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DirtyWorks said:
Disagree. They need a Sports Illustrated/Wall St. Journal to summarize. People like it better if it's structured like a news story. The slow drip out of USADA works great. The flip side of that is a WikiLeaks-style dump and most journalists are too lazy to sift through unstructured information.

It is a lot easier for journalists to write a story when they get the case laid out in a single document. From there they can dig on their own. The comprehensive stories in major media should come later. Right now Armstrong's chief talking point is the USADA refused to show any evidence. The USADA's refusal to issue a detailed charging document has been used agaist them. Despite what SI or the WSJ may write later, if the USADA does not write a detailed explanation of the case against Armstrong then he and his supporters will continue to bash the USADA and its decision.

DirtyWorks said:
But, they've got the IOC on their side. On top of that, I got the distinct impression listening to Tygart that they know full well they cannot possibly counter the enormous amount of resources Wonderboy and Team are bringing. They can only work within the teeeny tiiiiny sliver of authority they've got and hope for the best.

The IOC will be watching very closely as this cannot threaten the perception that Olympic Sports are aggressive about anti-doping enforcement. I agree with another long-buried post that the fact that IOC recognized tennis immediately implemented one of USADA's bans strongly suggests the IOC is not messing around.

The average person cares little about what the IOC does. This is about public perception. Armstrong's argument is that he was treated so unfairly that he had to walk away from the process. Some bureaucrats in Switzerland saying the USADA was right does nothing to combat that argument. In fact, a lot of people would see it as further support for Armstrong's argument because their already see the "system" as unfair..
 
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RR - would it be possible to have the initial post edited to include links to pieces of evidence as they are drip fed?

would be much easier to follow
 
BotanyBay said:
Apparently Mr. Armstrong was another fan of Tenarife (despite the fact that he owned an altitude tent all of those years). I've never seen it published that he'd ever trained there...

in 2005 armstrong had an abysmal paris-nice prologue. something like 140th.

he abandoned a couple stages later.

he went off to tenerife where he met with ferrari.

two weeks later he was with the top 20 at tour de flandres.

btw lemond, hinault, fignon, merckx, anquetil never finished 140th in an itt. only blood doping can make that type of difference. the paris-nice result probably reflected armstrong's true talent level.
 
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Big Doopie said:
in 2005 armstrong had an abysmal paris-nice prologue. something like 140th.

he abandoned a couple stages later.

he went off to tenerife where he met with ferrari.

two weeks later he was with the top 20 at tour de flandres.

btw lemond, hinault, fignon, merckx, anquetil never finished 140th in an itt. only blood doping can make that type of difference. the paris-nice result probably reflected armstrong's true talent level.

Are you kidding me? There are hundreds of reasons that can happen. Thats not evidence lol.
 
goober said:
Are you kidding me? There are hundreds of reasons that can happen. Thats not evidence lol.

um...wrong. sorry.
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armstrong bragged the reason that he outperformed ullrich in july was because he never got off the bike in the winter and never put on more than a couple of pounds. why then was he destroyed in the prologue of paris-nice...by a ton of french riders no less...

even lemond in 1994, when he was supposedly old and fat and competing against a completely charged peloton, managed 20th in the tour prologue.

armstrong simply never had the natural talent. deal with it.
 
Big Doopie said:
in 2005 armstrong had an abysmal paris-nice prologue. something like 140th.

he abandoned a couple stages later.

he went off to tenerife where he met with ferrari.

two weeks later he was with the top 20 at tour de flandres.

btw lemond, hinault, fignon, merckx, anquetil never finished 140th in an itt. only blood doping can make that type of difference. the paris-nice result probably reflected armstrong's true talent level.

This statement is only outdone by the clown who compared LA to the Sandusky case. Get a clue.
 
BotanyBay said:
Admins:

Can we please keep this thread as a literal depository for the actual evidence content itself? The only posts allowed will be the evidence quotes and the sources. Please delete any other kinds of messages.

Others: Please don't debate in this thread. Bring that to the "LA/USADA II" thread. Feel free to quote POSTS from this thread, but don't argue in here.

For once, I'd like this forum to have an "easy to reference" aspect to it.

Thanks everyone. Bash me in the other thread (if you must).

Please don't debate in this thread.
 
