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VeloCity

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It's not just Astana, it's a number of teams under investigation, of which Astana is apparently one - how can it be a witch hunt if a number of teams are being investigated?

"According to French daily Le Monde, the investigation involves a number of teams, including the Astana squad of Tour winner Alberto Contador and his soon-to-be-former teammate Lance Armstrong. Prosecutors, however, noted they are reviewing materials from several teams and have not targeted individual riders or specific teams thus far. The investigation was triggered after several “suspicious items” were found among bags of medical waste delivered to the company contracted by the Tour to handle their disposal."

http://beta.velonews.com/article/99199/french-open-tour-investigation
http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...ar-une-enquete-preliminaire_1253504_3242.html
 
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so minus all the personal bias here what is the real issue?

Is the the medical/doping methods in question or is it the potential contents of the syringes?
 
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Digger said:
Secondly would it ever occur to you that his amaemia was related to his near fatal blood loss whilst hunting.
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Why should that occur to me? It is irrelevant. I am astonished that someone with that condition could take part in a tour at all, let alone go on to win a TT. Those must have been damn good iron injections, whether or not they were taken moments before or after the stage, not that that matters.
 
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Why is that surprising, considering that the winner of the Tour and the third place finisher both ride for Astana, and that Contador and Armstrong are probably the biggest names in cycling?

But regardless, point is, there are questions being raised about the medical waste of "several" teams, which makes the argument that "they" are "out to get" one team (ie Astana), as you and others have been implying, simply wrong.
 
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Why should that occur to me? It is irrelevant. I am astonished that someone with that condition could take part in a tour at all, let alone go on to win a TT. Those must have been damn good iron injections, whether or not they were taken moments before or after the stage, not that that matters.
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True...that would take logic.
 
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VeloCity said:
Why is that surprising, considering that the winner of the Tour and the third place finisher both ride for Astana, and that Contador and Armstrong are probably the biggest names in cycling?

But regardless, point is, there are questions being raised about the medical waste of "several" teams, which makes the argument that "they" are "out to get" one team (ie Astana), as you and others have been implying, simply wrong.
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You've got to admit it doesn't look good. The other teams are a closely guarded secret doubtless to avoid them being smeared unnecessarily, but they blab about Astana.

It's also not clear if they are going through the rubbish of other teams as well, or are simply examining supplements they were taking.
 
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I didn't say it was the Tour de France. It was the Giro. I accept your apology.
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But as someone has chosen to dwell on the case of Greg Lemond getting iron injections during a toir, I note it says in the first article he was suffering from anemia during the tour.

Tour = Tour de France
Giro = Giro D'Italia
Vuelta = Tour of Spain
 
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Digger said:
But as someone has chosen to dwell on the case of Greg Lemond getting iron injections during a toir, I note it says in the first article he was suffering from anemia during the tour.

Tour = Tour de France
Giro = Giro D'Italia
Vuelta = Tour of Spain
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They're all tours.
 
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I think I'm being baited again. He does know how to do it. :eek:
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That is what normally happens to worms.
Go away.


We already know that a number of teams are under investigation, not just Astana.
Who singles out Astana by name? The press. Why? Well, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. A media hungry hound has to swallow the lot, not just the bits that sing praise.

We are constantly told by the fanboys that he is a media magnet, yet they complain when the press is bad.

I'd suggest the news out of Kazakhstan, today, has far worse implications for LA and his new team, than this investigation.
 
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Name where you said it was the Giro.
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I didn't. I simply said it was 'that tour' and assumed people knew what tour I was talking about. It's in the first article I linked to - that's what I was refering to. In that article it did not repeat the term 'Giro' each time it refered to events during that tour. It said 'later duing the tour' and such like.

Thank you.
 
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VeloCity said:
Why is that surprising, considering that the winner of the Tour and the third place finisher both ride for Astana, and that Contador and Armstrong are probably the biggest names in cycling?

But regardless, point is, there are questions being raised about the medical waste of "several" teams, which makes the argument that "they" are "out to get" one team (ie Astana), as you and others have been implying, simply wrong.
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I didn't read anything about "several" teams in this quote from cyclingnews:

"Two and a half months after the Tour de France, public prosecution in Paris has opened a preliminary investigation against the Astana team, whose rider Alberto Contador won the event. The object of the investigation is the content of several syringes that the squad disposed of at the event, according to L'Equipe.

At the Tour de France, organiser Amaury Sport Organization (ASO) provides the teams with special containers to collect medical waste. The Central Office against environmental damage and public health (OCLAESP) has opened the proceedings after discovering several "suspect" syringes in the containers that belonged to the Astana team during the race.

The content of the syringes is currently being analysed by expert judiciary laboratory Toxlab in Paris. It is not known when the results are being expected."

Obviously there have been other articles about evidence of diverse substances being used by several teams, but this story about disposed syringes is targeted, rightfully or wrongfully, at Astana. I don't believe there is a french conspiracy or anything like that, I just believe there is a desire to sell newspapers and keep stories about the tour alive year round.
 
