The Evidence

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It is said that the 1999 corticosteroid positive test was not in the positive range.

I think it should be clarified with a link, that at this time there was no "borderline" for positive or not positive.

 

[Turner29]

I just spent the day riding and need to work the date. I do have one question: when did the disgraced and stripped 7-time Tour de France doper start living in Aspen, CO?

I suspect "altitude training," which really is a myth, could be a masking attempt.

 

[TubularBills]

2001 Tour de Suisse - EPO + UCI Coverup

"Ashenden’s concern does not relate to the alleged use of banned substances such as EPO or human growth hormone, but an alleged cover up of a doping control at the 2001 Tour de Suisse.

Armstrong took part in the race and, according to USADA, several witnesses have given testimony that Armstrong told them that a positive test had been covered up. Two former teammates, Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton, have both gone on record to substantiate the claims.

USADA’s letter of notification also includes reference to their own interview with the Lausanne lab director, Dr Martial Saugy, who conducted the tests in 2001. Saugy told USADA that Armstrong’s samples were indicative of EPO use."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-case-against-armstrong-could-damage-uci-ashenden-says

 

[Turner29]

Moreover, a question I have is that said disgraced and stripped 7-time Tour de France doper once had the nickname of Mr. 49.9% Does the USADA have access to TdF health check data? Will this be made public?

More important, why haven't frozen samples been tested?

 

[palmerq]

this thread is for links and stuff, keep the questions and discussion for the other million threads on it... the clarification above is a good point though, it can stay

 

[Berzin]

It is said that the 1999 corticosteroid positive test was not in the positive range.

I think it should be clarified with a link, that at this time there was no "borderline" for positive or not positive.

If there was no borderline, than any amount is tantamount to a positive test, just like with Contador and the clenbuterol positive.

We need to make it clear also that the doctor who presented Armstrong with the backdated TUE was del Moral.

I don't know why this is never brought up when this incident is talked about.

 

[TubularBills]

1999 Corticosteroids (Continued)

It is said that the 1999 corticosteroid positive test was not in the positive range.

I think it should be clarified with a link, that at this time there was no "borderline" for positive or not positive.

"In 1999, while Armstrong was on his way to his first Tour victory after beating cancer, a French newspaper received a tip that Armstrong had tested positive for a corticosteroid and had no therapeutic use exemption (TUE) on his medical form. Armstrong, who was riding for the Postal team, had just said in a press conference that he did not have any prescriptions for banned products. When the team discovered that the newspaper had received the tip, panic hit Armstrong and his inner-circle, according to Emma O'Reilly, a soigneur from Ireland who worked with the team and specifically with Armstrong. She (Emma O'Reilly) was in the hotel room after the 15th Tour stage when, she says, Armstrong and team officials devised a plan.

"They agreed to backdate a medical prescription," O'Reilly tells SI. "They'd gotten a heads up that [Armstrong's] steroid count was high and decided they would actually do a backdated prescription and pretend it was something for saddle sores."

In violation of its own protocol requiring a TUE for use of such a drug, officials from the UCI announced that Armstrong had used a corticosteroid for his skin and his positive result was excused. O'Reilly also told SI that, just before the start of the '99 Tour, Armstrong asked her to use some of her cosmetics to cover up injection marks on his arm, though O'Reilly does not know what substance Armstrong had injected. O'Reilly made these same allegations in a 2004 book about Armstrong, published only in French, called L.A. Confidentiel. Armstrong subsequently filed a libel suit against O'Reilly, the book's authors and its publisher. He also sued The Sunday Times of London for reprinting the allegations in a review of the book. (Armstrong settled The Times case for an apology and recovery of his legal costs, and dropped the others.)"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/23/lance.armstrong/index.html

 

[babastooey]

I have Lance's receipt from Amazon.com for a Whizzinator. And I'ms-a-going straight to Wikileaks with that puppy!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But the important thing is that Armstrong defenders say, that the cortico positive was in a low-range-non-positive amount. I have read in the clinic that this is not true. There was no such borderline back then, in 1999.

