor.

I don't see how it would work.

Are there any existing precdents?

You would have to attach the spring to the BB axle for the duration of the energy return, and those axles are thin - and hollow. Just don't see how you are going to reliably connect the two.

 

[B_Ugli]

Re: Re:

There is a lot of people talking about battery powered motors.

In actual fact there is no reason why a spring assisted mechanism couldn't be incorporated in a bottom bracket. It coils a certain amount of revs (disengaged from the crank) and then releases torque (engaged to the crank) at a set point. When you think about it everything on a bike is spring assisted, brake levers, calipers front and rear mech. This could even be used to decrease the dead spot on a pedal rev in the same way as o-symetrics.

This adopts the block and tackle principle of using minimal load distributed over gearing to build force and then release it.

The other point is all this talk of batteries - bikes generate substantial natural power which is why in the Netherlands hub dymano's are used to power the bikes lights.

I am more inclined to believe bikes could have a spring assisted mechanism built into the actual bottom bracket than a battery powered motor.

I don't see how it would work.

Are there any existing precdents?

You would have to attach the spring to the BB axle for the duration of the energy return, and those axles are thin - and hollow. Just don't see how you are going to reliably connect the two.

That's the problem with the discussion concerning this - its all hypothesis and there are no existing precedents only engineering mechanisms used elsewhere. You are right the space in the bb shell seriously limits anything.

In fact there are a number of reasons why mechanical doping is very unlikely

The R&D costs alone would be incredible (who would fund it? a rider, the team, a private individual with deep pockets). Certainly SRAM, Shimano and Campag wouldn't touch it. Then finding someone with the expertise and facilities to design and assemble it near on impossible. Then you have to fit it, remove it, set it up, conceal it.

The more you think about it the more insane it becomes.

 

[Handy Bendy Ghandi]

Re: Re:

There is a lot of people talking about battery powered motors.

In actual fact there is no reason why a spring assisted mechanism couldn't be incorporated in a bottom bracket. It coils a certain amount of revs (disengaged from the crank) and then releases torque (engaged to the crank) at a set point. When you think about it everything on a bike is spring assisted, brake levers, calipers front and rear mech. This could even be used to decrease the dead spot on a pedal rev in the same way as o-symetrics.

This adopts the block and tackle principle of using minimal load distributed over gearing to build force and then release it.

The other point is all this talk of batteries - bikes generate substantial natural power which is why in the Netherlands hub dymano's are used to power the bikes lights.

I am more inclined to believe bikes could have a spring assisted mechanism built into the actual bottom bracket than a battery powered motor.

I don't see how it would work.

Are there any existing precdents?

You would have to attach the spring to the BB axle for the duration of the energy return, and those axles are thin - and hollow. Just don't see how you are going to reliably connect the two.

That's the problem with the discussion concerning this - its all hypothesis and there are no existing precedents only engineering mechanisms used elsewhere. You are right the space in the bb shell seriously limits anything.

In fact there are a number of reasons why mechanical doping is very unlikely

The R&D costs alone would be incredible (who would fund it? a rider, the team, a private individual with deep pockets). Certainly SRAM, Shimano and Campag wouldn't touch it. Then finding someone with the expertise and facilities to design and assemble it near on impossible. Then you have to fit it, remove it, set it up, conceal it.

The more you think about it the more insane it becomes.

Maybe it's all clockwork, and the riders wind it up with a great big key when no-one's looking.

in fact, maybe some of the riders are clockwork......like those nasty robots in Doctor Who !

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

There is a lot of people talking about battery powered motors.

In actual fact there is no reason why a spring assisted mechanism couldn't be incorporated in a bottom bracket. It coils a certain amount of revs (disengaged from the crank) and then releases torque (engaged to the crank) at a set point. When you think about it everything on a bike is spring assisted, brake levers, calipers front and rear mech. This could even be used to decrease the dead spot on a pedal rev in the same way as o-symetrics.

