Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Look I don't care at all about these details about races years ago, it's just that the need to consistently work out actual facts to always be in favor of belgian cyclist like some nation of Masnada is so weird.

I like both riders a lot and want to see em do well in the big races.

If you don't care, then why post BS? Why make this about nationalism? Why assume a rider you don't seem to know that well can or can not do something, and then react like a child when pointed out your assumption is wrong? If i were to say Van Wilder is a bigger talent, it'd have nothing to do with being Belgian, but with him being a bigger talent. Have you maybe considered that? While you can see and feel i rate Honoré highly, which i have stressed in every post. What i find weird, is why a simple hypothesis about a rider leaving the team, because the competition at that team for his type of races is larger, and increasing, is turned into some nationalistic bias bullsht. That's what i find weird. But hey, there are 3 Belgian riders i have claimed to be the real deal, years before breaking through at the top level. Van Aert, Evenepoel and Van Wilder. So i can understand, with that track record, since Evenepoel and Van Aert turned out to be nobodies, that you would assume i'm just talking Van Wilder up because he's Belgian. L.O.L.

Danish Nats, San Sebastián, Pologne, Druivenkoers, Bretagne, Britain, Primus Classic. No misses in between...

Oh, ignoring stages. Sure.

Maybe Honoré is more comparable to Mauro Schmid than Van Wilder?

As a type of rider, yes and no. I think Honoré has a wider base, but maybe lower top level potential, which would make him a better domestique than Schmid on hilly courses. I could see Honoré able to pull the peloton for a long time, which i don't know if Schmid would be able to do. But the thing wasn't so much about being comparable, rather than aiming for the same type of races. Evenepoel is nothing like Alaphilippe, but they will both be gunning for leadership in Liège, Lombardia etc.

 

[AlfaLum]

Schmid and Honore are definitely more comparable than van wilder and Honore.

Also while I agree that van Wilder is by far the bigger talent and I also agree that the landscape change at QS is the driver for Honore leaving, I do think that at this stage this has almost nothing to do with van Wilder. Ilan is not taking any chances away from Honore yet.

 

[tobydawq]

If you don't care, then why post BS? Why make this about nationalism? Why assume a rider you don't seem to know that well can or can not do something, and then react like a child when pointed out your assumption is wrong? If i were to say Van Wilder is a bigger talent, it'd have nothing to do with being Belgian, but with him being a bigger talent. Have you maybe considered that? While you can see and feel i rate Honoré highly, which i have stressed in every post. What i find weird, is why a simple hypothesis about a rider leaving the team, because the competition at that team for his type of races is larger, and increasing, is turned into some nationalistic bias bullsht. That's what i find weird. But hey, there are 3 Belgian riders i have claimed to be the real deal, years before breaking through at the top level. Van Aert, Evenepoel and Van Wilder. So i can understand, with that track record, since Evenepoel and Van Aert turned out to be nobodies, that you would assume i'm just talking Van Wilder up because he's Belgian. L.O.L.


Oh, ignoring stages. Sure.



As a type of rider, yes and no. I think Honoré has a wider base, but maybe lower top level potential, which would make him a better domestique than Schmid on hilly courses. I could see Honoré able to pull the peloton for a long time, which i don't know if Schmid would be able to do. But the thing wasn't so much about being comparable, rather than aiming for the same type of races. Evenepoel is nothing like Alaphilippe, but they will both be gunning for leadership in Liège, Lombardia etc.

Why wouldn't I ignore stages? Come on man...

 

[Baldinger]

Schmid and Honore are definitely more comparable than van wilder and Honore.

Honoré had the cobbled campaign on his schedule this year and I'm convinced those races suits him the best. EF, take notice.

