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EF Education-TIBCO-SVB have confirmed what we kind of expected,that the team is set to fold at the end of this year

So contracted riders and staff free to join new teams

but that means going back to the Ellingworth/Ineos/QS grand plan, there's a wwt licence right there for the taking at minimal cost,and no complicated mergers, with staff and with riders though not full compliment anymore. Why not just sponsor them to keep going and gou have your women's team ?
First thing I thought when I saw the news. They'd get Backstedt on a plate, and if they can pick up Ferguson next year, would have potentially the two best British riders to emerge since Deignan. If they're even vaguely serious about launching a women's team, they'll never have a better opportunity.
 
Or simply end Team Ineos as we know it and buy the entire QS team. QuickSteps & Ineos's excess infrastructure and staff become an Ineos Womens team or Ineos Development Team and QuickStep's sponsors merge with Ineos as secondary sponsors and Ineos's financial input drops. Remco doesn't need to be bought out of his contract and Lefevre gets to retire.
That seems the fairly plausible. The embers of the firesale started last season with Carapaz and Yates leaving, and mostly young British riders being brought in. I thought maybe Ratcliffe had become frustrated with the lack of TDF success (hence publicity for his stupid car), and was reducing the budget to make them a more attractive proposition for prospective buyers. I still think that's more likely, but a full buyout would give him what he wants, and more.
 
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I suspect that SQS would do better to sell Remco and whomever else INEOS wants to INEOS and then sell the WT license to Israel Premier Tech (perhaps a merger of the squads) with the requirement that whatever contracts aren't assumed by INEOS are honored by IPT. Lefevere and Bakala could keep the proceeds from two transactions.
Please God, not Israel Premier Tech. We don't need another set of automatic invites sent out to the empty husks of fading memories of riders of days of yore, like Dimension Data before them. With the name value they have they'll get sent plenty of wildcards anyway. Reduce the number of WT teams and licences and give more flexibility to race organisers.
 
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Please God, not Israel Premier Tech. We don't need another set of automatic invites sent out to the empty husks of fading memories of riders of days of yore, like Dimension Data before them. With the name value they have they'll get sent plenty of wildcards anyway. Reduce the number of WT teams and licences and give more flexibility to race organisers.

They literally have guaranteed WCs for next year pretty much in the bag already.
 
15 WT licences, given to top 15 teams on ranking the previous year.

Teams ranked 16-40 are Wildcard-eligible (subject to being biopassport-compliant).

New teams, if their roster would have scored above 40th in the previous year, would also be placed at Wildcard-eligible status.

So literally no security for teams. Good luck finding long term sponsors wanting to give 20M+ combined to teams that aren't sure to always be in that top 15. If you really want even more teams begging some Arabs to put oil money into the sport you should definitely do this yes.

The less WT licenses for 1y only was already proposed before, the teams do not want this. No one who actually thinks about the consequences of this thinks this is a good idea.
 
So literally no security for teams. Good luck finding long term sponsors wanting to give 20M+ combined to teams that aren't sure to always be in that top 15. If you really want even more teams begging some Arabs to put oil money into the sport you should definitely do this yes.

The less WT licenses for 1y only was already proposed before, the teams do not want this. No one who actually thinks about the consequences of this thinks this is a good idea.
So we continue to make it so only the teams at the World Tour level can eat, and give us essentially the NHL system where the second and third tiers consist only of development and overspill for the top tier and there's no variety or jeopardy. ProConti teams have been completely strangled and made paupers so that teams have to be totally reliant on being WT teams to gain sponsorship.

Now you can say that the top teams need the long term commitment to the top tier so they need to ensure long stays at the top level and that's good for sponsors... but it's not good for sponsors for anybody but the top 15 teams. And in reality, the top 2 or 3 because their budgets trample all over everybody else's. More wildcards means more chances to make ends meet for teams that don't have a superbudget, because they can do the races that matter to them and not be relegated to afterthoughts. It's not that long ago that every major race had at least one if not more wildcard team or teams that had genuine threats to win the race or at least affect it in meaningful ways.