This adopts the block and tackle principle of using minimal load distributed over gearing to build force and then release it.

The other point is all this talk of batteries - bikes generate substantial natural power which is why in the Netherlands hub dymano's are used to power the bikes lights.

I am more inclined to believe bikes could have a spring assisted mechanism built into the actual bottom bracket than a battery powered motor.

I don't see how it would work.

Are there any existing precdents?

You would have to attach the spring to the BB axle for the duration of the energy return, and those axles are thin - and hollow. Just don't see how you are going to reliably connect the two.

That's the problem with the discussion concerning this - its all hypothesis and there are no existing precedents only engineering mechanisms used elsewhere. You are right the space in the bb shell seriously limits anything.

In fact there are a number of reasons why mechanical doping is very unlikely

The R&D costs alone would be incredible (who would fund it? a rider, the team, a private individual with deep pockets). Certainly SRAM, Shimano and Campag wouldn't touch it. Then finding someone with the expertise and facilities to design and assemble it near on impossible. Then you have to fit it, remove it, set it up, conceal it.

The more you think about it the more insane it becomes.

Maybe it's all clockwork, and the riders wind it up with a great big key when no-one's looking.

in fact, maybe some of the riders are clockwork......like those nasty robots in Doctor Who !

I think Sky have hired Daleks to look for marginal gains throughout the universe and bring them back to sky....it might explain the alien they brought back known as The Froome.

 

[Handy Bendy Ghandi]

Re: Re:

There is a lot of people talking about battery powered motors.

In actual fact there is no reason why a spring assisted mechanism couldn't be incorporated in a bottom bracket. It coils a certain amount of revs (disengaged from the crank) and then releases torque (engaged to the crank) at a set point. When you think about it everything on a bike is spring assisted, brake levers, calipers front and rear mech. This could even be used to decrease the dead spot on a pedal rev in the same way as o-symetrics.

This adopts the block and tackle principle of using minimal load distributed over gearing to build force and then release it.

The other point is all this talk of batteries - bikes generate substantial natural power which is why in the Netherlands hub dymano's are used to power the bikes lights.

I am more inclined to believe bikes could have a spring assisted mechanism built into the actual bottom bracket than a battery powered motor.

I don't see how it would work.

Are there any existing precdents?

You would have to attach the spring to the BB axle for the duration of the energy return, and those axles are thin - and hollow. Just don't see how you are going to reliably connect the two.

That's the problem with the discussion concerning this - its all hypothesis and there are no existing precedents only engineering mechanisms used elsewhere. You are right the space in the bb shell seriously limits anything.

In fact there are a number of reasons why mechanical doping is very unlikely

The R&D costs alone would be incredible (who would fund it? a rider, the team, a private individual with deep pockets). Certainly SRAM, Shimano and Campag wouldn't touch it. Then finding someone with the expertise and facilities to design and assemble it near on impossible. Then you have to fit it, remove it, set it up, conceal it.

The more you think about it the more insane it becomes.

Maybe it's all clockwork, and the riders wind it up with a great big key when no-one's looking.

in fact, maybe some of the riders are clockwork......like those nasty robots in Doctor Who !

I think Sky have hired Daleks to look for marginal gains throughout the universe and bring them back to sky....it might explain the alien they brought back known as The Froome.

Yeah, and Andre Greipel is a Cyberman............

Oh dear, I shouldn't have said anything..............this will be regarded as established fact now............

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Re:

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Maybe it's all clockwork, and the riders wind it up with a great big key when no-one's looking.

in fact, maybe some of the riders are clockwork......like those nasty robots in Doctor Who !

Giant rubber band in the downtube. Just like the balsa wood toy planes.

Surprised they aren't getting airborne.

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There is precedent in other sports:

* hollow (?) baseball bats
* sand paper in the pocket to rough up cricket balls
* semi deflated (?) footballs