The latest Astana affair

[richwagmn]

As reported by Ressiot in Equipe http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2009/20091013_132848_une-nouvelle-affaire-astana.html

So perhaps the first doping case from the TdF 2009 will be a very big fish - seems a Parisian lab are analysing used syringes dumped by the Astana team.

Perhaps OCLAESP can do what the UCI have signally failed to do - I rather like the fact that Astana could come a cropper for dumping medical waste and endangering public health.

Now, can I hear all the acolytes cry 'French Conspiracy!'

Why would Astana dispose of doping syringes in a designated container?

 

[python]

there were recent doping case in other sports when some athletes were suspended after the disposed syringes (with no banned substances) were linked by a dna test to the athletes. charge: banned method. i can not see this happening here: i) because it was the uci in charge this year ii) because afld does not have dna samples on all astana riders.

but

curiously they do have armstrong’s hair sample that can easily yield more than enough dna to link him to those syringes if he used them because they trap epithelial cells. hahaha

 

[Race Radio]

"LeMond had a second injection of iron and started feeling stronger"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/tourdefrancearchive/tour2.html

"Then there was the incident from the Giro d’Italia in that same year, when LeMond was struggling. In front of a VeloNews reporter, LeMond received three injections — of iron, he insists, nothing illegal. Nevertheless, his performance improved dramatically."

http://www.mensjournal.com/greg-lemond-vs-the-world

Thank you for proving you are a troll.

Even with your limited comprehension skills you can see there is nothing in those links that talks about "seen shooting up during a stage". Also Lemond never took an iron injection in front of the Velonew reporter, he came down to the hotel lobby after he had an iron injection and told the reporter that he had taken one.

Your attempts to highjack every thread with ridiculous claims that you can never back up are pathetic. No wonder you keep getting banned.

 

[Sprocket01]

To highlight a case of how syringes can be legally used during a tour, in a thread about an investigation of syringes during a tour, is off-topic trolling???

I think I'm being baited again. He does know how to do it.

 

[python]

sprakah,
read this post again
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=98089&postcount=27
your boy must be trembling in his socks along with all your sock puppets

 

[poupou]

there were recent doping case in other sports when some athletes were suspended after the disposed syringes (with no banned substances) were linked by a dna test to the athletes. charge: banned method. i can not see this happening here: i) because it was the uci in charge this year ii) because afld does not have dna samples on all astana riders.

but

curiously they do have armstrong’s hair sample that can easily yield more than enough dna to link him to those syringes if he used them because they trap epithelial cells. hahaha

They have blood and urines too.

And they can test every riders coming on french soil, maybe for the next TDF presentation or on next races.
They can seek CONI help too.

Of course the riders could stay at home baning himself for all french races.

 

[Sprocket01]

But as someone has chosen to dwell on the case of Greg Lemond getting iron injections during a toir, I note it says in the first article he was suffering from anemia during the tour. Can that be right? There is no suggestion that Lemond took anemia drugs, but we know EPO is used for treating anemia, meaning the condition of anemia itself would be absolutely devastating to a cyclist. It's quite puzzling how someone suffering from a condition that reduces red blood cells could go on to win a time trial in that same tour. Very interesting indeed. This raises huge questions for me.

Thank you to the mystery person who made me search out this information.

 

[python]

They have blood and urines too.

And they can test every riders coming on french soil, maybe for the next TDF presentation or on next races.

pou not that quick on all riders because blood is stored in swiss land and urine is a poor media for dna extraction. but i can easily see afld go coni on armstrong if they link him to those syringes because they have a fistful of his hair. banned method on french soil=banned from the tour on french soil. wouldn't that be great?

 

[JayZee]

It certainly sounds like a fishing expedition.

I think they would have found something by now if they have been looking since July. That's probably why they've leaked the story of finding syringes rather than finding a substance, in the hope some mud will still stick regardless. Astana was the bogeyman team.

I have to agree with Sprocket on this. Are we really supposed to believe they haven't conducted the tests after two and half months on the contents of the syringes? This has all the markings of an attempt to discredit a team by insinuation. Even if nothing further is stated, they have succeeded in smearing Astana a little more and in keeping the Le Tour in the news and selling newspapers.

If there is doping products in the syringes then have at Astana and its riders, but this guilt by insinuation is ridiculous.

 

[python]

people please stop feeding the pernicious troll sprakah and his intentional diversions from astana to lemond. we have great topic now

how likely is it that armstrong will be banned from france for using banned method if they link him to those syringes?

i say a fair chance.

 

[Race Radio]

To highlight a case of how syringes can be legally used during a tour, in a thread about an investigation of syringes during a tour, is off-topic trolling???

