The doped bike exists (video of pro version)!

[Ferminal]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4395zFPIYAo

Kappelmuur at around 3:20. Boonen climbs the Muur seated. Does this imply he has a motor in his bike?

Doesn't look like he was 20% faster to me.

 

[Parrot23]

New York Times on why Gruber Assist is laughable for the pro peloton:

"The company’s product...was intended for the aged, the injured and the infirm, and for recreational cyclists who want the boost of an electric motor without the embarrassment that comes from riding an obvious electric bicycle.“It’s an old person’s look,” she said of other electric bikes."

So let's shut up about the red herring of existing commercial systems.

There are much, much higher performance brushless electric motors and miniaturized polymer batteries well established in the model airplane hobby business that a skilled craftsman could easily use. That's the issue--not all this Gruber Assist and sugar-bag sized battery commuter baloney.

Time for McQuaid and UCI to wake up.

This was Chris Boardman's point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/sports/cycling/05cycle.html?hp

 

[la.margna]

Doesn't look like he was 20% faster to me.

No, but it is for all those who think that seated or not seated is an indication that the rider's bike is powered by a tiny motor inside! btw, around 23s I'd say.

why Gruber Assist is laughable for the pro peloton... So let's shut up about the red herring of existing commercial systems.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/sports/cycling/05cycle.html?hp

definitely, that what I was mentioning already several times when people post again something about the Gruber Assist in relation to it. no way. and again, the pro version showed by Cassani is not a Gruber Assist powered bike, it was manufactured in Hungary.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

No, but it is for all those who think that seated or not seated is an indication that the rider's bike is powered by a tiny motor inside! btw, around 23s I'd say.



definitely, that what I was mentioning already several times when people post again something about the Gruber Assist in relation to it. no way. and again, the pro version showed by Cassani is not a Gruber Assist powered bike, it was manufactured in Hungary.

So those Magyars are doing more than just producing porn? Interesting...

 

[Gnossos7]

Motorised cheating not new?

From an article at Cyclismag, I just learned that a well known track cyclist cheated during the Six Days of Grenoble in 1979 with some sort of electric motor. Apparently he "tortured" the other cyclists; I can only imagine!

http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5855

A very interesting side note; the director of the cheating cyclist - Rene Wenzel.

The device is not described, but he did say the only sign was the battery which was well hidden beneath the saddle.

 

[la.margna]

McQuaid was speaking at the first World Congress on Cycling Science in Edinburgh, with anti-doping and so-called "mechanical doping" two of the themes in his keynote address. He dismissed Italian TV's recent report on claims that engines could be fitted in bikes, and claimed that Davide Cassani, the retired professional who featured in the piece that has become a YouTube hit, had "made mistakes."

"We've spoken to him, and he's acknowledged his mistakes," said McQuaid. "He said, for example, that the battery to this device could fit in the seat tube - that's incorrect."

 

[Benotti69]

McQuaid was speaking at the first World Congress on Cycling Science in Edinburgh, with anti-doping and so-called "mechanical doping" two of the themes in his keynote address. He dismissed Italian TV's recent report on claims that engines could be fitted in bikes, and claimed that Davide Cassani, the retired professional who featured in the piece that has become a YouTube hit, had "made mistakes."

"We've spoken to him, and he's acknowledged his mistakes," said McQuaid. "He said, for example, that the battery to this device could fit in the seat tube - that's incorrect."

that's P McQ's story, let's hear it from Cassani.....

 

[Parrot23]

What is wrong with these folks? McQuaid is being deliberately obtuse again.

The high performance polymer batteries used in remote controlled hobby/small scale aircraft that put out 100's of watts are elongated and narrow, and will easily fit, stacked in a seat tube.

Gee whiz, they fit in the fuselage of a narrow model airplane. Last time I checked, I didn't see these flying around with a car battery, LOL. And why not the fat diagonal forward tube going up from the bracket?

 

[Benotti69]

What is wrong with these folks? McQuaid is being deliberately obtuse again.

of course he is, he does it all the time, he refused to be interviewed by the national Irish radio station at the same time as Paul Kimmage.....why cause guys like Kimmage know their stuff, know PMcQ and UCI are cycling mafia....

McQ doesn't really understand why people want to rock the boat, but he does not about the morality of cheating, he himself went to race in Sth Africa under a diff name, the danger to young riders, the sad unbelievable spectacle it is to real fans and it comes down to him being part of making money from this...