That was sacrificed in favour of a travelling circus of the same teams and riders in every single race, to appease a bunch of Jonathan Vaughters disciples who wanted to close the door behind them and prevent anybody improving their lot in the same way they themselves had just done, in case they were the ones that had to make way. And that way they can introduce more flyaway races and drive the cost of the WT up, because they have a captive audience, and so you need sponsors to throw in those huge budgets. You didn't need those budgets to race a good calendar 15 years ago, when there were more wildcards and domestic pélotons were stronger. If the system means that budgets are lower, it means less concentration of all the top talents into the same 2-3 teams and potentially therefore makes for the sport overall providing a better product.

The teams don't want fewer WT licences because they want to guarantee their place in the top division. It's pure self-interest. Nothing more, nothing less. Do you think if the Premier League proposed increasing the number of teams that would be relegated, that teams like Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Brentford or Fulham would vote for that? Of course not. But do you think they would vote for having relegation only once every three years? Of course they would. It's not to do with what would be good for the sport, it's to do with what would be good for their pockets. And so the story goes with cycling. The teams like Arkéa, Cofidis, Movistar, Astana, Jayco, EF who were in that battle last year for points, of course they'll vote against reducing the number of WT teams, because that puts them in more jeopardy.

I'm proposing a system that makes it less of a punishment to be relegated, because there are more wildcard spots available, and make it easier for small-to-mid budget teams to survive a bad season without plugging up the WT with a bad team for 3 whole years just because they survived a previous season then lost a lot of their key stars, like we're seeing happening with Astana. And if that system upsets a few Jonathan Vaughters types on the way, then all the better.

Besides, pray tell, what is a "wildcard" about a guaranteed invite? All it means is instead of 18 guaranteed invites and up to 4 (stage races) or 7 (one day races) teams that are at the organisers' discretion, you have 20 guaranteed invites and further strangle the individuality of races and the organisers' ability to give their race some character and pick out teams that care about the race rather than teams that have to be there because the UCI got scared of being sued by Sylvain Adams because his team failed when the UCI attempted to add an element of long-term meritocracy to the system.
 
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We need to be careful with Faulkner - She's not been at the same level since she caught COVID after the 2022 Giro - In saying that, although she has a fragile body, Jayco should have moved heaven and earth to keep her because she is their best rider.
Not the easiest rider to work with and causes conflict within the team. Outburts are not warranted.
 
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Every out of contract Italian + TGH going to Trek. No idea how well that's gonna work out, sone of their signings seem a bit retundat and don't make that much sense.

A team like Jayco seems to make much more focussed signings.

About Dani Martinez to Bora, maybe they already want to sign the replacement for Higuita one year earlier? Seems a bit expensive to sign him to replace freaking Konrad...
2022 spring Dani Martinez was actually world class, but went off the rails afterwards. Him on a results based contract makes sense

Dani has been suffering from severe allergy issues this season and hence his performance.
 
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Now you can say that the top teams need the long term commitment to the top tier so they need to ensure long stays at the top level and that's good for sponsors...
I have been thinking about wheter it might be good to have a two year ranking but with only 15 WT-teams. Two year ranking would offer more stability than risk of losing WT-status every year, but also tightening in on the possibility to surf for three years at WT-leave with a bad team.

I like the idea that less WT teams gives more PCT-teams a chance to do more WT-races, but I also fear that by going down to 15 WT-teams we will see an even bigger effect of “everyone” going to the best 8-10 teams or so and therefore make the gaps between the top WT-teams and the PCT-teams that are getting wild cards even bigger.
 
I honestly thing a place to start would be to have all WT races function like the post-2017 WT races; with WT teams being automatically invited, but not having to race. Because, for some WT races, there are probably WT teams which are only there because they have to be, which - in turn - keeps teams that would love to be there from participating. However, I would also change it so it's only one-day races which gives automatic invited to the top-2 PT teams, so that the teams that are now guaranteed invites to all WT races, despite not being WT teams - putting them, in some ways, in a better position than the actual WT teams - would only be guaranteed invites to the one-day races, and for every automatically-invited team that declines, that's an extra Wildcard, 100% at the organisers' choice.
I also don't see why conti-teams shouldn't be allowed to race, if enough of the higher-ranked teams have declined their invitation. Let's say Jancouver was right, and no teams actually want to do TDU, why shouldn't a team like Bridgelane be allowed to race?