@ mods: remove that little discussion after the problem is solved with a confirming link.

Thanks in advance.

 

[TubularBills]

Dr. del Moral, USPS Physician 1999 to 2003

If there was no borderline, than any amount is tantamount to a positive test, just like with Contador and the clenbuterol positive.

We need to make it clear also that the doctor who presented Armstrong with the backdated TUI was del Moral.

I don't know why this is never brought up when this incident is talked about.

"Dr. del Moral, of Valencia, Spain, was the team physician for the USPS Cycling Team from 1999 through 2003. Until recently Dr. del Moral was affiliated with a sports medicine clinic in Valencia, Spain. USADA’s evidence is that after 2003, Dr. del Moral assisted individual cyclists, including a number of former USPS team members, with their doping. The evidence in Dr. del Moral’s case demonstrated that from 2000 he was intimately involved in the prohibited method of blood transfusions which cyclists use to boost the number of circulating red blood cells to increase the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood and increase endurance. Dr. del Moral brought riders to his sports medicine clinic in Valencia, Spain where he withdrew blood for prohibited blood transfusions. Dr. del Moral also assisted with saline infusions in order to keep the rider’s blood levels below threshold levels to avoid detection of their drug use. In addition to blood transfusions and saline infusions, Dr. del Moral administered banned performance- enhancing drugs including EPO, testosterone, corticosteroids and hGH to cyclists by providing these drugs to them, recommending the use of these drugs and directly injecting riders with these prohibited drugs."

http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-usps7102012

 

[hrotha]

But the important thing is that Armstrong defenders say, that the cortico positive was in a low-range-non-positive amount. I have read in the clinic that this is not true. There was no such borderline back then, in 1999.

@ mods: remove that little discussion after the problem is solved with a confirming link.

Thanks in advance.

I'd be interested in getting that cleared too, since it's something I hear frequently, not necessarily from Armstrong advocates. It would be nice to be able to refute that argument with one handy link.

(Move/delete this post as appropriate)

 

[krebs303]

http://www.dopeology.org/people/Lance_Armstrong/
a lot of links to various Lance incidents
oh yeah not just lance

 

[TubularBills]

Which Drugs Is Lance Armstrong Accused of Taking?

Erythropoietin (EPO), also known as “E,” “Po,” “Edgar” or “Edgar Allen Poe,” among other names. EPO is used by athletes to increase the number of red blood cells in their circulatory system which are available to carry oxygen. … Even after the EPO urine test was developed and implemented in sport in late 2000 EPO was difficult to detect and the Respondents [Armstrong, a team director, team captain and team doctors] implemented a number of means to avoid detection of EPO use, including: micro-dosing (i.e., using smaller amounts of EPO to reduce the clearance time of the drug), intravenous injections (i.e., injecting the drug directly into the vein rather than subcutaneously to reduce clearance time), saline, plasma or glycerol infusions (described below) and various effort to avoid testing by drug testers at times that EPO might still be detectable in the riders’ urine. … Multiple riders with firsthand knowledge will testify that between 1998 and 2005 Armstrong personally used EPO and on multiple occasions distributed EPO to other riders.

Blood transfusions (a/k/a “blood doping”). Blood transfusions generally involve the extraction of an athlete’s own blood pre-competition and re-infusion of that blood shortly before or during competition (e.g., in the evening or on a rest day in a multistage race) to increase the athlete’s oxygen carrying red blood cells. By increasing the number of circulating red blood cells, transfusions increase the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood and enhance endurance and recovery. No effective anti-doping test has yet been implemented to detect autologous transfusions (i.e., transfusions of an athlete’s own blood). … Multiple riders will testify that during the period 2000-2005 Armstrong used blood transfusions, was observed having blood re-infused, including during the Tour de France, and had blood doping equipment at his residence.