JRTinMA said:
This statement is only outdone by the clown who compared LA to the Sandusky case. Get a clue.

a great comparison actually.

140th in a prologue...

tell me if merckx ever finished 140th? lemond? hinault? in a prologue? a race of truth?

then armstrong suddenly drops out of paris-nice to hook up with ferrari in tenerife, and is suddenly back in form.

the more that comes out it is evident that without ferrari, the uci protection and blood doping, armstrong = the epitome of donkey to racehorse.

sorry to break it to you.

real sorry.

i'm crying for you...even though armstrong told me not to.
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Big Doopie said:
in 2005 armstrong had an abysmal paris-nice prologue. something like 140th.

he abandoned a couple stages later.

he went off to tenerife where he met with ferrari.

two weeks later he was with the top 20 at tour de flandres.

btw lemond, hinault, fignon, merckx, anquetil never finished 140th in an itt. only blood doping can make that type of difference. the paris-nice result probably reflected armstrong's true talent level.

Not to split hairs, but I doubt that. One of the myths about him touted by LA fans is that he's not a quitter, but in fact he's quit more times than most. He's dropped out of a lot of races - so long as they weren't the Tour. In this case when he saw he wasn't going well he probably backed off to several notches lower on the pain scale.

Regarding Tenerife, I remember reading several times about him training there, so I don't think it was a secret. What went on there was a secret :D, but not the training there.
 
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TubularBills said:
Please don't debate in this thread.

Laughing at you because posts 61 thru 69 were just an example of people either debating,,, or plain ole comments and you said nothing about it. Depends on the message of the debate I guess.

Since it seems comments are ok depending on the message …..I have one……I would be interested to read more about the baby carriage smuggling evidence. That would provide some interesting reading.
 
The latest SoS blog has a detailed discussion of several objections raised by LA/UCI, and I was particularly was glad to see him address the argument that it’s too far back in time. This article contains many other useful links, I particularly recommend this very sharp and detailed rebuttal of LA/UCI legal arguments.

And this characteris definitely an acquired taste, but punctures a lot of myths. Loved his closing statement, when he lists all the things the peloton is not afraid of--"sprint stage scrums", traffic furniture, alpine descents, etc.--but they are chickensh-t to call LA what he really is.
 
Race Radio said:
Over the next 10 days there will be a flood of evidence against lance. It starts today
AFLD Claims Armstrong Was Regularly Tipped Off About Tests

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Glenn_Wilson said:
Laughing at you because posts 61 thru 69 were just an example of people either debating,,, or plain ole comments and you said nothing about it. Depends on the message of the debate I guess.

Since it seems comments are ok depending on the message …..I have one……I would be interested to read more about the baby carriage smuggling evidence. That would provide some interesting reading.

I figured people could stick to the plan. They can't. I'm too busy at work to keep up with nipping at everyone's heels on this.

Everyone:

If you have evidence to share, put it here. If you want to discuss what we've posted in this thread, please, do it on the Phase II thread
 
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m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/aug/26/lance-armstrong-doping-whistleblowers?cat=sport&type=article

The witness list will grow, but be filled with people who kept quite for years in order to avoid the harassment Mike, Emma, Betsy, David, and so many others were targets of
 
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JRTinMA said:
This statement is only outdone by the clown who compared LA to the Sandusky case. Get a clue.

Perhaps you are the clueless one, because there are many parallels between Armstrong and Sandusky:

1) Both are sociopaths.

2) Both were revered sports figures in their respective communities.

3) Both committed crimes that were covered up by various institutions.

4) Both used their foundations to support claims of their innocence.

5) Both attempted to destroy potential witnesses.
 
Turner29 said:
Perhaps you are the clueless one, because there are many parallels between Armstrong and Sandusky:

1) Both are sociopaths.

2) Both were revered sports figures in their respective communities.

3) Both committed crimes that were covered up by various institutions.

4) Both used their foundations to support claims of their innocence.

5) Both attempted to destroy potential witnesses.

Whether there is basis or not for the comparison, all analogies will break down.

Thus, not looking to diminish either of you, but is any of this dialog strictly related to 'Evidence'?

Could you pull it into the other thread?

Dave.
 