And to be completely crazy, you could even say that one spot has to be left for a team to be drawn completely at random.
 
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Carlos is staying.
(QUOTE!)According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, more specifically the journalist specialized in the cycling market, Ciro Scognamiglio, Carlos Rodriguez will almost certainly remain at INEOS and will not leave for Movistar: "Updated information: The 22-year-old Spanish rider, 5th in the Tour de France and Spanish champion in road cycling in 2022, will probably (80%) remain at INEOS Grenadiers".(END QUOTE!)

If Rodriguez stays does this mean the end of the Remco rumors?
 
So we continue to make it so only the teams at the World Tour level can eat, and give us essentially the NHL system where the second and third tiers consist only of development and overspill for the top tier and there's no variety or jeopardy. ProConti teams have been completely strangled and made paupers so that teams have to be totally reliant on being WT teams to gain sponsorship.
First of all Pro Conti teams aren't being strangled if they have a good plan, just look at UNO-X. Thanks to the system with automatic invites they an actually work towards something, if they have enough recourses ofcourse.

And no it's not the "only the WT teams that can eat", it's literally only the best teams in the world with all the money right now, and that would be only be getting worse if you take away some of the securities that lower level WT teams have. Even harder to get long term sponsorship, and even less good riders that want to ride for them (I think you underestimate how much riders care about being in the WT and to have the security they can 100% ride the best races). Result? Even more riders riding for Arab oil sponsored teams. You think your system would give more (smaller) teams the opportunity to grow, and I don't think that's what's gonna happen at all, more the opposite where even less teams are able to grow.

Now you can say that the top teams need the long term commitment to the top tier so they need to ensure long stays at the top level and that's good for sponsors... but it's not good for sponsors for anybody but the top 15 teams. And in reality, the top 2 or 3 because their budgets trample all over everybody else's. More wildcards means more chances to make ends meet for teams that don't have a superbudget, because they can do the races that matter to them and not be relegated to afterthoughts. It's not that long ago that every major race had at least one if not more wildcard team or teams that had genuine threats to win the race or at least affect it in meaningful ways.

If you actually think less security (it's all about being able to be visible in the Tour de France anyways) is going to help all those teams I really don't know what to say. "Cycling at 2 speeds" will be even more obvious. In the past wildcard teams would have decent riders because A. they overpaid someone and more importantly B. there simply weren't superteams that bought every single good rider and paid them triple what ProConti teams can. None of these things would change with your system. Why would sponsors invest in teams that aren't guaranteed to ride the Tour? Yk, the race sponsors care about.

I'm proposing a system that makes it less of a punishment to be relegated, because there are more wildcard spots available, and make it easier for small-to-mid budget teams to survive a bad season without plugging up the WT with a bad team for 3 whole years just because they survived a previous season then lost a lot of their key stars, like we're seeing happening with Astana. And if that system upsets a few Jonathan Vaughters types on the way, then all the better.

This all sounds great in theory, but that's just not how sponsors think. As long as cycling is so dependent on sponsors, this ain't working. Again, no sponsors is doing big long term investments in teams that could miss out on the Tour now and then. More power to organizers would also just mean more random French, Spanish and Italian ProConti teams existing, and just teams paying off the organizers to get their spot (or hoping they have a joint sponsor). I don't know why you're acting like giving so much power to organizers is such a great thing. Like teams having to suck up to ASO for example isn't already bad enough as it is.

Besides, pray tell, what is a "wildcard" about a guaranteed invite? All it means is instead of 18 guaranteed invites and up to 4 (stage races) or 7 (one day races) teams that are at the organisers' discretion, you have 20 guaranteed invites and further strangle the individuality of races and the organisers' ability to give their race some character and pick out teams that care about the race rather than teams that have to be there because the UCI got scared of being sued by Sylvain Adams because his team failed when the UCI attempted to add an element of long-term meritocracy to the system.