Testosterone. Also known on the USPS and Discovery Channel cycling teams as “oil.” Testosterone is an anabolic agent and can increase muscle mass and strength. In smaller doses anabolic agents such as testosterone can promote muscle recovery from strenuous exercise and increase endurance. Andriol consists of testosterone undecanoate, a steroid which can be mixed with oil and taken orally. Taken in this way the drug can be absorbed into the lymphatic system without being transported to the liver, making the drug more effective and reducing the prospect of liver damage. Multiple riders who competed on the USPS and Discovery Channel teams from 1998 through 2007 have reported that Dr. Ferrari [an alleged co-conspirator] developed a method of mixing testosterone (i.e., andriol) with olive oil for oral administration. … USADA has eyewitness statements from multiple sources that Lance Armstrong used testosterone and administered the testosterone-olive oil mixture to himself and other riders.

Human Growth Hormone (hGH). Human growth hormone is improperly used in sport to increase strength and lean muscle mass, to assist in weight loss and promote recovery. Multiple riders who competed on the USPS and Discovery Channel teams from 1998 through 2007 have reported to USADA that team director Johan Bruyneel, team trainer Jose Pepe Marti and team doctors Luis del Moral and Pedro Celaya provided human growth hormone to team members.

Corticosteroids (e.g., cortisone). These drugs reduce inflammation, assist in recovery and can provide a burst of energy and create a temporary feeling of increased energy and well-being. Throughout the relevant time period, corticosteroids were improperly provided to cyclists by team doctors and trainers to increase energy and enhance performance. … USADA will also rely upon firsthand testimony from witnesses who were aware of Armstrong’s use of cortisone without medical authorization.

Saline and plasma infusions. Throughout much of the relevant period the UCI [Union Cycliste International] employed a blood monitoring program and would not permit riders to compete if the rider’s hematocrit (i.e., percentage of mature red blood cells) exceeded 50%. To avoid exceeding the 50% hematocrit threshold and to prevent detection of the rider’s EPO use and/or blood transfusions, Respondents used the prohibited technique of saline, plasma or glycerol infusions to mask their use of prohibited substances and/or methods. … USADA will also present testimony concerning infusions given to numbers USPS riders, including Lance Armstrong.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/08/24/which-drugs-is-lance-armstrong-accused-of-taking/

 

[TubularBills]

Long shot...

Hemassist

In the late 1990s, according to a source with knowledge of the government's investigation of Armstrong, the Texan gained access to a drug, in clinical trial, called HemAssist, developed by Baxter Healthcare Corp. HemAssist was to be used for cases of extreme blood loss. In animal studies, it had been shown to boost the blood's oxygen-carrying capacity, without as many risks as EPO. (Armstrong, through his lawyer, denies ever taking HemAssist.)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/index.html#ixzz24bjqqsrY

The Science of Sport Discussion:

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/01/drug-of-2011-hemassist-and-armstrong.html

& Bicycling:

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/2011/01/18/talking-points/

and an interesting equine based discussion of the ramifications of changes in testing protocol post Armstrong:

http://www.horsejunkiesunited.com/2012/08/25/lance-armstrong-and-doping-controls-what-this-case-could-mean-for-equestrian-sports/

 

[TubularBills]

WADA Supports USADA. UCI "smells of corruption:"

WADA letter to UCI: (Thanks RR)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/102398382/WADA-Letter-to-UCI

John Fahey, WADA slamming Lance:

http://www.zimbio.com/Travis+Tygart/articles/eK6JggMt2X3/WADA+head+John+Fahey+says+Armstrong+stance

”He had a right to contest the charges. He chose not to,” Fahey said. ”The simple fact is that his refusal to examine the evidence means the charges had substance in them. Under the rules, penalties can now be imposed.”