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Seriously guys. Don't make me pull-out the fat-guy graphic again. You wanna debate the evidence? Go to Phase II

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The Doctors


Michele Ferrari

Ferrari spent a week per month with Armstrong during the spring, and was with him full time during weeks leading up to the Tour. Ferrari flew with Armstrong to training camps off the coast of Africa, to Texas, to Spain, wherever the athlete was undergoing his meticulous process of training, testing, and training.
(Legal Complications on Steroids, Page 2 at bottom)


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Paging Dr. Ferrari | Bicycling 2006 | Bill Gifford exposé



David Walsh on the Ferrari 'Scoop':

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DW: Yes, that was just so cynical, and I was such a bloody idiot when I look back. How naive was I. I discovered that Lance was going to Ferrari through an Italian police source, who was a very good man, subsequently died of cancer in his 40's. Fulvio, really nice man. He sent me faxes showing me the times that Lance had been in the town of Ferrara, showing the hotels he'd been in, and how many times he stayed.

And in a relatively short period of time, the guy was visiting Ferrari for three or four days at a time, and maybe once every three or four months. So we're talking about sixteen days over two years or something like that. And so I get all this information, and remember, Lance has produced his autobiography, it's come out maybe a year before, and the name Michele Ferrari does not appear in this book. He had never publicly spoken about Ferrari, and so this is quite a big story, that he's actually going. Because at this time Ferrari was being investigated for doping, shortly after he would be charged, sent to trial. So it was quite a big story.

But I wanted to give Lance the opportunity to respond to this. On Thursday afternoon I contacted Bill Stapleton, I said, "Bill, I've got some stuff, evidence that suggests Lance has been visiting Michele Ferrari, the notorious Italian doctor."

And Bill said, "Would you mind sending us what information you've got, and we will respond then."

So I sent off an email, "These are the names of the hotels, these are the dates that Lance was there." I heard nothing from Stapleton, sent another email, still no response, and according to Pierre Bergonzi, La Gazzetta dello Sport journalist who interviewed Lance the following day (I contacted Bill Stapleton on Thursday, Bergonzi interviewed Lance on Friday), and according to Pierre Bergonzi, at the end of the interview, Lance said to him, "You haven't asked me about Michele Ferrari."

And Bergonzi kinda said, "Why would I ask you about Ferrrari?"

And Lance said, "He and I are now working together, because we're going to make an attack on the world hour record." And that was front page story on the following day's La Gazzetta dello Sport. It was Lance and Stapleton's way of spiking, of undermining my story, making sure that the Sunday Times wasn't going to be the first newspaper to mention the connection...they had gotten their explanation in before the story had appeared. It was all about a unique collaboration to make an attack on the world hour record.


(Full Interview | NY Velo City)



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Greg Lemond's Reaction:

"On the matter of whether the public could believe in the integrity of his compatriot, LeMond chose his words carefully. “If this story is true,” he said, “it is the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If it’s not, it is the greatest fraud.”

(Full Story)



Armstrong Comes Under a Cloud

"The team, Armstrong believes, was 'white as snow,"' the article continues. "That is not what his one-time teammate says. This rider tells of a decision by certain members of the Motorola squad to use the blood-boosting drug erythropoietin (EPO) during the 1995 season: 'The contract with our main sponsor was up for renewal and we needed results. It was as simple as that."'

(Full Story)



Landis on Ferrari and USPS : ESPN | Bonnie Ford

In the same e-mail, Landis said he worked with Armstrong's personal trainer, Dr. Michele Ferrari of Italy, who consulted with several riders on the Postal team at the height of Armstrong's career. Ferrari helped Landis with the extraction and re-transfusion of his own blood during one session in St. Moritz, Switzerland, in 2002, according to Landis.

"I paid [Ferrari] $10,000 [that season]," Landis told ESPN.com. "He only accepted cash. His normal fee is 10 percent of your salary."

"I mean, he's one of the best references," Landis said of Ferrari, who worked with numerous top cyclists. In 2004, Ferrari was convicted of sporting fraud and abusing his medical license by an Italian court, but later succeeded in having that judgment reversed on appeal. "I didn't wish to take the risks on my own and especially since it was fairly clear that his advice was endorsed by Lance himself," Landis said in the ESPN.com interview. "And therefore Johan and the other guys that knew of it and were involved -- working with him, they'd understand the risks that I was taking as well and therefore trust me."