It's a term, that's all. UCI probably doesn't even call it a WC. Change the name if you want.

Also yes the Sylvain Adams thing was BS, I agree on that. That being said, we obviously have 2 very different opinions, no reason to keep discussing it with essays.
 
Not the easiest rider to work with and causes conflict within the team. Outburts are not warranted.
You are 100% correct - Faulkner has a fragile mind and is a difficult customer, but at the same time, Jayco doesn't have many good riders, so you would try to retain her - I'll also Jayco are shocking at planning their race program - They often don't take their best riders to the best races and they don't do enough smaller races when you consider the strength of their team.
 
First of all Pro Conti teams aren't being strangled if they have a good plan, just look at UNO-X. Thanks to the system with automatic invites they an actually work towards something, if they have enough recourses ofcourse.

And no it's not the "only the WT teams that can eat", it's literally only the best teams in the world with all the money right now, and that would be only be getting worse if you take away some of the securities that lower level WT teams have. Even harder to get long term sponsorship, and even less good riders that want to ride for them (I think you underestimate how much riders care about being in the WT and to have the security they can 100% ride the best races). Result? Even more riders riding for Arab oil sponsored teams. You think your system would give more (smaller) teams the opportunity to grow, and I don't think that's what's gonna happen at all, more the opposite where even less teams are able to grow.



If you actually think less security (it's all about being able to be visible in the Tour de France anyways) is going to help all those teams I really don't know what to say. "Cycling at 2 speeds" will be even more obvious. In the past wildcard teams would have decent riders because A. they overpaid someone and more importantly B. there simply weren't superteams that bought every single good rider and paid them triple what ProConti teams can. None of these things would change with your system. Why would sponsors invest in teams that aren't guaranteed to ride the Tour? Yk, the race sponsors care about.



This all sounds great in theory, but that's just not how sponsors think. As long as cycling is so dependent on sponsors, this ain't working. Again, no sponsors is doing big long term investments in teams that could miss out on the Tour now and then. More power to organizers would also just mean more random French, Spanish and Italian ProConti teams existing, and just teams paying off the organizers to get their spot (or hoping they have a joint sponsor). I don't know why you're acting like giving so much power to organizers is such a great thing. Like teams having to suck up to ASO for example isn't already bad enough as it is.



It's a term, that's all. UCI probably doesn't even call it a WC. Change the name if you want.

Also yes the Sylvain Adams thing was BS, I agree on that. That being said, we obviously have 2 very different opinions, no reason to keep discussing it with essays.
I don't think my idea is about making small teams grow. It's about preventing them from getting even smaller and concentrating yet more in the hands of the few. Having 18 guaranteed invites that's secretly 20 guaranteed invites because 2 of the "wildcards" are enforced selections also really hurts organisers' abilities to help give their races character and oftentimes also to reinforce local interest by giving invites to local teams or riders who will prioritise the race and treat it as important, as against WT teams who already have two sets of riders at other races sending no-name domestiques to make up the numbers.

Some people like to watch the best of the best, and concentrating all of the talent into the same handful of teams and locking the invites to pretty much 95% of the field guarantees the best of the best in every race, at the expense of smaller races struggling because they can't attract those bigger teams that they often depend on for survival. It elevates the races at the right level but marginalises all others.

Some people like to watch a better, more evenly-matched product, where there's more variety and a wider scope of options for competitive racing, because there isn't such a steep drop-off between the levels. This enables top tier teams to focus on competitions that work for their sponsors and enables sponsors of regional or local prominence to be competitive in a calendar suited to their sponsors' interests.

Some people would like to watch a 1-0 game between Barcelona and Real Madrid than a 4-3 game between Espanyol and Rayo Vallecano, because the standard will be higher with the stars. Some people would like to watch the more entertaining game with lesser names.
 
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