Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread

[Netserk]

the 2.5 M is what he'd earn in his third year with the team. he starts lower.

At that point, he'd have the same age as Bernal had in 2021 and Quintana had in 2014. Well into their primes. Of course, that's the best case scenario.

 

[Anderis]

If 2.5M was fair value for a second year pro (even as talented as Martinez is), the WT budgets would be a lot higher than they are now.

Let's say that rider costs are hypothetically 80% of the budget. For a 25M budget team, 2.5M on a rider would be 12.5% of the rider cost total.

I don't know about other leagues, but in NHL for example, 12.5% of the current salary cap is superstar money (over 10M a year).

So I would say, either the 2.5M is made up, the valuation of a second year pro is way off (assuming a budget of around 25M), or the budget of a team making such an offer is substantially higher than 25M.

The thing is, Bahrain may be just making a gamble on Martinez. How much they're willing to pay him doesn't need to be representative of how much other riders are able to get. He may as well be the biggest GT talent who's younger than Pogacar/Vingegaard/Remco at the moment so I can see why someone would be willing to tempt him by overpaying him in hope that he develops into a great rider soon.

The last time Bahrain has made a big signing was in 2020, I don't think their budget has been that high compared to other teams, unless they're rising it for 2025 and beyond.

Uran was taking around 20% of all rider contract money at Cannondale in 2017. It's not unusual even for poorer teams to pay one particular rider well because every team needs star riders and sometimes it's better to spend the money on one rider that you really need than on 10 riders kinda decent riders but not quite the stars that you need.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

I'm pretty sure there's some sort of law that also forces French teams to pay way more taxes on their riders contracts compared to other teams from other nations. Don't know the specifics but heard some dudes/rider agents talking about it on multiple occasions.

 

[Anderis]

I'm pretty sure there's some sort of law that also forces French teams to pay way more taxes on their riders contracts compared to other teams from other nations.

Could be. Whenever you see these budget estimates, French teams often have higher budgets than you would estimate from their performance levels or roster strength. That could be the reason.

 

[yaco]

FDJ were always going to lose one or possibly two of their talented neo-pro's for 2023. It's a matter if they can keep who is the highest on their priority list.

 

[SafeBet]

If 2.5M was fair value for a second year pro (even as talented as Martinez is), the WT budgets would be a lot higher than they are now.

Let's say that rider costs are hypothetically 80% of the budget. For a 25M budget team, 2.5M on a rider would be 12.5% of the rider cost total.

I don't know about other leagues, but in NHL for example, 12.5% of the current salary cap is superstar money (over 10M a year).

Would Martinez score at least 12,5% of the Bahrain total UCI points in 2025 if he keeps on improving? I think it's likely. And I think Bahrain views him as a potential superstar anyway.

Also, superstars tend to be payed less than their value in almost any sport with a salary cap so a direct comparison with American pro sports can get tricky.

 

[RedheadDane]

Awaiting for Wisniowski and Johansen transfers to be official.

Has it been confirmed? Various Wikipedia pages, as well as PCS, seem to think so...
He's not listed with Sabgal on the UCI home page, but then again; Storm is not listed with Ineos on the UCI home page, and that transfer has definitely been confirmed.

 

[Bolder]

I'm pretty sure there's some sort of law that also forces French teams to pay way more taxes on their riders contracts compared to other teams from other nations. Don't know the specifics but heard some dudes/rider agents talking about it on multiple occasions.

It's a huge problem for French football, too. Unless you're owned by the Qatar PIF.

 

[roundabout]

Would Martinez score at least 12,5% of the Bahrain total UCI points in 2025 if he keeps on improving? I think it's likely. And I think Bahrain views him as a potential superstar anyway.

Also, superstars tend to be payed less than their value in almost any sport with a salary cap so a direct comparison with American pro sports can get tricky.

Yeah, now that I think about it, NHL is a worse comparison than I thought yesterday.

I do wonder what would be the expectation points wise (CQ or PCS) for 2.5M, 1500+ maybe? Or less than 1500 but with the ability to podium major races/be the face of the team?