 

[MacRoadie]

McQ doesn't really understand why people want to rock the boat, but he does not about the morality of cheating, he himself went to race in Sth Africa under a diff name, the danger to young riders, the sad unbelievable spectacle it is to real fans and it comes down to him being part of making money from this...

Be nice. McQuaid only went to race in Sun City because he had to:

"Naturally enough, it was disappointing not to have competed in the Olympics. That said, if I were to do the same again, I'd probably wouldn't change anything," he told Cyclingnews last year. "I was a young cyclist at the time with an opportunity to race at the time in South Africa, see the country for myself. I got to see what the place was like, what the living conditions were like and what society was like for those living out there, having read and heard so much about it."

"It was also beneficial from a sporting point of view. Normally our season would finish at the end of August, after the Tour of Ireland, more or less. We would be racing again the following March, six months later. But going to South Africa extended our season by two months and that was the reason myself and Sean went out there, to get good competition so we would have a short winter season and be better prepared for the Olympics the following year. But then things all went haywire while we were there..."

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/interviews/?id=pat_mcquaid05a

Apartheid, smapartheid. Apparently there aren't too many places to race your bike between Ireland and South Africa...h wait, never mind.

 

[la.margna]

that's P McQ's story, let's hear it from Cassani.....

I know. We cannot expect from McQuairruption to tell the truth as we have learned. Just wanted to post it here as it belongs to this thread.

Btw, I was watching both races in HD yesterday again. I am now fully convinced that FC did not use a motorised bike in Paris-Roubaix and it seems also pretty unlikely for Flanders. As he said. The only motor is in my body. PED enhanced like any other, but no e.doping.

 

[LugHugger]

of course he is, he does it all the time, he refused to be interviewed by the national Irish radio station at the same time as Paul Kimmage.....why cause guys like Kimmage know their stuff, know PMcQ and UCI are cycling mafia....

McQ doesn't really understand why people want to rock the boat, but he does not about the morality of cheating, he himself went to race in Sth Africa under a diff name, the danger to young riders, the sad unbelievable spectacle it is to real fans and it comes down to him being part of making money from this...

i'm far from being a PM apologist but he did appear with paul kimmage on Irish radio only last month:http://www.newstalk.ie/downloads/floyd-landis-accuses-lance-armstrong/

posted purely for sake of even-handedness

 

[Ferminal]

i'm far from being a PM apologist but he did appear with paul kimmage on Irish radio only last month:http://www.newstalk.ie/downloads/floyd-landis-accuses-lance-armstrong/

posted purely for sake of even-handedness

I think that's the one Benotti is talking about, Pat came on after Kimmage didn't he?

 

[Anonymous]

I think that's the one Benotti is talking about, Pat came on after Kimmage didn't he?

Yea, it was not "with" which implies that both were questioned and responding at the same time. It was two different interviews. MQ wouldn't be interviewed at the same time.

 

[Benotti69]

as the 2 posts above have said. McQ refused to be interviewed at the same time as Kimmage. He came on the programme after....

so we see P McQ digs his hole even deeper, he's up there with Krusty the Clown. Cassani totally refutes what McQ said about him and is warning that the bike could be used in the TdF.....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-judge-opens-investigation-into-motorised-bikes

Cassani reiterated all the claims he made on television to Cyclingnews. He confirmed that the power produced by the motor could make a huge difference in a race and that he had been told a bike fitted with a motor has been used in races.

"I did the report for the love of the sport because I felt it was the right thing to do to show the bike. I didn’t hide anything and I certainly didn't accuse Cancellara of using it," Cassani told Cyclingnews.

"I'm really disappointed about what McQuaid said because I met with Philippe Chevalier of the UCI and told him everything I know. I was happy to help but I stand by what I said on television. I never said the battery could be hidden inside the tube. On the bike I showed, it was in the bottle, but it was still hidden."

"It's up to the UCI to get to the bottom of this. I understand they knew a year ago about it but only reacted when the story came out."

pity some mainstream news and media outlets dont pick this up....

 

[auscyclefan94]

can someone please tell me how/why the uci hired mcquaid? that just baffles me. I just saw the official video and I am quite surprised and it is convincing.

