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The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

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sashimono said:
Another idea for a doped bike would be to have pure oxygen in the frame which you could dispense as needed. You could get a lot of oxygen without any pressure by basing it around some kind of chlorate candle in the down tube. I wonder if anybody has ever done something like that?

or how about a couple of solid rocket boosters hidden in the chainstays. too obvious?
 
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Unlike PEDs which masking agents, micro dosing, etc can be used to avoid detection, all an official needs to do is examine the bike and there's no way to hide it. If anyone is using something like that, it's pretty ballsy.
 
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theswordsman said:
It sure didn't take long for someone to rip off the Specialized video and put it on youtube.



http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4...bike-motor-story-others-debate-the-issue.aspx

Thanks for that link. there are some interesting quotes in that article.

“'It is so crazy that I don’t have words for it,' [Cancellara] told Het Nieuwsblad. 'I don’t want to speak too much about this and dwell on a story that’s so stupid.'"

"The rider’s Saxo Bank mechanic assured that there is no basis for the questions. 'I guarantee you 200 percent – this is completely wrong,' said Christophe Desimelaere to Het Nieuwsblad. 'Until a few weeks ago, everybody laughed so much. But I, as a mechanic, cannot laugh. Look, about doping, I can’t say anything, since people can do what they want. But with the bike, absolutely not. I am aware of everything and I guarantee you that this story is not true. It is outrageous that they dare insinuate such a thing. The people who say this are crazy.'"

It's pretty obvious the Italian video started out as a joke, an April Fools joke. Turns out there are fools not only in April, and the story took on a life of its own. The video's creators must have assumed it would be harmless fun because it is so patently absurd. (That's the only patent here.) And it would be absurd and obvious were it not for one thing: doping.

Everyone dopes, everyone knows everyone dopes, and those that know accept it as a part of racing - hence the mechanic's statement, which could easily be construed as, "Yeah, he might be doping his *** off, they all are, but the bikes are a different issue altogether." Because doping has been so rampant for so long, and more or less accepted by those within the sport, we now assume that no one in racing has any integrity whatsoever.

The reason the story has any legs at all is because we all know that if it were possible to do, Barne Riis would be on the phone in a second, trying to buy these for his team and trying to talk Cancellara into using it. I can so picture that happening.

This bike motor story really is a joke, and the funny part is the bit where you (I) took it seriously enough to actually look into it and think about it and determine that it isn't for real. Gotcha. Pro cycling is clearly losing its credibility.
 
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Maxiton said:
This bike motor story really is a joke, and the funny part is the bit where you (I) took it seriously enough to actually look into it and think about it and determine that it isn't for real. Gotcha.

It's silent, small and frames are so bulky nowadays that a battery can be placed in the tubes. Note that I already have two pedelecs on a consumer level. They are dead silent up to it's max (limited at 30kph). Then we have the cold hard facts that tiny, strong, electro engines are commonplace in many areas. So a profesional system relatively silently adding 100 watts? Yes, very possible.

Gotcha.
 
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Does the battery go in the seat tube?? Wouldn't it have to be molded with the bike, if it was put in the down tube?? Otherwise you would have to cut into your carbon frame and then patch it up and do a fresh paint job over it, and it might be less sturdy. I for one welcome motorized doping, and am not outraged by it like I am with real doping. If you are caught motorized doping you should get a slap on the wrist and DQ'd for 1 day, that way perhaps they can help grow this awesome technology. The button placement in that video is stupid imo. It should be a hidden button under the black gum hood, so you can just ride on the hoods like normal and press down on a certain part real hard with your thumb, it would be less obvious.

But this video is funny, Cancellara's accelerations are kind of comical and makes me wonder if he had rocket boosters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE&feature=player_embedded
 
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Maxiton said:
The reason the story has any legs at all is because we all know that if it were possible to do, Barne Riis would be on the phone in a second, trying to buy these for his team and trying to talk Cancellara into using it. I can so picture that happening.

This bike motor story really is a joke, and the funny part is the bit where you (I) took it seriously enough to actually look into it and think about it and determine that it isn't for real. Gotcha. Pro cycling is clearly losing its credibility.

who says the riders know about it? told by Riis to attack, he does the bike goes like a rocket and cancellara thinks its the juice and his training.....

these motors are very possible and to make out it is some joke is again denying what cyclists and professional sports people everywhere have being doing since competition started..cheating....
 
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Benotti69 said:
who says the riders know about it? told by Riis to attack, he does the bike goes like a rocket and cancellara thinks its the juice and his training.....

these motors are very possible and to make out it is some joke is again denying what cyclists and professional sports people everywhere have being doing since competition started..cheating....

So you think it's remote controlled now do you?

Just when you think the ideas can't get any more ludicrous, some clown is always ready to raise the bar.
 
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Mambo95 said:
So you think it's remote controlled now do you?

Just when you think the ideas can't get any more ludicrous, some clown is always ready to raise the bar.

ludicrous ideas, like microdoping, like losing muscle mass due to cancer and winning 7 TdFs.....yep clowning....

anything is possible when there is cheating involved, except to the naive....
 
