The greatest individual sporting lie?

[Polish]

If you are looking at ALL of sports, Pro Cycling will not rank at the top for any list of 'Greatest _____ in Sports" lol.

However, if you are just talking JUST about Cycling - the best answer/guess to ANY category of 'Greatest _____ in Cycling" questtion is to answer Eddy Eddy Eddy.

Guess Eddy and you are usually correct.

Don't get me wrong, I love Eddy! He is my second Favorite rider behind Fausto!

 

[Escarabajo]

I think the biggest lie in sport is Lance Armstrong.

I could be bias since I watch cycling a lot, but at the same time I am into sports in general. So I think I have to agree with Brodeal on this one, just because he is dealing with terminal cancer patients. I say this because some people I knew who had cancer believed so much in him that I did not want to interfere with their faith by telling them the truth. I am not sure if they would have believed me anyway. There have been some friends in my life, who don't have the cancer and actually told them about Lance, and then they bring the "French Conspiracy" theory and some others just have a hard time believing that he cheated just because he has built all this BS about him.

 

[Big GMaC]

If you are looking at ALL of sports, Pro Cycling will not rank at the top for any list of 'Greatest _____ in Sports"

Really? Because I think Lance would have you believe that his 'recovery' post cancer is the greatest recovery in any sport. If you have a different person go ahead but I really can't think of one.

Although I accept your point that Armstrong's recovery isn't the greatest, as you are saying it is based on drugs not talent

However, if you are just talking JUST about Cycling - the best answer/guess to ANY category of 'Greatest _____ in Cycling" questtion is to answer Eddy Eddy Eddy.
!

The question was not about cycling. Just liars. I don't think Eddy comes close to Lance in construction falsehoods about their respective careers.

I mean Eddy was brilliant and racing before the era of O2 carriers meant doping had a far more marginal effect, so Merckx doping infractions count less against him.

And he never marketed his beliefs to terminally ill people...

 

[Digger]

This excerpt says it all.


WE ARE on a flight to Malaga, drinking tea and shooting the breeze about another sporting icon, acclaimed for his courage and inspirational deeds.

“Have you ever interviewed him?” Harrington asks.

“No,” I reply. “I like to give everyone a blank sheet of paper, but I couldn’t do it with him . . . probably the most cynical, hypocritical ******* in the history of sport.”

“Really?” he says, shifting nervously.

“Have you read that stuff in his book about what a devoted husband and father he is? Well, he’d get up on your mother.”

“What!”

“He f**** everything that moves.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/golf/article5114047.ece

 

[Anonymous]

This excerpt says it all.


WE ARE on a flight to Malaga, drinking tea and shooting the breeze about another sporting icon, acclaimed for his courage and inspirational deeds.

“Have you ever interviewed him?” Harrington asks.

“No,” I reply. “I like to give everyone a blank sheet of paper, but I couldn’t do it with him . . . probably the most cynical, hypocritical ******* in the history of sport.”

“Really?” he says, shifting nervously.

“Have you read that stuff in his book about what a devoted husband and father he is? Well, he’d get up on your mother.”

“What!”

“He f**** everything that moves.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/golf/article5114047.ece

but he doesnt say who hes talking about... at least i cant find mention of it...

i know its kimmage.. but he is kinda bitter... his opinion counts for something, but not everything..

 

[Big GMaC]

“Have you read that stuff in his book about what a devoted husband and father he is? Well, he’d get up on your mother. He f**** everything that moves.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/golf/article5114047.ece

God I love Kimmage

 

[Anonymous]

The "I'm sorry that you don't believe in miracles" podium speech was it for me.
He just added to the shame with his 2009 parade of appearance fees all in the name of supposedly "spreading cancer awareness" while lining his pockets at almost a million a pop. Now we have the news that the team doctor for USPS and Discovery was in cahoots with another team's doctor in getting early warnings on the upcoming impromtu drug testing. Of course Armstrong knew nothing about any of this since he's not a hands on type of fella.

this is the trouble though, being a cycling forum we all tend to know about cycling so of course many are going to say lance... im sure that carl lewis made many many dont do drugs, take your vitamins speeches, but we dont know about them...

actually.. in that case.. surely hulk hogan with his "dont do drugs and take your vitamins" is the biggest fraud ever...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

this is the trouble though, being a cycling forum we all tend to know about cycling so of course many are going to say lance... im sure that carl lewis made many many dont do drugs, take your vitamins speeches, but we dont know about them...

actually.. in that case.. surely hulk hogan with his "dont do drugs and take your vitamins" is the biggest fraud ever...

