Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

[Devil's Elbow]

signed for burgos as a pro for the 2018 season despite not getting a single notable result in 2014-17, and then somehow kept a contract with burgos despite not doing anything in 2018-21.

Burgos is notorious for having *** riders paying for a spot on the team, not exactly surprising that a guy from Monaco can pony up the cash.

 

[Roku]

His career development is very weird

He was 8th in the French junior championship in 2013, signed for burgos as a pro for the 2018 season despite not getting a single notable result in 2014-17, and then somehow kept a contract with burgos despite not doing anything in 2018-21. Outside of that junior race on 2013, his only notable results are from 2022 onwards

The next froom?

“When I was a junior and then an under-23 rider, Team Sky was the dominant and most successful team in cycling, and I grew up in awe of their success. The wins of Bradley Wiggins, Chris Froome, Geraint Thomas, and others inspired me, and I always hoped to be a part of it one day. I still can’t believe that I will join the team that both made me dream and revolutionised our sport."

A man of exquisit taste

His dad was a top management role of the Monegasque cycling federation, which definitely helped him turn pro and stay at Burgos during his worst years.

It was published he had an addiction to videogames which was not solved until 2022, when he had his breakthrough season with the Volta a Portugal stage win and a brief spell in Vuelta a España KOM.

 

[Anderis]

UAE stellar same with Bora if the rumours are true.

Who are UAE signing apart from Narvaez?

And second question: when is UAE finally going to oversaturate with talent and start losing more talent than signing because of riders searching for opportunities for themselves? They can't keep growing stronger forever...

 

[Mayomaniac]

How can one team have so much money only to spend it on mediocrity incarnated like Langelotti, Jungels and Castrillo?

All the money now goes to sign overrated players for Man. U.

 

[Kaptain Kool]

Narvaez is a solid rider but let's not get carried away. Top 6 placings in Cadel Evans and E3 isn't top tier. He's 38th in the current UCI rankings, right behind Michael Matthews.

 

[ingsve]

Who are UAE signing apart from Narvaez?

And second question: when is UAE finally going to oversaturate with talent and start losing more talent than signing because of riders searching for opportunities for themselves? They can't keep growing stronger forever...

I suspect what might happen at some point is that their long contracts for some riders might backfire in case riders start to flop for them while still on a 3-4 year contract. That depends on how the contracts are written I suppose. They might have favorable ways to get out of them without having to pay out the full value of the contract to the rider.

 

[Pannenkooky]

Yeah my bad but Ive read people complaining Visma buying the best etc which I couldn't disagree more so far at least. Simon is far from highest level climbers now also he is old. Zingle is whatever.

I actually think Visma is semi bottom feeding and its telling somewhat (ive read their budget next year already will be significantly lower than previous) Campenaerts was good this Tour though.
UAE is adding from tier ones still while the same so far cannot be said of Jumbo. Significantly difference so far in the quality of riders coming in imo.

Visma so far decent. UAE stellar same with Bora if the rumours are true.

Is Campenaerts leaving? He mentioned contract stuff in his stage win press

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I suspect what might happen at some point is that their long contracts for some riders might backfire in case riders start to flop for them while still on a 3-4 year contract. That depends on how the contracts are written I suppose. They might have favorable ways to get out of them without having to pay out the full value of the contract to the rider.

To be honest, i think they probably have enough money to just buy them out in that case…

 

[Davesta]

Is Campenaerts leaving? He mentioned contract stuff in his stage win press

He’s leaving Lotto Dstny - he’s joining Visma

 

[Valv.Piti]

To be honest, i think they probably have enough money to just buy them out in that case…

Buying them out of a contract doesn't do much though because you pay the full salary unless the team and rider come to some sort of an agreement of lets say 1 or 2 years of salary paid. I guess its frees up a roster spot, but thats about it. Flat out buying riders out should be avoided.. that would be the equivalent of my Detroit Pistons hiring Monty Williams for 6 years/78 mil$ and them buying him out after one season. Thats just terible business, but I guess if you have enough money..

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Florian Vermeersch a few top 10 Roubaix and top 15 flandern age 25 gotte be amongst tier one people under 25 for sure. The injurie lets see how that impacted him or not.

