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The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

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Benotti69 said:
"It would be worse than doping,” Lefevere said. “Even pure theft.”

which kind says doping is not theft......:mad:

Cassani claimed it has been in use since 2004......go figure. Cassani is hardly squeaky clean, but he's not of the EPO era, which is from what i understand considered dirtier than previous....but i could be wrong.

bike dope could result in the riders needing to do less training to be competitive. that's the difference, with rider dope they still need to do the hard training

neither of them are acceptable though
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn-oHTCgR84

Now, watch the counter. He attacks at 2:34. One minute later (3:34), it pans to him after the top of the Muur. That is a huge amount of space in one minute...against Tom Boonen.

Really strange...FREAKING ridiculous actually.

I watched it live and was stunned at his power. I understand confirmation bias could be speaking, but holy crap, I have to agree that looks like Swiss engineering at work.
 
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RigelKent said:
I watched it live and was stunned at his power. I understand confirmation bias could be speaking, but holy crap, I have to agree that looks like Swiss engineering at work.

Definitely Swiss engineering. Thirty-some years ago a Swiss couple did some mutual engineering and nine months later little Fabian popped out. And I don't doubt the neighbor kids looked for the motor in his tricycle.
 
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A clever response.

Neither video of him pulling away proves anything on its own. But after years of seeing unreal acts on bikes turn out to be truly unreal, I think doubts are in order.
 
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RigelKent said:
A clever response.

Neither video of him pulling away proves anything on its own. But after years of seeing unreal acts on bikes turn out to be truly unreal, I think doubts are in order.

No doubt. :D. And certainly understandable - see my earlier response in this thread. But even if it were technically feasable to do this, it beggers belief that a rider of Cance's caliber would risk EVERYTHING for the sake of a mere two races. The risk-to-benefit ratio is just way out of whack.

EDIT: And further, he had no need to do it; he's already the biggest engine in the peloton. The only rider I can think of with both the need and the stupidity to try this is Rasmussen. If we were discussing him, the claim would be more credible.
 
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No doubt. :D. And certainly understandable - see my earlier response in this thread. But even if it were technically feasable to do this, it beggers belief that a rider of Cance's caliber would risk EVERYTHING for the sake of a mere two races. The risk-to-benefit ratio is just way out of whack.

EDIT: And further, he had no need to do it; he's already the biggest engine in the peloton. The only rider I can think of with both the need and the stupidity to try this is Rasmussen. If we were discussing him, the claim would be more credible.

For whatever reason, Spartacus strikes me as the type of person who would do it. I think it is plausible from watching the videos.
 
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Wonder if the Mythbusters duo would look at this 'myth'

I think there is enough evidence in the videos about the motor to suggest it is plausible.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
For whatever reason, Spartacus strikes me as the type of person who would do it. I think it is plausible from watching the videos.

Well, that's fine, but a vague feeling about someone you've never met does not an argument make. He and Riis had far, far more to lose by trying this than they had to gain. And in the absence of any countervening facts or logic, that alone should be enough to give us pause.
 
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Pinotti, Rogers, Armstrong have all expressed concern vis-a-vis Cancellara, specifically in regard to the likelihood of a moto or some sort of assist. Lefevre, Boonen's boss, has too, without naming names. It's obvious who he's thinking of.

Playful or not, that carries some weight. They are actually there beside the guy or involved in the peloton; we're not, but idle speculators. There are concerns on the part of people who matter, no matter how far-fetched.

NB: I'm merely reciting the concerns and quips of the people above as a relevant FYI versus our opinions (and they're merely that).
 
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Well, that's fine, but a vague feeling about someone you've never met does not an argument make. He and Riis had far, far more to lose by trying this than they had to gain. And in the absence of any countervening facts or logic, that alone should be enough to give us pause.

I was expressing my opinion.

I would suggest that logically, a system rife with doping to win is not above employing mechanical means also. He gained a win regardless of how he got there. Obviously, that is the main point of racing, and people have used substances that killed them in an effort to win. I would suggest that people like Simpson risked much more to win than Riis or Spartacus were putting on the table if they did use mechanical means to gain an advantage.

We surely disagree on the efficacy of using something like that.
 
Parrot23 said:
The acceleration at exactly 0:45 here while seated here is ridiculous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM_g...17EB84AD&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=46

He's not Chris Hoy.

I did an analysis and found nothing out of the ordinary, especially in lieu of what this man can achieve and has achieved in the past. See : Anatomy of a Cancellara Attack.

I don't want to give credence to these rumors. But if the motor was actually placed in the bike, you must also think about its ability to let a rider recover from hard efforts. So rider puts 400 watts to attack, get tired, switches on the motor, and soft pedals while the motor pulls him along. He recovers, switches the motor off and returns back to cruising mode. That's plausible.
 
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The more I look at it and think about it, it is really the Kappelmuur performance that raises my eyebrows. Paris-Roubaix is reasonable, does not look at all suspiciuos to me, but Vlaanderen...
 
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Cozy Beehive said:
I did an analysis and found nothing out of the ordinary, especially in lieu of what this man can achieve and has achieved in the past. See : Anatomy of a Cancellara Attack.

I don't want to give credence to these rumors. But if the motor was actually placed in the bike, you must also think about its ability to let a rider recover from hard efforts. So rider puts 400 watts to attack, get tired, switches on the motor, and soft pedals while the motor pulls him along. He recovers, switches the motor off and returns back to cruising mode. That's plausible.
my concern would be, I have never seen a rider go up those bergs in Flanders like Boonen. Boonen has always gapped everyone when he wanted to, he had them on a string.