Landis also said he and Armstrong discussed the efficacy of the then-newly developed test for EPO in 2002.

(Full Story)



Anderson Testimony on Ferrari

15. During the USPS Team December training camp in 2003, Lance Armstrong assigned Mike Anderson the task of transporting Michele Ferrari from Austin Bergstrom International Airport to Lance Armstrong's cabin off ********* Road in Austin, Texas, where Ferrari stayed during the training camp. Lance Armstrong told Mike Anderson that he did not want Ferrari staying at the Four Seasons Hotel with the USPS team because of the media.

19. Additional evidence that Armstrong knew Anderson had discovered his box of steroids is this: Armstrong cut short his stay in Girona., explaining that it was too cold and rainy and that he was going to the Canary Islands to train. This struck Anderson as strange, since until then, Armstrong trained in rain or shine. Armstrong and Crow, along with Dr. Michele Ferrari, who has been associated with steroids, left Spain for the Canary Islands…

21. On June 28, 2004, Lance Armstrong sent Anderson an email that included this statement by Armstrong: "tests are good (even schumi is psyched) and we're all ready to go for 6!" This email is Attachment F hereto. Lance Armstrong's reference to "schumi" was the codename he used at the time for Dr. Michele Ferrari.

(Full Testimony Here)



Italian investigators reported as tracing $465,000 payment from Armstrong to Ferrari in 2006

"La Gazzetta dello Sport reports that a long investigation into Michelle Ferrari by the Padua prosecutor Benedetto Roberti have shown the transferral of large sums of money. One payment of $465,000 was reportedly made by Armstrong to Ferrari in 2006."

(Full Story)



SI reports new information in the case against Lance Armstrong

One of the perks of traveling with Armstrong, former USPS rider Floyd Landis recalls, was frequent trips on private airline charters. Private airports often subject travelers to less stringent customs checks. But Landis tells SI about the day in 2003 that he, Armstrong and team members flew into St. Moritz, where customs officials requested that they open their duffel bags for a search. "Lance had a bag of drugs and s---," says Landis. "They wanted to search it, which was out of the ordinary." Sifting through Armstrong's bag, agents found syringes and drugs with labels written in Spanish. As Landis recounts, Armstrong then asked a member of his contingent to convince the agents that the drugs were vitamins and that the syringes were for vitamin injections. The agents "looked at us sideways," says Landis, "but let us through." (Armstrong denies that this incident ever occurred.)

Armstrong won that year's Tour de France by a scant 61 seconds over his archrival, Jan Ullrich of Germany. It was by far the narrowest of his seven Tour victories.

When Italian police and customs officials raided the home of longtime Armstrong teammate Yarolslav Popovych last November, they discovered documents and PEDs as well as texts and e-mails linking Armstrong's team to controversial Italian physician Michele Ferrari as recently as 2009, though Armstrong had said he cut ties with Ferrari in 2004.

(Full Story)



Doctor Doctor: Michele Ferrari

A Historical Chart of Clients
 
sniper said:
On LA's part.

In retrospect: The deal with P&H -- they claim jurisdiction and LA doesn't turn on them -- was clearly a bad idea because (a) it was bound to fail, (b) LA now looses all his 7 tdfs, where he could have kept 5 and (c) P&H will get their as§es exposed anyway.

:eek: Wow!!!! Unbelievable that he still wanted to keep 7!!!! :eek:
 
The Good Doctor


Dr. Prentice Steffen on USPS TDF 2005

"After the publication of his testimony about Jemison and Hamilton in an article in the Sunday Times of London in 2001 when he expressed his certainty that US Postal had begun doping, Dr. Steffen received a phone call from Armstrong in which he threatened him in the following terms (the same that he used against Greg LeMond and Mike Anderson, his former personal assistant): "I have a lot of money, good lawyers, and if you continue to talk, I'll destroy you."


L'EQUIPE
October 6, 2005, page 12.
English translation of "Ce qui s'est passe sur le Tour 2005".