While I tend to agree that we don't know about some other athletes or organizations on how they covered up their doping practices I don't recall any athlete doing something like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VfiXAaEQiY

 

[Lifeshape]

Change of pace here

Okay, how about The Cav beating Haussler in Milan San Remo? I think that was the biggest lie in the 2009 season.

 

[progressor]

While I tend to agree that we don't know about some other athletes or organizations on how they covered up their doping practices I don't recall any athlete doing something like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VfiXAaEQiY

Pfftt. It's a bit revolting, but I've seen worse, that's no worse than so much else out there.

I think some of the posters forget they know a lot about armstrong - probably too much. Go searching/ obsessing for the dirt on a lot of athletes and you'll find as bad or worse. His charity doesn't even get that ratings that bad - what does that tell you about some others?

 

[Max Power]

Are you guys kidding? Armstrong came out of retirement and finished third this year, and his crit never even went past 45!

The guy is one of the greatest athletes in history. Show some respect.

 

[Big GMaC]

Are you guys kidding? Armstrong came out of retirement and finished third this year, and his crit never even went past 45!

The guy is one of the greatest athletes in history. Show some respect.

It may not have gone above 45, but maybe look around a bit, read what some of the knowledgeable guys here have to say, look at the blood readings the he himself published before removing them because of the mass of irregularities in them then think again.

Start with this. Its pretty interesting reading

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

He deserves no respect for the way he has misled everyone and had so many people's trust misplaced in him.

 

[Anonymous]

I think one of the biggest lies I have seen is David beating Muzzin in American Flyers. No way that guy can train a few weeks riding across the USA and whip that guy. That's BS about his brother dying, too. I've seen him in other movies.

I think that was the dawn of the EPO era.

Yea, well that bullcrap about Clubber Lang losing to Rocky is right up there too. Rocky is like 5'1"...I mean please.

 

[Max Power]

It may not have gone above 45, but maybe look around a bit, read what some of the knowledgeable guys here have to say, look at the blood readings the he himself published before removing them because of the mass of irregularities in them then think again.

Start with this. Its pretty interesting reading

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

He deserves no respect for the way he has misled everyone and had so many people's trust misplaced in him.

I've already seen all of that. The fact is, he was competing against guys that in many cases had more red blood cells than he did, but he still came third at the age of 37 and many years out. It shows you he is no fraud.

You don't seem to understand how common doping was in cycling. You're whole premise is misplaced.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I've already seen all of that. The fact is, he was competing against guys that in many cases had more red blood cells than he did, but he still came third at the age of 37 and many years out. It shows you he is no fraud.

You don't seem to understand how common doping was in cycling. You're whole premise is misplaced.

Doping was very common - and then "Hope Rides Again" - Lance even had Dr Ferrrari as his 'trainer' and he is acknowledged as THE doping Doctor.

 

[Anonymous]

Whilst it is not the 'biggest' lie, any winning athlete who points to the sky and says 'thank you god' is a joke really...

God did not help you win anything. Training, hard work, dedication, diet, and if you're a responder, drugs, got you the win... but not divine intervention

(caution: message poster is an atheist, in case you didn't realise.. )

 

[Max Power]

Doping was very common - and then "Hope Rides Again" - Lance even had Dr Ferrrari as his 'trainer' and he is acknowledged as THE doping Doctor.

Dr Ferrari was working with Armstrong this year? I haven't seen that reported anywhere. Where did you get this? I think you are wrong.