Now alongs some guy in the saddle, and puts a major distance between him and Boonen in the space of 60secs. It is all relative, Tommeke is the best I have seen, and he had his pants pulled down like the Crying Game.
 
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my concern would be, I have never seen a rider go up those bergs in Flanders like Boonen. Boonen has always gapped everyone when he wanted to, he had them on a string.

Now alongs some guy in the saddle, and puts a major distance between him and Boonen in the space of 60secs. It is all relative, Tommeke is the best I have seen, and he had his pants pulled down like the Crying Game.

In interviews with Fabian, he talks of practicing several times on the course before the race. It seems he knew exactly when and where to bring down the hammer and then simulated a TT after the attack. Whether that's the truth, or he went to a hobby store to purchase a motor, not sure yet. :D
 
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There is one way to find out if Spartacus has been using such a motor. We'll just have to wait and see how he rides in the Ronde and P-R etc next year. Assuming that the UCI are taking mechanical doping seriously (and they say they are), they will be scanning bikes for these devices - and might just pay particular attention to Spartacus. Is he going to have a bit of a drop in power next season, or even towards the end of this season?
 
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Cozy Beehive said:
In interviews with Fabian, he talks of practicing several times on the course before the race. It seems he knew exactly when and where to bring down the hammer and then simulated a TT after the attack. Whether that's the truth, or he went to a hobby store to purchase a motor, not sure yet. :D

Didn't a certain Tour winner do that? Maybe that's where he got the line from :D
 
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Maxiton said:
No doubt. :D. And certainly understandable - see my earlier response in this thread. But even if it were technically feasable to do this, it beggers belief that a rider of Cance's caliber would risk EVERYTHING for the sake of a mere two races. The risk-to-benefit ratio is just way out of whack.

risk to benefit.....give me a motor or give me drugs to put in my body and risk my future health....hmmmm that's a hard one:rolleyes:

get caught cheating with PED's 2 year ban, get caught cheating with a motor????anyone know the ban time?????

Riis proven cheater, would he use methods to cheat....:rolleyes:

Why is this worse than doping? cheating is cheating, motorised doping is equivalent to PED's without the health risk....i know that i would choose it if i was to cheat...how would he get caught, no one is ratting on dopers, except supposedly lunatics like Landis, who has according to UCI's initial statement and LA, no credibility..

A bike like this just used in a race, not for training..well hell why not?..everyone is doping...we are all years behind the dopers and their methods....maybe we are behind the bikes too....maybe liquidgas have them....sure looked 'Postal' to me on the giro and we all know what that means....

personally for me its not far fetched....

as an aside i would also get rid of those ridiculous looking tt machines and go back to road bikes for TTs and the investment required for TT bikes invested in the youth of the sport and grass roots...
 
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Cozy Beehive said:
Whether that's the truth, or he went to a hobby store to purchase a motor, not sure yet. :D

:D Let me guess: at RadioShack!

Thanks for the good analysis. Much appreciated.

I remember when Dave Zabriskie was at CSC on their ~training program and was rivaling Cancellera as a TT'er. You got the impression that he was upsetting the apple cart at Bjarne's outfit, the established order of things on the team. He's not the same rider today (and that's good, and everyone implicitly understands that).

I think people's jaundiced attitude toward people like Riis and the Hog, from long experience, is that it's difficult for a leopard to change it's spots, and they start reaching for explanations of outlier performances, justifiably. As we know in pro cycling, the truth is stranger than fiction a lot of the time.

I still think there a lot of folks with long-practiced eyes in the peloton who are asking questions (which doesn't mean all of them are clean themselves!).
 
rolfrae said:
There is one way to find out if Spartacus has been using such a motor. We'll just have to wait and see how he rides in the Ronde and P-R etc next year. Assuming that the UCI are taking mechanical doping seriously (and they say they are), they will be scanning bikes for these devices - and might just pay particular attention to Spartacus. Is he going to have a bit of a drop in power next season, or even towards the end of this season?

Correct.

If that was "peak-form Spartacus" on display, then he's going to need a good excuse if his peak form performances in April 2011 aren't similar.

The interesting bit in Flanders is that Boonen was giving it absolutely everything out of the saddle but getting distanced badly. There is no reason why, given a similar situation next season, Fabian shouldn't be able to do the same.
 
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Maxiton said:
He and Riis had far, far more to lose by trying this than they had to gain.

Two days ago Riis confirmed to sporten.dk ( http://www.sporten.dk/cykling/riis-forsoegte-gigant-fusion-0 ) that he talked to Bob Stapleton at Milano-San Remo this year. Allegedly Riis suggested merging team Saxo Bank with team HTC-Colombia. This suggests that Riis had not yet solved the sponsor situation at this point (shortly before Flandern and Roubaix). A spectacular double victory would have come in very handy. I can't say if they cheated, but I can see the motivation. There was a real risk that the team would have to close down.
 
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Ferminal said:
The interesting bit in Flanders is that Boonen was giving it absolutely everything out of the saddle but getting distanced badly. There is no reason why, given a similar situation next season, Fabian shouldn't be able to do the same.

Except by Boonen's account, he was suffering from cramps.
 
euanli said:
Except by Boonen's account, he was suffering from cramps.

Good one. See, this is why I think us as cycling fans can be too naive sometimes. To truly understand bike racing, you need to understand the power of variables. EVERYTHING is subject to CHANGE. A reader on my blog best put it in his words the other day :

When a race is won by seconds over a long distance among virtually evenly matched riders, even a small advantage can mean victory.

One guy is in a better mood one day. One guy has EPO. One guy has a concealed motor. One guy brakes a bit more in a steep descent. One guy has a slow leak, runs the last few km 20psi low. All these things matter where a wheel's breadth separates #1 from #2
 

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