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Prentice Steffen, USA, 44 years old

-Specialist in both Emergency Medicine, in San Francisco (USA), and Sports Medicine

-Worked successively for the cycling teams Subaru-Montgomery (1993-1995), US Postal (1996), Mercury (1998-2002), Prime Alliance (2003), Health Net (2004), then TIAA-CREF (2005)

Prentice Steffen, the ex-doctor for US Postal let go at the end of 1996 for not wanting to respond to the doping trend, reveals the new practices of the peloton.

"What happened during the 2005 Tour (de France)"

Dr. Prentice Steffen, his diplomas attest to the fact, is a model doctor. Specialist in both Emergency Medicine and Sports Medicine, he worked for four years, from 1993-1996, with the American cyclists of the teams Subaru-Montgomery then US Postal. In 1996, "during the height of the reign of EPO", his riders were totally destroyed during the Tour of Switzerland and two among them, Marty Jemison and Tyler Hamilton, asked him in veiled words to help them dope. He refused and alerted the team directors. At the end of the year, his contract was not renewed and one morning the mailman delivered him a registered letter with the intimidation order to not talk about his experience in the heart of US Postal. "A few months later," he remembers, "the nine riders of the team rode the Champs-Elysees of the finish of the 1997 Tour de France. I realized they'd move on to EPO...". Today, despite threats from Lance Armstrong (1), Dr. Steffen is still in the milieu (of cycling). He takes care of a team of young American professionals (TIAA-CREF) which disputed the latest edition of the Tour de l'Avenir.

L'EQUIPE:

With all that you know about doping and the practices of a part of the peloton, why are you involved with young cyclists"

STEFFEN:

The pressure to dope for riders under the age of 25 is not so strong. Big teams don't want to see young guys arrive in their ranks with an already bad reputation. There's also the fact of being able to race in France. It's easier. If we come to race in France, with our team of young riders, it's not because our sponsor loves Avignon and Provence, but rather because we know we have a better chance to do well, even win. Thanks to the fear of the police, thanks to the journalists, and thanks to the fight against doping in place in your country. French riders, maybe due to these forces, have tried to change. We only race in your country and in the United States.

L'EQUIPE:

Your young riders are knowledgeable about doping?

STEFFEN:

They have a very clear understanding about things and about the environment they're in. To be among the best, one has to dope. For them, it's certain. I don't think they doubt it for an instant. But there are people fighting to change this situation. Jonathon Vaughters, the director of our team, is working to make it so that there is another path. But if things don't change, riders who are 20 years old today, in five years will have to make a choice: stop racing or dope.

L'EQUIPE:

Is it possible today to recognize those who'll take that step?

STEFFEN:

Even if we had a team psychologist who knew each rider intimately, who fully understood the problem of doping, I'm not sure he could know. If someone had asked me this question about Tyler Hamilton 10 or 11 years ago, I would've said: "He'll never do it. He's too honest, too well raised, too hard working... ". But that's not how it works. Unpleasant people like Lance Armstrong dope and nice people like Tyler Hamilton also dope. There's a moment when they waver. As if they don't have a choice. The only other solution would be to stop cycling. But they see themselves with a future, without a job. I think a rider with a college degree or from a family with money will be less likely to get involved in doping. But that's just a theory; Tyler Hamilton has a degree... he probably had other options. That proves that at a certain point there's something stronger that anything else that pushes a rider in (to doping). Maybe glory, maybe money.

L'EQUIPE:

Why, after all the difficulties you've endured, do you continue to work in this milieu (cycling)?

STEFFEN:

I love cycling. I've been in cycling for 26 years, since I was in college. But I promised myself something, and my wife can serve as witness: if Hamilton is declared innocent and nothing happens to Lance, I'll quit, I'll quit cycling once and for all. I'll believe there's no longer any hope. For now though, I'm optimistic. I'm a believer in using everything in the judicial arsenal to combat doping: increase the number of out-of-competition tests and better target the times they're done, freeze specimens and authorize their analysis and retrospective sanctions. And callon, when it's necessary, the police and the border controls. Above all, the UCI (Union Cycliste Internationale) should be completely out of this fight against doping because their is corruption there. That's my opinion, I don't have any proof, just doubts and a few rumors...

L'EQUIPE:

Aren't you a bit radical?

STEFFEN:

It's this way and only this way that we will really be able to combat doping. I'll explain something I've been told relating to certain teams in the 2005 Tour and you'll understand where this sport has gone...