Looking at things from potential surplus value perspective, maybe 2.5M is reasonable enough (even if it is a bit of a gamble now) depending on the contract term.

 

[Red Rick]

If 2.5M was fair value for a second year pro (even as talented as Martinez is), the WT budgets would be a lot higher than they are now.

Let's say that rider costs are hypothetically 80% of the budget. For a 25M budget team, 2.5M on a rider would be 12.5% of the rider cost total.

I don't know about other leagues, but in NHL for example, 12.5% of the current salary cap is superstar money (over 10M a year).

So I would say, either the 2.5M is made up, the valuation of a second year pro is way off (assuming a budget of around 25M), or the budget of a team making such an offer is substantially higher than 25M.

Its top 10 rider money on what is a bottom end top 10 climber if were optimistic,

 

[DNP-Old]

Paying Vingegaard money for potential alone is crazy, especially given how limited he is. You'll need serious manpower to cover for Lenny's weaknesses.

 

[Netserk]

If Bahrain were to bid for Vingegaard, €2.5M wouldn't cut it. So it's not Vingegaard money.

 

[DNP-Old]

If Bahrain were to bid for Vingegaard, €2.5M wouldn't cut it. So it's not Vingegaard money.

Ok, RedheadDane.

 

[RedheadDane]

Ok, RedheadDane.

I refuse all connection to this.
This involves numbers, definitely not my area of expertice!

 

[pastronef]

it's Gaudu that decides. he made Demare leave, he'll make Lenny leave if necessary

https://twitter.com/x/status/1765812717296746758

View: https://twitter.com/Bernarino2/status/1765812717296746758

 

[Bolder]

Yeah, now that I think about it, NHL is a worse comparison than I thought yesterday.

I do wonder what would be the expectation points wise (CQ or PCS) for 2.5M, 1500+ maybe? Or less than 1500 but with the ability to podium major races/be the face of the team?

Looking at things from potential surplus value perspective, maybe 2.5M is reasonable enough (even if it is a bit of a gamble now) depending on the contract term.

Not crazy money IMO if true. But I don't know what his ceiling is. He's so small that he could gain 5 kg and still be a great climber with a solid tt. Then he'd be a real classic threat, too.

 

[joseph89]

Jasper Philipsen does not rule out leaving Alpecin-Deceuninck: “All options are open”

His manager believes that a move to BORA-hansgrohe or a return to UAE Emirates are possible for the 26-year-old sprinter, while Tudor Pro Cycling has already made a contract proposal.

 

[Roku]

Huub Artz will turn pro in 2025 with Wanty.

 

[Colonel]

Jasper Philipsen does not rule out leaving Alpecin-Deceuninck: “All options are open”

His manager believes that a move to BORA-hansgrohe or a return to UAE Emirates are possible for the 26-year-old sprinter, while Tudor Pro Cycling has already made a contract proposal.

The way he left UAE I cannot see them connecting again. However time does change people and environments.

 

[Anderis]

I don't think the problem with UAE is the way he left them. The problem is that they have so many elite climbers in their roster that it's difficult to imagine Philipsen getting much support in GTs.

I think Alpecin is the best team for a sprinter at the moment from the sporting point of view but maybe money will be the decisive factor here.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

The way he left UAE I cannot see them connecting again. However time does change people and environments.

It would be strange to see Philipsen return. I can’t really see UAE wanting to give him many domestiques in the Tour or other GTs/big one week stage races.

 

[DNP-Old]

Philipsen leaving Alpecin would be like Roglic leaving Visma. His best bet to win his dream race is next to Mathieu, not against him.

 

[Salvarani]

It would make more sense for Philipsen to go SQS and revamp their classics team, or just stay at Alpecin.

Hey, Ala contract soon up and Asgreen as well.

 

[joseph89]

It would make more sense for Philipsen to go SQS and revamp their classics team, or just stay at Alpecin.

Hey, Ala contract soon up and Asgreen as well.

It would make more sense for SOQ to let remco go for the bag and rebuild.

If wishes were horses...

 

[Salvarani]

It would make more sense for SOQ to let remco go for the bag and rebuild.

If wishes were horses...

Dont think it would make sense for them to let Remco go.