You accused a rider of "Shooting up during a stage" like most of your claims this was not true. You should not be surprised that someone calls you on your constant lying and trolling.

 

[peloton]

It's several team's medical waste they are investigating, not just Astana's.

 

[richwagmn]

people please stop feeding the pernicious troll sprakah and his intentional diversions from astana to lemond. we have great topic now

.

We have no topic at all. Do you really believe that teams that were doping would dispose of their medical waste in official disposal containers? Unless I'm misreading the press release, that where these syringes were found. Think about it.

 

[Race Radio]

people please stop feeding the pernicious troll sprakah and his intentional diversions from astana to lemond. we have great topic now

how likely is it that armstrong will be banned from france for using banned method if they link him to those syringes?

i say a fair chance.

I think you raise a good point, but it will be a stretch.

Perhaps the AFLD has a more stringent set of rules then WADA?

 

[python]

We have no topic at all. Do you really believe that teams that were doping would dispose of their medical waste in official disposal containers? Unless I'm misreading the press release, that where these syringes were found. Think about it.

read my posts above again. the syringes don't have to contain banned products for a wada violation to take place. use of needles can constitute a banned method if not medically necessary or authorized. there were several suspensions in other sports. besides, teams make mistakes too.

 

[rolfrae]

But what happens should they find syringes with banned substances but are not able to prove a link to any specific rider on the team? Then Astana gets banned (not so good for AC) but it doesn't effect Armstrong as he's off the team?

 

[Ferminal]

We have no topic at all. Do you really believe that teams that were doping would dispose of their medical waste in official disposal containers? Unless I'm misreading the press release, that where these syringes were found. Think about it.

I think if what others are suggesting is correct, it's not the presence of banned substances which is in question, rather the use of injections to begin with.

 

[python]

I think if what others are suggesting is correct, it's not the presence of banned substances which is in question, rather the use of injections to begin with.

right. the wada code downright prohibits the use of any and all iv needles and strictly regulates the use of other syringe sizes by medical necessity. it was introduced to guard against illegal blood transfusions and dilutions. diluca was accused of nothing less but got away in 2008.

 

[Sprocket01]

I have to agree with Sprocket on this. Are we really supposed to believe they haven't conducted the tests after two and half months on the contents of the syringes? This has all the markings of an attempt to discredit a team by insinuation. Even if nothing further is stated, they have succeeded in smearing Astana a little more and in keeping the Le Tour in the news and selling newspapers.

If there is doping products in the syringes then have at Astana and its riders, but this guilt by insinuation is ridiculous.

Yes I totally agree. It seems like more of that famed 'special treatment' for Astana and Armstrong.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes I totally agree. It seems like more of that famed 'special treatment' for Astana and Armstrong.

Armstrong forgot to give a $500,000 donation to the AFLD. It used to be so much easier when all you had to do was pay off the UCI, now with WADA and the AFLD it suddenly gets expensive.

 

[poupou]

I have to agree with Sprocket on this. Are we really supposed to believe they haven't conducted the tests after two and half months on the contents of the syringes? This has all the markings of an attempt to discredit a team by insinuation. Even if nothing further is stated, they have succeeded in smearing Astana a little more and in keeping the Le Tour in the news and selling newspapers.

If there is doping products in the syringes then have at Astana and its riders, but this guilt by insinuation is ridiculous.

You are missing the point here. That is not a sport affair, it's Justice now, and our Justice is not so quick but maybe the testing is already done. We just don't know.

 

[Sprocket01]

Who paid off the guy on the grassy knoll? That's what I want to know.

 

[Digger]

It certainly sounds like a fishing expedition.

I think they would have found something by now if they have been looking since July. That's probably why they've leaked the story of finding syringes rather than finding a substance, in the hope some mud will still stick regardless. Astana was the bogeyman team.

Of course, teams use injections all the time for vitamins during the tours. Greg Lemond was once seen shooting up during a stage.

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Lies....SSDD

 

[flicker]

Herr Docktor

This is another example of Astana/Lance/Alberto bashing.
We all know that drugs pay key in professional cycling.
It gives the bashers a reason to breathe and exist.

 

[Digger]

But as someone has chosen to dwell on the case of Greg Lemond getting iron injections during a toir, I note it says in the first article he was suffering from anemia during the tour. Can that be right? There is no suggestion that Lemond took anemia drugs, but we know EPO is used for treating anemia, meaning the condition of anemia itself would be absolutely devastating to a cyclist. It's quite puzzling how someone suffering from a condition that reduces red blood cells could go on to win a time trial in that same tour. Very interesting indeed. This raises huge questions for me.
Thank you to the mystery person who made me search out this information.

It wasn't the Tour de France you liar.
Secondly would it ever occur to you that his amaemia was related to his near fatal blood loss whilst hunting.