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With regard to the bike change in the Ronde van Vlaanderen at 56km before the finish, Cancellara wrote on his website back in April:

"Die schwierigste und schliesslich auch entscheidendste Phase meiner persönlichen Flandern-Rundfahrt war der Velowechsel 56 Kilometer vor dem Ziel. Zuvor hatte ich während zehn Kilometern versucht das Problem mit der Bremse, die schräg stand und die Felge streifte, zu beheben. Ich schaffte es nicht und musste nach dem Materialwagen rufen."

"The most difficult and finally also decisive moment of my Tour of Flanders was the bike change 56 kilometers before the finish. Before I tried during 10km to solve the problem with my brake, which was not balanced and interfered/touched the wheel. But I didn't succeed and had to call the team car."
 
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The more I watch the video, the more it looks like someone accelerating with motorized assist. I mean, it sounds crazy, but it sure does look funny. Just watch the difference in the stress applied to the legs of Fabian and Boonen on the Muur, especially the steep part of the curve where Fabian just motors up like it was nothing. I still remember looking at the gap after the top and thinking that I have never seen anyone put that much of a gap into a quality rider like Boonen in any race before. In fact, he picked up 30 seconds within 1K or so...on TOM FREAKING BOONEN.
 
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It just gets more and more strange. Now the video of the pre-planned F1 style bike change video was removed from youtube by the user. Does anyone else have a copy of the footage? It looked like it was high quality footage, possibly from Specialized or Team Saxo Bank.
 
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santacruz said:
Does the battery go in the seat tube?? Wouldn't it have to be molded with the bike, if it was put in the down tube?? Otherwise you would have to cut into your carbon frame and then patch it up and do a fresh paint job over it, and it might be less sturdy.

There are many framebuilders out there making custom carbon lugged frames with tubesets from, for example Dedacciai. You could put battery cells in the frame as needed - in the seat tube, in the downtube. The wiring could also be completely internal. Nothing would need to be visible from the outside. At the same time, measures could be taken to minimize motor noise with some damping and decoupling of the motor mount from the seat tube (or the motor could be in the down tube for that matter, and be of a much larger diameter). And you don't need a big stupid visible button on the shifters. You would just hide a microswitch somewhere on the bars where it can't be seen.

I doubt Cancellara used this, but it is absolutely technically possible and wouldn't cost more than a few thousand $ to develop.
 
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Surely someone has a very high definition photo of Cancellara from the front, so we can see if there is a strange button on the shifter?? I'm not sure why they wouldn't conceal the button better however.. his acceleration does look rather comical, lol.
 
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racer-x said:
There are many framebuilders out there making custom carbon lugged frames with tubesets from, for example Dedacciai. You could put battery cells in the frame as needed - in the seat tube, in the downtube. The wiring could also be completely internal. Nothing would need to be visible from the outside. At the same time, measures could be taken to minimize motor noise with some damping and decoupling of the motor mount from the seat tube (or the motor could be in the down tube for that matter, and be of a much larger diameter). And you don't need a big stupid visible button on the shifters. You would just hide a microswitch somewhere on the bars where it can't be seen.

I doubt Cancellara used this, but it is absolutely technically possible and wouldn't cost more than a few thousand $ to develop.


Exactly.

Note that I don't believe for a second this is used by Fabian, simply because it takes cheating to the next level. Doping can be self-decepted "all my competitors do it, so it's not really cheating". Motorized doping however destroys sport as it is.

I think Fabian is a sportsman and he has shown his capabilities in the past. I can not and will not believe he used a motor.

But that it's technically possible: Yes. The idea that sound or batteries are a blockade is naive an wrong. Sound isn't an issue on a consumer pedelec, so why would it be on a pro setup? Batteries can be inserted in the tubes as many carbon bikes are not monocoque but indeed glued.

Btw, Pedelec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedelec
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
The more I watch the video, the more it looks like someone accelerating with motorized assist. I mean, it sounds crazy, but it sure does look funny. Just watch the difference in the stress applied to the legs of Fabian and Boonen on the Muur, especially the steep part of the curve where Fabian just motors up like it was nothing. I still remember looking at the gap after the top and thinking that I have never seen anyone put that much of a gap into a quality rider like Boonen in any race before. In fact, he picked up 30 seconds within 1K or so...on TOM FREAKING BOONEN.


+1

That video makes me very, very uncomfortable.
 
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la.margna said:
1) ok, with this engine, he would have won the roads and gone away from sanchez in the last round when they were in front.

3) Contador is king on the hard climbs and time trial, so what?

No, Cancell. blew his moto early in Mendrisio (>14,000 feet of climbing is still a tad much for the moto). That was the smoke we all saw coming out the back at one point. :rolleyes: Apparently Liege (LBL) is bit beyond Spartacus right now, according to him; but no problem, Mendrisio with hugely more climbing was easier (just half way up Everest in gross terms). Ahem.

Bertie is a lighter guy and goes and goes and goes a bit longer than Spartacus... :eek: Am looking forward to seeing Cancell. with Joaquim Rodriquez and Valverde etc. (when he comes back) just behind Bertie on the Angliru in the Vuelta soon, in a movie theatre near you. A little molehill for guys with some "seasoning" focus.

The acceleration at exactly 0:45 here while seated here is ridiculous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM_g...17EB84AD&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=46

He's not Chris Hoy.
 

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