 

[ciranda]

If you don't care, then why post BS? Why make this about nationalism? Why assume a rider you don't seem to know that well can or can not do something, and then react like a child when pointed out your assumption is wrong? If i were to say Van Wilder is a bigger talent, it'd have nothing to do with being Belgian, but with him being a bigger talent. Have you maybe considered that? While you can see and feel i rate Honoré highly, which i have stressed in every post. What i find weird, is why a simple hypothesis about a rider leaving the team, because the competition at that team for his type of races is larger, and increasing, is turned into some nationalistic bias bullsht. That's what i find weird. But hey, there are 3 Belgian riders i have claimed to be the real deal, years before breaking through at the top level. Van Aert, Evenepoel and Van Wilder. So i can understand, with that track record, since Evenepoel and Van Aert turned out to be nobodies, that you would assume i'm just talking Van Wilder up because he's Belgian. L.O.L.


Oh, ignoring stages. Sure.



As a type of rider, yes and no. I think Honoré has a wider base, but maybe lower top level potential, which would make him a better domestique than Schmid on hilly courses. I could see Honoré able to pull the peloton for a long time, which i don't know if Schmid would be able to do. But the thing wasn't so much about being comparable, rather than aiming for the same type of races. Evenepoel is nothing like Alaphilippe, but they will both be gunning for leadership in Liège, Lombardia etc.

What? I tried to reply about how weird it is to find results for van Wilder to somehow indicate he will outshine (that's a quote) another rider when this other rider has better secondary results in those same races.

I see the real hard evidence, the logic here, is that van Wilder's results were as a first year under while Honoré's were as a second year under.

The stuff about OUTSHINE are just some kind of prophecies you have received and that's great but there's no need to be condescending and write *** like decent engine and pretend like this one rider who was like 26th in the world rankings at the end of last year and who clearly has better results in the one day races would have been support rider in a fictional hierarchy.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Honoré and Van Wilder are both ***, they will be outshined by Svrcek in the future anyway

 

[StryderHells]

Matthew Dinham, Alex Edmondson and Sean Flynn sign for DSM. Dinham is another rider to graduate to the WT from Andrew Christie-Johnston‘s set-up, Porte, Bevin, Hass, O’Connor, Haig all came through the same system.

 

[yaco]

For me Dinham is a Schultz type of rider - One who has come slowly through the system. Has never been a star junior or under 23 rider but got better each year.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

What? I tried to reply about how weird it is to find results for van Wilder to somehow indicate he will outshine (that's a quote) another rider when this other rider has better secondary results in those same races.

I see the real hard evidence, the logic here, is that van Wilder's results were as a first year under while Honoré's were as a second year under.

The stuff about OUTSHINE are just some kind of prophecies you have received and that's great but there's no need to be condescending and write *** like decent engine and pretend like this one rider who was like 26th in the world rankings at the end of last year and who clearly has better results in the one day races would have been support rider in a fictional hierarchy.

Maybe you should go back and reread the entire discussion. In no post was i condescending towards Honoré. I have stated in every post that either i thought it was bad for QS, or that i rate him highly, especially for his versatility and all-roundedness. If you in some way are reading that as me being condescending, then i don't know what you are smoking. But compared to one of the biggest upcoming talents in cycling, yes, i do not rate him as highly.

And i don't need to see results of Van Wilder because in most cases i saw or followed those races, and know how good or bad he was, even if he only finished 50th. Like in Bernocchi he (imho) was the strongest guy in the race, but finished at nearly 2 minutes because after attacking and going into breaks 3 times, he then pulled for Ballerini for a while and let go of the peloton. So you don't need to tell me what he can or can not do, i have been following him since he was 17.

But maybe tell us what country your from, so i can pull the nationalistic bias card every time you enter a discussion regarding a countryman. It's no secret where i'm from, i've always been forward about it, but these BS arguments are laughable. So let's hope for your credibility that you're not Danish, right?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Van Wilder is the new Merckx , Remco is finished. No space for any other leaders on Quickstep with Van Wilder on the team. Just look at his results.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Van Wilder is the new Merckx , Remco is finished. No space for any other leaders on Quickstep with Van Wilder on the team. Just look at his results.

Imagine a battle with team Masnada. It would be glorious.
Well, not for Masnada ofcourse, but still.

 

[Escarabajo]

Not sure if it has been posted anywhere else but it sounds like it is official!

