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Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

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How can one team have so much money only to spend it on mediocrity incarnated like Langelotti, Jungels and Castrillo?
I don't think they do anymore, team management asked the higher ups to sign Del Toro when he was a junior but didn't have the money, I get the impression there is a winding down process going on.

Jim Radcliffe needs to be arrested for cultural vandalism, mans just trashing British sporting institutions at this point. Having said that they don't seem to have changed much tactically, it will be excellent to see 48 year old Bob Jungels and Langelotti controlling on a mountain stage against Pogacar to try and launch Pablo Castrillo. If they were a serious big money team they'd've just paid Jarno out of his contract and given him whatever he wants, though I'm glad to see him at Lotto personally.
 
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I am sad to see Simon Yates fold into a domestique role in a bit of a soulless team, perhaps he will get some of his own opportunities too but for now I'm in mourning. At least it shows he's still serious about improving and maybe he can even at his age, Israel would probably be the death knell.

 
Dan Bigham has left Ineos and written a pretty scathing article in the Torygraph, posted here as it's paywalled;

Bigger teams should be snapping this guy up, he is a real savant, reminds me a bit of Obree


Dan Bigham, who is preparing to compete for Team GB in next week’s track cycling events at Paris 2024, has revealed he is quitting his role at Ineos Grenadiers once the Olympics are over due to his “frustrations” over the current setup.

In what will come as a blow to the beleaguered British outfit, who have just come off a difficult Tour de France and have questions piling up, Bigham criticised Ineos’s approach, saying it was “clear as day the team should be doing things a lot better”. He suggested the team perhaps “lacked clarity” post-Dave Brailsford’s departure.

Bigham, 32, famously began his career as an aerodynamicist for Mercedes F1, doing a bit of amateur riding on the side. His scientific approach saw him set up his own trade team, Huub-Wattbike, which regularly beat nations - including Great Britain - at track World Cups, with Bigham both riding and masterminding the R&D side.

After failing to integrate into the British Track Cycling Team, who he felt were dismissive of his ideas, Bigham took his knowledge to Denmark in the run-up to Tokyo 2020, helping to coach them to claim Olympic silver. He also briefly claimed the hour record himself.

Bigham joined Ineos Grenadiers as a performance engineer in 2022, working in the R&D department, and was viewed as a key cog in the team’s rebuild under new performance director Scott Drawer, who joined late last year following the departure of Rod Ellingworth. However, speaking ahead of his Olympic bid, Bigham admitted he had become increasingly disillusioned in recent months.

“It’s not particularly a me versus Scott thing at all,” Bigham said. “It’s more just how I see performance. How I want to do performance is not particularly aligned with how Ineos wanted to go about it. I wanted more autonomy, more ability to action my ideas. And I wasn’t really getting that at Ineos.”

Asked whether it was similar to the situation at British Cycling a few years ago, Bigham agreed there were “quite a lot of parallels”.

“I feel that a lot of performance we’re leaving on the table and that frustrates me because it’s clear as day we should be doing things a lot better.,” he said “Let’s be honest, Ineos are not where they want to be, not where they need to be and the gap is not small.”

Bigham admitted he was also frustrated when promised support for his Olympic campaign failed to materialise. He was eventually offered unpaid leave by the team this summer.

“They always said they’d support me for the Olympics and it got to about February and I’m like, ‘Guys, I’ve been knocking on the door. What is the support?’

“[Eventually] Scott came back and said, ‘our offer is you can take three months off as unpaid leave from May through to the Games’ which was, I guess, okay in a way, it put me on a UK Sport APA and I can arguably say I’m a professional athlete which is a nice box to tick. But at the same time it didn’t feel like a great amount of support. And with everything else building as frustration within the team it just felt if that’s the way they want to approach it then with everything else, my frustrations, I would hand in my notice.

“They agreed I’d do a week after the Olympics to do a bit of a handover, get everybody up to speed and then I’m out of there.”

Bigham’s comments will pile further pressure on a team who are already fending off speculation in the wake of a Tour which began with rumours of a falling out between star rider Tom Pidcock and director of racing Steve Cummings, who was left at home. Ineos then failed to win a stage of the race for the first time since 2014. Their top general classification rider, Spaniard Carlos Rodriguez, finished seventh, 25 minutes down on Tadej Pogacar. At one stage senior rider Geraint Thomas admitted he found the new management structure at the team “challenging”, likening it to a “coalition government”.

While there has been some good news - young up-and-coming riders such as Josh Tarling and Thymen Arensman have signed new contracts, while both Pidcock and Pauline Ferrand-Prevot won Olympic mountain bike gold in Paris - there has been further speculation only this week about Pidcock’s future. It was also announced this week that Ecuadorian Jhonaton Narvaez would be leaving to join UAE Team Emirates.

Bigham would not say where he was going, only that it was to “pastures new”. He said he could see what Thomas had meant by a “coalition government” but denied that Ineos’ wider sporting portfolio was a distraction.

“Dave [Brailsford, Ineos’ director of sport] hasn’t particularly been involved since I joined,” he said. “I see the media say stuff about Manchester United and a distraction but I don’t believe that is the case. Manchester United being somewhat acquired [by Ineos] has no bearing on Ineos Grenadiers as far as I can see.