Phil Anderson on the UCI:

Anderson has previously admitted publicly that he was ashamed of the sport following the Festina affair in 1998 and says now that the real concern is with cycling's governing body. USADA's evidence against Armstrong is said to have included an alleged cover up of a doping control at the 2001 Tour de Suisse, with witnesses reiterating earlier claims made by Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton that a positive test for EPO was covered up. The UCI denies the claim and began proceedings against Landis.

"That sort of smells of corruption at the highest level within the sport and if that is the case, it's hard to make comment," Anderson told Cyclingnews. "It would be very disappointing if that is the case because these are the people (UCI) that run our sport.

"They're [the UCI is] in dangerous territory I guess and they will want the whole thing to go away. It's not good for the sport to have this sort of publicity. It's like a bad dream for them, I'm sure."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/anderson-maintains-support-for-armstrong

 

[zigmeister]

haha...what a load of garbage.

20 minutes.

Yes, you are going to get Test, EPO and such out of your system in 20 minutes...what a bunch of non-scientific nonsense...rofl.

I also loved the comment about microdosing.

I guess since nobody knew what microdosing was 5yrs ago, Lance was way beyond the curve on that theory and put it into great use.

 

[Benotti69]

haha...what a load of garbage.

20 minutes.

Yes, you are going to get Test, EPO and such out of your system in 20 minutes...what a bunch of non-scientific nonsense...rofl.

I also loved the comment about microdosing.

I guess since nobody knew what microdosing was 5yrs ago, Lance was way beyond the curve on that theory and put it into great use.

So he didn't dope? Hurrah! He was clean, i knew it, haters!

 

[sniper]

haha...what a load of garbage.

20 minutes.

Yes, you are going to get Test, EPO and such out of your system in 20 minutes...what a bunch of non-scientific nonsense...rofl.

I also loved the comment about microdosing.

I guess since nobody knew what microdosing was 5yrs ago, Lance was way beyond the curve on that theory and put it into great use.

zig, it's not really about Lance anymore. come to grips with that.

LA is gonna get his *** spanked all over the place irrespective of the type and amount of evidence that is coming out in the next few days. lots of people who want their money back, and who don't seem all that interested in seeing the actual evidence. USADA's verdict will be more than sufficient to them.

the collection and diffusion of this type of evidence is necessary, however, first and foremost to assure that cycling's governing body goes down and generally to diminish the chances that fraud of this size repeats itself.

so it's not about Lance "shot myself in the foot" Armstrong.

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong hotel search cancelled in 2005

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-armstrong-hotel-search-cancelled-in-2005

the lengths to cover the fraud are truly mindboggling.

A planned police search of Lance Armstrong’s Discovery Channel team hotel during the 2005 Tour de France was called off at the last minute, according to a report in the Journal du dimanche newspaper.


“I don’t know who gave this order but I know that the investigators were furious that they had to pull back. On that evidence, Lance Armstrong was well protected in France.”

How people can still believe this guy did it clean is sad.

Some level playing field.

 

[Race Radio]

haha...what a load of garbage.

20 minutes.

Yes, you are going to get Test, EPO and such out of your system in 20 minutes...what a bunch of non-scientific nonsense...rofl.

I also loved the comment about microdosing.

I guess since nobody knew what microdosing was 5yrs ago, Lance was way beyond the curve on that theory and put it into great use.

You are confused (Again)

If you read the article you will find what a doper like Armstrong can do in 20 minutes, transfuse a bag of plasma to bring his values down

he took 30 minutes during showergate and delayed testers twice for an hour at the 2009 Tour

Microdosing has been around for a long time. Both Tyler and Floyd mention Armstrong doing it in in 2003. One of the key reasons is to correct the bad off score that comes from transfusions

The UCI began tracking Off-Score in 2003. Tyler was warned of his off score in early 2004, levi in 2005. They fixed it through microdosing.