 

[peloton]

What does "Hope rides again" mean? Did LA's PR team steal Obama's line?!

 

[progressor]

Whilst it is not the 'biggest' lie, any winning athlete who points to the sky and says 'thank you god' is a joke really...

God did not help you win anything. Training, hard work, dedication, diet, and if you're a responder, drugs, got you the win... but not divine intervention

(caution: message poster is an atheist, in case you didn't realise.. )

Good Point. My question is when Two christian sportsmen or teams play each other and the winner thanks God, does that mean god loves one of them more than the other?:LOL:

 

[BroDeal]

I've already seen all of that. The fact is, he was competing against guys that in many cases had more red blood cells than he did, but he still came third at the age of 37 and many years out. It shows you he is no fraud.

Since Armstrong's blood profile indicates that he got a transfusion in the middle of the Tour, he hardly had less red blood cells than anyone else. In fact the evidence, unless someone can come up with anything to show the other riders got transfusions, indicates that he had more.

Looks like the same old fraud to me.

 

[pedaling squares]

Are you guys kidding? Armstrong came out of retirement and finished third this year, and his crit never even went past 45!

The guy is one of the greatest athletes in history. Show some respect.

I've already seen all of that. The fact is, he was competing against guys that in many cases had more red blood cells than he did, but he still came third at the age of 37 and many years out. It shows you he is no fraud.

You don't seem to understand how common doping was in cycling. You're whole premise is misplaced.

Dr Ferrari was working with Armstrong this year? I haven't seen that reported anywhere. Where did you get this? I think you are wrong.

WARNING! WARNING! HIJACK ALERT!

This thread is being hijacked by a troll. Probably a phoenix risen from the ashes. Beware the ash hole. Stay on topic.

 

[Race Radio]

Dr Ferrari was working with Armstrong this year? I haven't seen that reported anywhere. Where did you get this? I think you are wrong.

Didn't take you long to get a new IP address BPC.

 

[Kingsley A]

Are you guys kidding? Armstrong came out of retirement and finished third this year, and his crit never even went past 45!

The guy is one of the greatest athletes in history. Show some respect.

You are Homer Simpson and I claim my five pounds!

On a more general note, I find it hard to think of any sports personality with greater hypocrisy over the doping issue than Lance. That said, since reading about OP and looking into the background noise about other sports, I think the governing bodies of a lot of them are probably worse than the UCI at trying to promote the image of a clean sport over actually trying to eradicate doping in their field.

Although the evidence isn't there to condemn them yet (like it is for LA) the biggest liar in sport may well turn out to be someone like Sepp Blatter or whoever the heads of the IAAF or ITF are.

[aside] By a bizarre coincidence, whilst checking my OED for the correct spelling of "liar" which for some reason I was having a mental block on, I noticed this usage example for the word "lie": "why had Ashenden lied about his visit to London?"

If it wasn't for the fact that it said London rather than Paris and it was the 2003 rather than a post-2005 edition I'd almost be ready to start believing His Royal Lanceness' conspiracy theories! [/(hopefully amusing) aside]

 

[Kingsley A]

Good Point. My question is when Two christian sportsmen or teams play each other and the winner thanks God, does that mean god loves one of them more than the other?:LOL:

+1

Was going to make a similar reply myself.

I want to hear the second placed athlete turn around and say "I'd like to blame god for favouring him/her/them over me/us!"

After all it make exactly the same amount of sense.

 

[Max Power]

Since Armstrong's blood profile indicates that he got a transfusion in the middle of the Tour, he hardly had less red blood cells than anyone else. In fact the evidence, unless someone can come up with anything to show the other riders got transfusions, indicates that he had more.

Looks like the same old fraud to me.

No, you are wrong.

The hematocrit is the ratio of red blood cells, and at its highest point it did not go past 45. Most of the time it was below this. I'm not saying he blood doped or he didn't blood dope - I'm pointing out that many riders had higher crits than this but he still beat them, at the age of 37 after years out.

Armstrong's performance this year explodes the myth that doping was the key to his success. He is without doubt one of the all time greatest riders.