Cash is king and always a good incentive but good question who knows.

If your looking to strengthen the tdf team next year Yates and Campenaerts are better signings then UAEs. If both of them get the usual improvement when changing to visma they will be sensational good together with kuss, Jorgensen Vingegaard van aert la Porte and Benoit as a team. They will match this year UAE.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I've read I don't know if this is true so someone might confirm but I've heard that Jumbo will go from 50M£ to
25-30m£ next year in budget? Significant decrease if that's the case.

Sounds like PR b*llsh*t so they can build an underdog story.

 

[Samamba]

I've read I don't know if this is true so someone might confirm but I've heard that Jumbo will go from 50M£ to
25-30m£ next year in budget? Significant decrease if that's the case.

They just got Simon Yates and Zingle... so obviously not.

 

[Hell-G]

Damien Touzé (Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale) to Cofidis.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1819648154603507927

View: https://x.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1819648154603507927

 

[Monte Serra]

I've read I don't know if this is true so someone might confirm but I've heard that Jumbo will go from 50M£ to

25-30m£ next year in budget? Significant decrease if that's the case.

''WielerFlits reports that Visma-Lease a Bike will work with a budget of between 25 and 30 million euros. In 2025 gambling company Betcity will no longer be allowed to be a sponsor''

That's the amount that was reported for 2024, so no 50 million if Wielerflits is to be believed.

"Insiders spreken over een budget tussen de 25 en 30 miljoen euro voor 2024."

Visma-Lease a Bike wordt nieuwe sponsornaam van Jumbo-Visma

Breaking Jumbo-Visma gaat in 2024 verder als Visma-Lease a Bike. Het leaseprogramma voor fietsen voor bedrijven van Pon dat in Duitsland, België en Nederland succesvol op de markt is gezet wordt de nieuwe tweede titelsponsor van de succesvolle Nederlandse wielerploeg. Meerdere bronnen hebben dit...

www.wielerflits.nl

 

[Peyroteo94]

''WielerFlits reports that Visma-Lease a Bike will work with a budget of between 25 and 30 million euros. In 2025 gambling company Betcity will no longer be allowed to be a sponsor''

thats new from 2025 and onwards so naturally it will impact their budget in 2024 they was allowed to give money.

Maybe these rumours about WVA going to Soudal make sense now.

 

[Davesta]

No they wont at all imo. The gap so far just increased Simon Yates is not tier one and would be dropped way before jorgenson while uae could have 3-4 doms left.... neither is Campenaerts by any means like ?(both Narvaez and Florian are higher tier riders and its telling what riders go where) Also the factor all their ''best'' doms are old and wont get better relative to others who most likely will only improve more.

And I was talking about team as a general not only the Tour but if you think Visma can match UAE tour team thats a stretch to say the least could argue they would be even better this year by bringing in riders as Bjerg and Mcnulty. Visma isnt close to the depth of UAE and their best riders is also something of the past and Simon Yates or Campenearts wont solve any of that, at all do you think they would get on UAE A team?, not even close. -- take the age on their best riders into account and it gets ugly depending on what side your looking at it from.

But one of those 3-4 doms that UAE will have left, is Simon Yates’ twin brother, who unlike Simon, has never won a grand tour…I don’t see any reason why Simon can’t be just as useful for Vingegaard even if he hasn’t been at his best form the last couple of years

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Come on, he isn't the signing for a team vying for the top spot in the sport by any stretch of the imagination.

And again not every rider signed by top teams are winners. Visma has guys like Vermote, Hessman and Van Der Sande. UAE has guys like Laengen and Vink. They don't move the needle but you need them.
So I don't get why you're hating on a guy who is clearly signed as a domestique.

 

[Squire]

And again not every rider signed by top teams are winners. Visma has guys like Vermote, Hessman and Van Der Sande. UAE has guys like Laengen and Vink. They don't move the needle but you need them.
So I don't get why you're hating on a guy who is clearly signed as a domestique.

This seems to be forgotten by a lot of people a lot of the time.

