Tobias Foss is starting to wish he could join a team as strong as Uno-X.
Matthews is not considered a sprinter by the team - Kooij would have fitted brilliantly at Jayco with their sprint support but alas he stayed at Jumbo - Jayco definitely needs a second sprinter but he must have different characteristics to Groenewegen - Dainese is too similar, unless he can reinvent himself as a classics rider.
- Aug 1, 2016
- 1,051
- 1,498
- 13,680
So Uno-X is almost full for 2024. They have 22 officially confirmed riders for next season + Leknessund, Hvidverg and Cort (25).
I would guess Charmig, Traeen and Gregaard (28) are extending while Eg, Norman Leth, Halvorsen, Kulset and Niklas Larsen should be on the way out.
Supposedly, there are also both Bystrom and Hoelgaard on the market.
I would guess Charmig, Traeen and Gregaard (28) are extending while Eg, Norman Leth, Halvorsen, Kulset and Niklas Larsen should be on the way out.
Supposedly, there are also both Bystrom and Hoelgaard on the market.
- Sep 2, 2011
- 17,543
- 13,767
- 28,180
- Aug 31, 2019
- 3,524
- 6,311
- 14,180
There are rumours circulating that Træen might leave Uno-X for a WT-contract with more money.
Next season they should have 5-6 riders of a certain quality that can score some points, of which 3 (Leknessund, THJ and Wærenskjold) are young riders with a decent potential. In addition they have Fredheim which seems like a nice talent. So for next season the team looks really good.
- May 10, 2015
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Ineos...
Trek building a strong team tho. That lidl money must be huge.
Trek building a strong team tho. That lidl money must be huge.
- Sep 2, 2011
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Either Ineos will have a reduced budget or they are preparing a very big signing nobody has foreseen.
I think people overreact a bit about Ineos.
They have a lot of young riders who get better each year and require pay rise to be kept. Because of that, they were never going to be able to afford to keep all of their riders, no matter how big their budget is.
They have Arensman, Bernal, Ganna, Hayter, Pidcock, Plapp, Sheffield, Turner and Viviani under contract for 2024. That's already enough talent for 2 good WT teams and some people act like there's some kind of a disaster ongoing.
They have a lot of young riders who get better each year and require pay rise to be kept. Because of that, they were never going to be able to afford to keep all of their riders, no matter how big their budget is.
They have Arensman, Bernal, Ganna, Hayter, Pidcock, Plapp, Sheffield, Turner and Viviani under contract for 2024. That's already enough talent for 2 good WT teams and some people act like there's some kind of a disaster ongoing.
In case it is a reduced budget, it has to be very reduced. With expiring contracts of Thomas, Martinez, Rodriguez and Sivakov, I think all these should be allowed to leave before Tao.
- Sep 2, 2011
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It's not a disaster but it's odd.
If all of Tulett, TGH, Martinez, Rodriguez and Sivakov leave it's gonna be the second year in a row with a considerable loss of talent (which had never happened since the team become relevant).
It's because they have never leaned so heavily on young riders before.
If you hire established riders, they salary demands for their next contract will be more or less the same.
If you hire young riders, though, they are going to develop and ask more the next time. You'll have to let someone go. Or increase budget. But Ineos' budget was already huge and the reason they have been able to pack their team with so much talent in the first place. The level of depth in their team is absurd. Their few top riders may not be that strong as at Jumbo, for example, but take away 3-4 best riders from each team and Ineos ends up being the strongest team by far IMO.
Nah. It's still a lot, lot worse than this and previous season. Vivani is far past his prime. Turner and Plapp are mostly domestiques and it's still certain of Bernal recovers from his injuries. The amount of reduction in talent from 2022 til 2024 would be staggering.
I'm not telling they haven't lost a lot of talent, I'm telling they will still have a huge amount of talent in their 2024 squad.
Turner and Plapp are potentially much more than domestiques. Plapp was 2nd in UAE Tour, Turner got good results in February, I bet he would have got a big ressult on the cobbles if he was healthy.
I believe from looking at the start of the season and how their Giro started that Hart is their highest level GT contender, god knows what their plan is but I think that's a great signing for Trek (if he can stay upright). Ineos either have someone pushing some insane numbers that they are going to look to, a shock signing lined up or maybe they're just a bit toothless when it comes to GT's at the moment. They're going to flog poor Geriant Thomas until he's 45 at this rate.
As an aside I really do rate Turner, he rode and exceptional debut last year and was really threatening at the start of this year until he fell.
As an aside I really do rate Turner, he rode and exceptional debut last year and was really threatening at the start of this year until he fell.
Who on the team is going to be Olympic track focused for next year? Hayter x 2, Tarling, Viviani, Ganna?, Plapp? If its all of those it would put a hole in who they have available.
They are going to have 30 riders in their squad for 2024, I'm sure they'll manage.
- Jul 8, 2017
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They still lost Carapaz, Yates, DVB and Porte (not as a rider to bring results, but as a likely big wage) last year. That alone should be enough to cover for the pay rise of the mentioned riders.
And while they still have considerable amount ot talent, they don't have any capable of delivering ng TOP results, at least yet. And with TGH's Giro, they may have lost they're best bet, who is British on top of that.
Carapaz, Yates, Van Baarle and Porte are 4 riders.
But you have Hayter, Pidcock, Sheffield, Rodriguez, Plapp, Turner, Geoghegan Hart all riders that have made progress and perhaps Ganna can command a bigger contract than a few years ago as well and they've brought Arensman in, who musn't have been cheap after 2022 full of good results.
They don't have anyone as good as Pogacar, Vingegaard or Van Aert, that's why they're going for heaps of young semi-leaders, hoping one of them reaches that level eventually, instead of a more organised approach of a few elite leaders (because no one is available) and experienced domestiques. The former approach means their roster is less sustainable long term and there was always going to be a lot of turnover.
The same was happening to Quick-Step over years, a lot of riders went there and made progress and couldn't fit into the budget anymore after a few years, so they were losing a lot of good riders each year, but still kept performing at the same level as a team because new riders were coming in and developing.
Ineos has a lot of riders who are younger than 25 but already have had some pretty big results. A lot of them are going to improve further in the coming years and fill the void for those who are leaving. That's how it's going for pretty much any team that's relying on young riders and develops them well.
- Jul 8, 2017
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It's not about the amount of riders, but the amount of budget they are/were eating. And I don't even include Dunbar and Amador, who's contracts might have been decently high as well..
How much has Plapp, Hayter and Ganna really progressed to justify a (big) pay rise? They are (very likely) losing Tao and Rodriguez (eventually).
That leaves you with Pidcock (should be on very high contract already, so a massive pay rise doesn't look really possible), Sheffield, okay, I give you that, but his contract is until next year, so his original contract is probably not increased YET and Turner, who could be in for a good pay rise, but not too much (yet as well).
You're right about Arensman, but considering they may lose one or more of DFM/De Plus/Sivakov, even GT the situation doesn't look too bright.
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