L'EQUIPE:

Who told you?

STEFFEN:

Someone in the heart of a team that I can't name. Before going to the start of the Tour, the riders of certain teams, during their training camps, took EPO (which disappears from the urine within three days, even 12 hours when small doses are used) and took their hematocrits up to around 60. Then a doctor withdraws their blood, saving it in special containers, to lower their blood parameters into the accepted range (50) so that they pass without difficulty the medical controls before the Tour. Then, as the teams well know, during the race the vampires (2) can arrive any day but always between 7 and 8 in the morning. After that time, there is no more testing and the riders were able to reinject their own blood. They were racing the stage with an enormous advantage- their hemotrocrit in the 55 to 58 range during the race- then in the evening at the hotel, someone again withdraws their blood so that they sleep without risk (3) and, especially, they escape the possible tests the next morning.

L'EQUIPE:

This practice was used every evening during the three weeks of the Tour?

STEFFEN:

No, just for important stages in the mountains or maybe for a time trial. It's so simple to do and there's no risk of being caught unless the police intervene. The blood was shuttled by motorcycle in a refrigerated compartment...

L'EQUIPE:

Autotransfusions (where one injects his own blood) are indetectable. Can nothing be done to stop it?

STEFFEN:

Yes. The vampires should come take the blood samples just before the start near the start line. It's the only solution. Or otherwise, once again we must call on the police...


DOMINIQUE and JEAN ISSARTEL


(1) After the publication of his testimony about Jemison and Hamilton in an article in the Sunday Times of London in 2001 when he expressed his certainty that US Postal had begun doping, Dr. Steffen received a phone call from Armstrong in which he threatened him in the following terms (the same that he used against Greg LeMond and Mike Anderson, his former personal assistant): "I have a lot of money, good lawyers, and if you continue to talk, I'll destroy you."

(2) The UCI antidoping control officers are thus nicknamed in cycling.

(3) When certain blood parameters (hemoglobin, hematocrit) are too high, there is a real risk of blood clots due to thickening of the blood.

(4) UCI antidoping rules sayin article 135 that "a test can be carried out in competion or out-of-competition at any time and at any place without warning". In this particular case, no rider can be declared positive because autotransfusions are indetectable. But if the blood parameters are abnormal, the authorities can forbid the rider to continue the race and can impose a rest period of 15 days.
 
Trash Dump 2000


December 12, 2000
Product at centre of Armstrong controversy is banned


"I will say that the substance on people's minds, Activ-o-something (Actovegin) is new to me. Before this ordeal I had never heard of it, nor had my teammates."

Armstrong said that the wide spectrum of drugs and medical products found were simply necessary tools to treat 25 to 50 people on the Tour de France over three weeks.

Actovegin

More from Anderson:

14. Before Armstrong won the 2004 Tour de France, during a training ride near Austin, Armstrong and Anderson discussed the situation of a world famous professional bicyclist from Belgium, Johan Museeuw, who had been caught using steroids and banned from competition. Armstrong looked directly into the eyes of Anderson and told him, "Everyone does it." Anderson understood that this statement by Lance Armstrong was an admission that to Anderson that Armstrong was using steroids and a request from Armstrong to Anderson to indicate he was "okay" with this fact. Anderson did not say anything in response to Armstrong to indicate he was "okay" with cheating by using steroids. Anderson sensed because of the way that Armstrong made this statement, Armstrong expected a supportive response from Anderson, and Armstrong reacted coldly when Anderson did not give him a supportive response. Anderson declined to say he understood that everyone used steroids. After this exchange, there was more distance between them than before this exchange. Armstrong's statement bothered and disillusioned Anderson.

17. In early 2004, just before Armstrong and Crow arrived, when cleaning out the bathroom of Armstrong's apartment in Girona, Spain, Anderson found a box of what he believed were steroids. The box was white with red and black lettering, and had a normal label like any other prescription, there was no doctor's prescription attached. Both the trademark name and the pharmacological name were on the front of the box. The trademark name was Androstenin or something very close to this. When Anderson made this discovery, he was alarmed and worried. He did not know what to do. He went to the computer, looked it up on the WADA or USADA website(s), and confirmed that what he had found was an androgen - a listed banned substance.

(Full Transcript)

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