“Ineos are primarily a sponsor but they also connect us up with other sport groups and the bigger the group is the more knowledge is contained within it. To have Manchester United in there, the All Blacks, Britannia, Mercedes F1, it’s not a small group.

“Dave had a very clear vision and a way of actioning it and a plan in his head. Maybe to some degree maybe that’s been lacking. We know what it takes to win but how do you get there? What are the processes? That’s the bit lacking clarity. That’s the bit frustrating me as well because I feel like I’ve got a very clear idea on the energy outside equation, the drag and where we need to go and we were not committing to some of the things I felt could bring some fairly significant performance.”

A spokesperson for Ineos Grenadiers said: “We’re very proud of the support we’ve given Dan, the access we’ve provided to our performance network and the freedom, time and encouragement we’ve given him to pursue a number of his personal athletic goals.

“Our performance support team is world class, and although we’ll miss Dan, the strength and depth we have in that area across a number of talented individuals means our programme should be unaffected.”
 
Dan Bigham has left Ineos and written a pretty scathing article in the Torygraph, posted here as it's paywalled;

Bigger teams should be snapping this guy up, he is a real savant, reminds me a bit of Obree

With the struggles Visma have had in the time trials, clearly getting overtaken by UAE but probably a lot more, they should be all over this.
 
*Checks to see who Victor Langelotti's agent is*

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Ah yes of course.

Seriously though good one guys, I assume the real signings Remco Evenepoel and Wout Van Aert are standing behind that little curtain you have set up there ready to reveal the funny prank you've played. Boy have you got us lot good, nice one!
 
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How can one team have so much money only to spend it on mediocrity incarnated like Langelotti, Jungels and Castrillo?
Because Allert isn't building a superteam to win tomorrow, he's building a team to develop a winner internally from the youth signings. Jungels is one of the best professionals in the peloton after probably Rowe and Baarle. A lot can be passed on from a rider like that.
 
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Teams and riders can announce a transfer now but the contract can’t officially be signed until October 15th.

At least that’s how I read the new rules.
The whole point of the new rule was to avoid transfers being known before the racing is finished in order to avoid things like punishments by the current team etc. And the rules doesn't mention anything being allowed starting August 1 (other than stagiaires) so if teams are free to announce transfers today then they were just as free to announce the transfers a month ago. August 1st holds no specific meaning anymore for transfers other than stagiaires.
 
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And Langellotti?
Solid overall rider, deserved a shot at WT. There are worse riders in the pro peloton. I'd say someone capable of winning a mountain stage in the Tour of Turkey is quite deserving of a WT contract. Not every rider has a breakout season at 21, some like Langelloti improve over the years and maybe he'll improve even more with Ineos.
 
Solid overall rider, deserved a shot at WT. There are worse riders in the pro peloton. I'd say someone capable of winning a mountain stage in the Tour of Turkey is quite deserving of a WT contract. Not every rider has a breakout season at 21, some like Langelloti improve over the years and maybe he'll improve even more with Ineos.
His career development is very weird

He was 8th in the French junior championship in 2013, signed for burgos as a pro for the 2018 season despite not getting a single notable result in 2014-17, and then somehow kept a contract with burgos despite not doing anything in 2018-21. Outside of that junior race on 2013, his only notable results are from 2022 onwards

The next froom?

“When I was a junior and then an under-23 rider, Team Sky was the dominant and most successful team in cycling, and I grew up in awe of their success. The wins of Bradley Wiggins, Chris Froome, Geraint Thomas, and others inspired me, and I always hoped to be a part of it one day. I still can’t believe that I will join the team that both made me dream and revolutionised our sport."

A man of exquisit taste
 
Don't think you understood my post. I'm not comparing them..
Yeah my bad but Ive read people complaining Visma buying the best etc which I couldn't disagree more so far at least. Simon is far from highest level climbers now also he is old. Zingle is whatever.

I actually think Visma is semi bottom feeding and its telling somewhat (ive read their budget next year already will be significantly lower than previous) Campenaerts was good this Tour though.
UAE is adding from tier ones still while the same so far cannot be said of Jumbo. Significantly difference so far in the quality of riders coming in imo.

Visma so far decent. UAE stellar same with Bora if the rumours are true.
 
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His career development is very weird

He was 8th in the French junior championship in 2013, signed for burgos as a pro for the 2018 season despite not getting a single notable result in 2014-17, and then somehow kept a contract with burgos despite not doing anything in 2018-21. Outside of that junior race on 2013, his only notable results are from 2022 onwards

I think I read somewhere that he'd had some mental health issues, and that the win in Turkey last year was a turning point for him.
 
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Solid overall rider, deserved a shot at WT. There are worse riders in the pro peloton. I'd say someone capable of winning a mountain stage in the Tour of Turkey is quite deserving of a WT contract. Not every rider has a breakout season at 21, some like Langelloti improve over the years and maybe he'll improve even more with Ineos.

Come on, he isn't the signing for a team vying for the top spot in the sport by any stretch of the imagination.