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Sprocket01 said:
I didn't. I simply said it was the tour and assumed people knew what tour I was talking about. It's in the first article I linked to - that's what I was refering to. In that article it did not repeat the term 'Giro' each time it refered to events during that tour. It said 'later duing the tour' and such like.

Thank you.
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Not one of those articles supported your lie. Lemond never injected anything during a stage. This was yet another of your complete inventions.

It was, like most of your posts, a deliberate attempt to derail the thread. You have only succeded in confirming what most here already know, you are a troll and add no value to the board.

No wonder you have been banned and your posts erased several times.
 
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JayZee said:
I didn't read anything about "several" teams in this quote from cyclingnews:

"Two and a half months after the Tour de France, public prosecution in Paris has opened a preliminary investigation against the Astana team, whose rider Alberto Contador won the event. The object of the investigation is the content of several syringes that the squad disposed of at the event, according to L'Equipe.

At the Tour de France, organiser Amaury Sport Organization (ASO) provides the teams with special containers to collect medical waste. The Central Office against environmental damage and public health (OCLAESP) has opened the proceedings after discovering several "suspect" syringes in the containers that belonged to the Astana team during the race.

The content of the syringes is currently being analysed by expert judiciary laboratory Toxlab in Paris. It is not known when the results are being expected."

Obviously there have been other articles about evidence of diverse substances being used by several teams, but this story about disposed syringes is targeted, rightfully or wrongfully, at Astana. I don't believe there is a french conspiracy or anything like that, I just believe there is a desire to sell newspapers and keep stories about the tour alive year round.
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Velonews has a better take on this

http://www.velonews.com/article/99199/french-open-tour-investigation

According to French daily Le Monde, the investigation involves a number of teams including the Astana squad of Tour winner Alberto Contador and his soon-to-be-former teammate Lance Armstrong. Prosecutors, however, noted they are reviewing materials from several teams and have not targeted individual riders or specific teams thus far.
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Somebody wouldn't be focusing on semantics about whether Greg Lemond got an injection during or before a stage, like that is relevant to the point THAT HE GOT AN INJECTIOIN, and pretending this is a big lie designed to divert the thread, would they? Who does that type of thing? Oh yeah, the troll does.
 
Race Radio

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Sprocket01 said:
Somebody wouldn't be focusing on semantics about whether Greg Lemond got an injection during or before a stage, like that is relevant to the point THAT HE GOT AN INJECTIOIN, and pretending this is a big lie designed to divert the thread, would they? Who does that type of thing? Oh yeah, the troll does.
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It is the same thing every day. You write something completely outrageous in a attempt to bait others and derail the thread. You then complain of persecution.

It is no wonder you have been banned multiple times for trolling.
 
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It takes less than 24 hours to run standard blood screens for drugs. The process should be the same for any type of screening, most of the delay is due to the required multiple levels of review.

I have been told it take approximately the same 24 hour period to run DNA testing, however, the standard seems to be three weeks once the lab actually starts the process.

While this news is interesting, it should be even more so when and if they release the result (no matter what they are). I expect the hear La paid them off, LA set up Contador, Contador set up LA, another team set up Astana, or Astana set up another team.
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But these wouldn't be blood samples/screens. It makes it a little more complicated. If they can use FT-IR, could take 10 minutes. If they have to use GC-MS or any of it's variants, could take a couple days, provided they have the equipment. Surely no more than a week.
 
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To tell the truth, I haven't read the whole thread, however, the Eurosport article (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/13102009/58/tour-de-france-tour-syringes-under-analysis.html) says the spokeswoman for the Paris prosecutors "did not specify which teams were concerned by the investigation and did not confirm reports saying it was aimed at Astana"

The CN piece, however, says "The object of the investigation is the content of several syringes that the squad [Astana] disposed of at the event, according to L'Equipe."

I haven't read the original article. Can anyone who read the original article clarify if the L'Equipe article referred exclusively to Astana? Just wondering if CN or L'Equipe or both are sensationalizing this by giving the impression it's just Astana under investigation.
 
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manolo said:
To tell the truth, I haven't read the whole thread, however, the Eurosport article (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/13102009/58/tour-de-france-tour-syringes-under-analysis.html) says the spokeswoman for the Paris prosecutors "did not specify which teams were concerned by the investigation and did not confirm reports saying it was aimed at the Astana"

The CN piece, however, says "The object of the investigation is the content of several syringes that the squad [Astana] disposed of at the event, according to L'Equipe."

I haven't read the original article. Can anyone who read the original article clarify if the L'Equipe article referred exclsively to Astana? Just wondering if CN or L'Equipe or both are sensationalizing this by giving the impression it's just Astana under investigation.
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Yes the Beeb doesn't mention Astana either.

You're not suggesting that the French press is bias against Armstrong, are you?
 
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