Normal off score is 85, even though he knew he was getting tested lance's was 113 during his comeback. Those numbers, coupled with witnesses testimony of EPO use and transfusions, are key evidence in USADA's case

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-armstrong-hotel-search-cancelled-in-2005

the lengths to cover the fraud are truly mindboggling.



How people can still believe this guy did it clean is sad.

Some level playing field.

The search was planned for Pau on the 2nd rest day. The perfect time to do it. Not sure if they would have found anything though as the transfusions would have been done the night before

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Ferminal, Palmercq, or Susan:

Can you throw out "Zigmeister´s" nonsense here? It´s about the evidence, not his absurd opinions.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Race Radio]

“In my opinion, his results during the 2009 Tour de France are consistent with the use of blood transfusion,” Ashenden told the News,

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...titles-article-1.1144779?pgno=1#ixzz24exoqM9L

 

[mastersracer]

3 positives for Testosterone



Armstrong's testosterone-epitestosterone ratio was reported to be higher than normal on three occasions between 1993 and 1996, but in each case the test was dismissed by the UCLA lab of renowned anti-doping expert Don Catlin, whose lab tested the Texan some two dozen times between 1990 and 2000. In addition to detailing those test results, SI reveals what appears to have been a reluctance from USOC officials to sanction athletes using performance-enhancing drugs.

In 1999, USA Cycling sent a formal request to Catlin for past test results -- specifically, testosterone-epitestosterone ratios -- for a cyclist identified only by his drug-testing code numbers. A source with knowledge of the request says that the cyclist was Armstrong. In a letter responding to those requests, Catlin informed USA Cycling that his lab could not recover five of the cyclist's test results. Of the results that could be found, "three stand out," SI reports: "a 9.0-to-1 ratio from a sample collected on June 23, 1993; a 7.6-to-1 from July 7, 1994; and a 6.5-to-1 from June 4, 1996. Most people have a ratio of 1-to-1. Prior to 2005, any ratio above 6.0-to-1 was considered abnormally high and evidence of doping; in 2005 that ratio was lowered to 4.0-to-1."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/more/01/18/lance.armstrong/index.html#ixzz24bjqqsrY

Is Catlin being accused of scientific misconduct? Has UCLA investigated these accusations?

 

[TubularBills]

Signs with US Postal Service team after being dropped by Cofidis.

http://www.sportinglife.com/other-sports/news/article/678/8013978/lance-armstrong-factfile

1998: Wins Tours of Holland and Luxembourg.

According to O'Reilly, after the 1998 Tour of Holland Armstrong gave her a sack of empty syringes. "Look Emma, I didn't throw these out. Can you throw them in the trash?"

Nearly a year later, just prior to the medical checkup before the start of the 1999 Tour she said, "Armstrong asked me if I had something in my make-up bag that could be used to cover up scars from syringe injections into his upper arm, so that doctors in the control would not be suspicious."

Although Tour de France cyclists often receive vitamin injections or glucose injections, those are generally applied to the ****. According to Willy Voet, the soigneur at the heart of the 1998 Festina Affair and a self-proclaimed expert on performance-enhancing drugs recalls, "In the upper arm we injected human growth hormones, EPO, cortisone or amphetamines. Other products, like iron for example, are applied to the ****, in a place where there is enough meat."

O'Reilly also discusses Armstrong positive drug test for cortisone during the same 1999 Tour. The story broke in the French daily LeMond on the Pyrenees stage to Piau-Engaly and that evening during the massage, O'Reily recounts an emergency meeting with several staff members of the team as well as herself and Armstrong.

"What are we going to do? What are we going to do? Stay calm, stay together, don't panic. We all have to have the same story when we leave this room," a staff member said. "We had the impression that the **** was really out and we had to find an explanation. That's when we came up with the story of the cortisone cream to treat a saddle sore with a post-dated prescription."

http://www.2009tourdefrancenews.com/article/0,6610,s1-3-12-8621-1,00.html