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rigoberto-uran-scraps-retirement-to-extend-with-ef-education-easypost/

 

[Mayomaniac]

Raccani (imo one of the most talented pure climber in the Italian u23 ranks) joins Quicksteps developmental team. One more year there before turning pro (while already riding some races with the pros) seems like a good idea to me.

 

[Salvarani]

Raccani (imo one of the most talented pure climber in the Italian u23 ranks) joins Quicksteps developmental team. One more year there before turning pro (while already riding some races with the pros) seems like a good idea to me.

He had a pretty terrible fall in Burgos and didnt get to race much with the first team as a stagiaire.

Perhaps they dont want to throw him in at WT immediately next season because of that. Give him some more time in the beginning of next year and maybe he will start some races with the first team after a few months into the season.

 

[Mayomaniac]

He had a pretty terrible fall in Burgos and didnt get to race much with the first team as a stagiaire.

Perhaps they dont want to throw him in at WT immediately next season because of that. Give him some more time in the beginning of next year and maybe he will start some races with the first team after a few months into the season.

Yes, I assume that also plays a part when it comes to why he'll ride for the delopmental team. That crash was serious and ruined his chance to get more experience with the pro team.

 

[RedheadDane]

You know what? I don't think this transfer list is completely accurate:

Rider transfers 2023: Everything you need to know about rider moves in the men’s peloton - VeloNews.com

Here are a few examples:

For Astana:

Leaving: Vincenzo Nibali (retires), Luis Leon Sanchez (Bahrain Victorious).

They got Lulu in the wrong direction. And under Bahrain he just doesn't appear.

For EF:

Leaving: Alex Howes and Lachlan Morton (both full-time off-road racing), Ruben Guerreiro (EF Education-EasyPost), Sebastian Langeveld (retires).

Guerreiro is going from EF to... where? Though he is listed as a new signing under Movistar.

And then there are the cases where they seem to regard rumours as facts.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Jørgen Nordhagen will go to Jumbo Development Team in 2024, then with the WT-team 2025-27.

Big loss for Uno-X to lose out on another top, top Norwegian talent.

 

[DNP-Old]

Jorgen Nordhagen to Jumbo in 2024. Watch out for this kid, he is insanely talented and still doesn't qualify as a full time cyclist, as his roots are on the skis. He is going to be a major player on the Grand Tour scene in the future. Theodor Storm should be next.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Norwengian cycling fans seems very hyped with this kid, even more than with Hagenes, Staune and company. Now Jumbo offers him a long term contract with their academy and the Wt team when he is still a junior, he must be crazy good.

 

[DNP-Old]

Norwengian cycling fans seems very hyped with this kid, even more than with Hagenes, Staune and company. Now Jumbo offers him a long term contract with their academy and the Wt team when he is still a junior, he must be crazy good.

It's the new standard, many juniors nowadays are sponsored if not signed by WorldTour programs. Don't be surprised if you'll hear rumblings of Ashlin Barry catching WorldTour smoke next year, and he is 15.

Hagenes and Fredheim are just different types of riders, two of which Norway has seen before in Hushovd and Kristoff. Nordhagen is their legitimate shot at a potential Grand Tour winner, more than Foss, Leknessund, Johannessen(s) or Staune-Mittet ever were.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Jorgen Nordhagen to Jumbo in 2024. Watch out for this kid, he is insanely talented and still doesn't qualify as a full time cyclist, as his roots are on the skis. He is going to be a major player on the Grand Tour scene in the future. Theodor Storm should be next.

Jumbo certainly have a history developing former skiers.

 

[DNP-Old]

Jumbo certainly have a history developing former skiers.

He'll need it. One of the uglier time trialists I've seen, pure aesthetically speaking.

 

[Mayomaniac]

He'll need it. One of the uglier time trialists I've seen, pure aesthetically speaking.

Alpine skiing is probably a better background for tting (see Lemond, Jeannie Longo, Tyler Hamilton and Magnus Sheffield). Core strength and the ability to hold a compact postition for a long time while moving and being used to memorize turns and corners from a young age.

 

[RedheadDane]

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[Jungle Cycle]

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