 

[la.margna]

so we see P McQ digs his hole even deeper, he's up there with Krusty the Clown. Cassani totally refutes what McQ said about him and is warning that the bike could be used in the TdF.....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-judge-opens-investigation-into-motorised-bikes

Cassani reiterated all the claims he made on television to Cyclingnews. He confirmed that the power produced by the motor could make a huge difference in a race and that he had been told a bike fitted with a motor has been used in races.

"I did the report for the love of the sport because I felt it was the right thing to do to show the bike. I didn’t hide anything and I certainly didn't accuse Cancellara of using it," Cassani told Cyclingnews.

"I'm really disappointed about what McQuaid said because I met with Philippe Chevalier of the UCI and told him everything I know. I was happy to help but I stand by what I said on television. I never said the battery could be hidden inside the tube. On the bike I showed, it was in the bottle, but it was still hidden."

"It's up to the UCI to get to the bottom of this. I understand they knew a year ago about it but only reacted when the story came out."

shocking. McQuairruption is a joke.

 

[Benotti69]

shocking. McQuairruption is a joke.

i am afraid i am gonna have to disagree, the situation here ain't laughable, the guy is nowhere nearing being a joke, when he reaches those lofty heights (for his standards) we can all have a laugh....

 

[Beech Mtn]

So, why is McQuack so hell-bent on covering this up. Is it because he thinks cycling can't handle another scandal? Is it because some big names are using this and have paid the UCI hush money to cover it up?

When I first heard the story, I thought the only people who would actually try to use this in a race would be some desperate, small-name guys on low level teams. I thought no stars or big name team would take the chance with cheating like this. But we've seen how the UCI will hang out a small fish in the case of doping, make an example of the little guy and claim that the sport is now cleaned up. Why wouldn't they do that with motorized doping too? Either they don't want any whiff of the possiblity of this (too embarassing for the sport), or maybe it's being used by some big names in some prestigious races (showing the sport to be fake).

 

[rattler]

to the aussie cycling fan that asked the question,
"why did McQuaid get hired".
he was selected by the "master of puppets", Hein Verbruggen.
bone up on some world cycling history.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.eurosport.fr/les-comment...'a-pas-tout-dit_post101262/blogpostfull.shtml

Check the video
Basically they say he changed bike twice prior to the Mollenberg. They show him making the first change. Then they show Breschel trying to change his bike, but there is no mechanic in the back of the car! They show also that Cancellara's bike isn't on the rack. So where are they? Apparently the mechanic has run across the neck of a loop the course takes, and catches up with Cancellara on the other side, where he again changes bike, as shown by an amateur video. The question is, what did the mechanic do to the bike, since apparently he took off without any tools. What did he repair? On the other hand, I guess what isn't being said in the video, it's easy to change the bidon where the battery is supposedly concealed...

They also comment on how late in the race the bike changes occurred, so it couldn't have been about having different tyre pressures or anything like that.

Jacky Duran finishes by saying Cancellara will be under heavy scrutiny of course now, so he should go ahead and prove his innocence by winning the Tour of Switzerland.

 

[la.margna]

http://www.eurosport.fr/les-comment...'a-pas-tout-dit_post101262/blogpostfull.shtml
Check the video

wow. the slightly fishy smell doesn't disappear... although there's the chance that it was just a convenient coincidence, it looks rather as a well planned temporary bike swap... let's hope FC answers with his legs (first answer was already in yesterday's prologue of the Tds) and will show us some similar accelerations going forward... If not...

 

[Benotti69]

he's hardly gonna get caught with a motorised bike now is he....and if he doesn't win the TdS well all the excuses will be spewed out...

but the video does look like something strange was going on and we'll probably never know, but a lot of these people are not so smart and take huge risks so there is hope that if it is true someone will get caught cheating with it.

 

[Anonymous]

After watching it again, and again. To me, in PR he looks like he is trying to catch up with a motor with his cadence when he attacks. In Flanders, timing him from his attack to a specific point that can be done with the film from previous years shows that he was several seconds faster than anyone else on that stretch.

I think he did it. We may never know, but I think he did it.

 

[roundabout]

http://www.eurosport.fr/les-comment...'a-pas-tout-dit_post101262/blogpostfull.shtml

Jacky Duran finishes by saying Cancellara will be under heavy scrutiny of course now, so he should go ahead and prove his innocence by winning the Tour of Switzerland.

How exactly would climbing the Albula with the leaders or at least close enough look any less suspicious than Flanders or Paris-Roubaix performances?