Also, having the very best mountain support is vastly overrated. You just need to have a good team. If Almeida or A.Yates is stronger than Jorgenson or S. Yates doesn't matter. Vingegaard would have won the Tour this year if he was stronger than Pogacar, regardless of how the teams stacked up against each other. As long as he's not isolated early, which he never was.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

And again not every rider signed by top teams are winners. Visma has guys like Vermote, Hessman and Van Der Sande. UAE has guys like Laengen and Vink. They don't move the needle but you need them.
So I don't get why you're hating on a guy who is clearly signed as a domestique.

People who could be leaders being signed as domestique has always had some negative reaction attached, though. It's just exacerbated now because the distance between the haves and have nots is ever bigger. He's being signed as a domestique but as a result will be deployed in a less interesting manner and will help prevent other riders from making things interesting in their own right too. At the point in Yates' career he's at it makes sense, but fans are well within their rights to feel disappointed that another guy who could ride GC or be an elite stage hunter is being snapped up to play the role of third in line in a train and maybe score a lower end top 10 by dropping the few people remaining that could make it interesting for any team outside the big 2-3.

Like Manchester City trying to sign Leicester's best player because they needed six weeks' injury cover, it's absolutely understandable why both the team and the player would do it, but it's also absolutely understandable why fans would not like it.

 

[Davesta]

If you compare Jumbo strength wice to UAE at this point as it looks now its no point dude Redbull will most likely even surpass them next year strenght wice and it wont get much better unless they start buying some of the tier one rider out there to close the gap and unfurtunately for them it doesnt seem like it for now at least that might change though quickly lets see.

If you think Simon is on the level of Adam these days then I dont know what to say to you. He is Adam Yates from wish.

You do know that Simon Yates finished 4th in the TdF last year, right? One position behind his brother…Just because he hasn’t had his best year in 2024 doesn’t mean he’s some washed up has-been!

 

[Peter von]

I think Simon Yates might benefit a lot by becoming a super dom. Takes all the pressure right off him, the change of air will do him good and at camps he’ll be surrounded by stronger and ambitious riders.

And yeah it’s not necessary to have the strongest team, if you have the strongest rider, but they do need to be strong enough to apply pressure on key stages.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

No they wont at all imo. The gap so far just increased Simon Yates is not tier one and would be dropped way before jorgenson while uae could have 3-4 doms left.... neither is Campenaerts by any means like ?(both Narvaez and Florian are higher tier riders and its telling what riders go where) Also the factor all their ''best'' doms are old and wont get better relative to others who most likely will only improve more.

And I was talking about team as a general not only the Tour but if you think Visma can match UAE tour team thats a stretch to say the least could argue they would be even better this year by bringing in riders as Bjerg and Mcnulty. Visma isnt close to the depth of UAE and their best riders is also something of the past and Simon Yates or Campenearts wont solve any of that, at all do you think they would get on UAE A team?, not even close. -- take the age on their best riders into account and it gets ugly depending on what side your looking at it from.

I think you are right in a three year perspective but for the next years Yates and Campenarts are better. Compare their palmares to Narvaeez and Florian . There is no guarantee that the UAE signings will be better then they already are and they have not shown high level over several seasons. But we will have to see next year.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

You do know that Simon Yates finished 4th in the TdF last year, right? One position behind his brother…Just because he hasn’t had his best year in 2024 doesn’t mean he’s some washed up has-been!

The whole Jayco team hasn’t been the best this year.

 

[YavorD]

If they would get Lazkano for instance that would be it for me that would close the gap significantly and a very promising sign even more importantly for things to come. Simon Yates and Campenaert is not it in that department if thats the best they can do right now I would be worried but as I said will ofc change in a dime with a top tier signing lets hope for that if not I see Redbull even overtaking Jumbo very soon.

Edit: lets move it to the jumbo thread me and you if continue this cause I talk more about jumbo here than this thread is really about so properly better

I really think you underrate Visma. Van Aert/Laporte/Van Battle/Kuss/Yates/Jorgenson/Benoit are a mighty strong support.

Jorgenson alone was stronger than all of UAE helpers in some stages and if they have Yates and Kuss to give him rest (like Sky did) he may be even better.