The Mathieu Van der Poel Mountainbike Thread

[MTBrider]

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I expected more from him. His start position wasn't good, but after Absalon's flat the two were together and Absalon finished 3rd so...

Mathieu suffered from a flat and a broken rim with 2 and a half laps to go when he was around position 26. That setback pushed him to 32nd.

http://www.bkcp-corendon.be/nl/single-news.php?id=608

That flat was a big deal. Top 25 and he would get a World Cup call up, after that it is UCI points. He is going to be starting way back. Like triple digits back.

 

[King Boonen]

One side show over, another just beginning...

 

[jmdirt]

I wish that he would have stuck it out a bit longer! It aint as easy as it looks though huh?

 

[King Boonen]

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I wish that he would have stuck it out a bit longer! It aint as easy as it looks though huh?

I do feel there's a bit of schadenfreude here. Lots of people think XC is just for roadies in the winter. It felt like VdP thought he would just be able to switch across and hang with the big boys and that proved not to be true. In fact he was made to look extremely ordinary.


I think lots of people don't quite realise how tough XC riding is. They think the technical bits are easy and that the riders aren't really that fit compared to road riders. In reality the technical bits are really, really technical. Watching video and looking at photos of some of those WC tracks I know people who would want a 160mm FS enduro bike before they would even consider riding them. The fact that guys like Albason and Schurter and zipping down on 70 odd degree head angle, short travel bikes is insane. They're doing it when their heart-rate is up at 90 odd % of maximum too! A recent video of Marc Beaumont (current UCI DH racer) against Nino Schurter showed just how fast these guys are. Shurter was faster on the downhill and much, much faster on the uphill.

The fitness is completely different too. It's sprint/climb, descend, sprint/climb, descend. There is no let up, no pushing big numbers for a few minutes to an hour in a break, it's extremely explosive and I think people get a shock when they actually experience it.

I think the same is going to happen with Sagan if I'm honest. He's put even less into it than VdP, his training suits the riding less and he's not even bothered racing much. I will be extremely surprised if he's anywhere near the podium in the Olympics.

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

I wish that he would have stuck it out a bit longer! It aint as easy as it looks though huh?

I do feel there's a bit of schadenfreude here. Lots of people think XC is just for roadies in the winter. It felt like VdP thought he would just be able to switch across and hang with the big boys and that proved not to be true. In fact he was made to look extremely ordinary.


I think lots of people don't quite realise how tough XC riding is. They think the technical bits are easy and that the riders aren't really that fit compared to road riders. In reality the technical bits are really, really technical. Watching video and looking at photos of some of those WC tracks I know people who would want a 160mm FS enduro bike before they would even consider riding them. The fact that guys like Albason and Schurter and zipping down on 70 odd degree head angle, short travel bikes is insane. They're doing it when their heart-rate is up at 90 odd % of maximum too! A recent video of Marc Beaumont (current UCI DH racer) against Nino Schurter showed just how fast these guys are. Shurter was faster on the downhill and much, much faster on the uphill.

The fitness is completely different too. It's sprint/climb, descend, sprint/climb, descend. There is no let up, no pushing big numbers for a few minutes to an hour in a break, it's extremely explosive and I think people get a shock when they actually experience it.

I think the same is going to happen with Sagan if I'm honest. He's put even less into it than VdP, his training suits the riding less and he's not even bothered racing much. I will be extremely surprised if he's anywhere near the podium in the Olympics.

That's why I was surprised that VdP wasn't so good at XC. For sure, XC is much mroe technical, but Cyclocross is also intense with no let up. I though VdP would have been not as fit as Nino but among the top 10 riders, but I guess he wasn't, and not good enough on the downhill.

 

[King Boonen]

I think the issue is that XCO is much more technical than CX. It's not just descents that are technical, the climbs are too. That makes a really big difference, it takes real technique to keep speed on a technical climb. One mistake and you can lose 10-30 seconds easily. Add into it the skills required for descending which is much harder these days and it's a very different ball game. The days of dirt roadies in the pros are gone. It might still exist on the local scene but not at the top.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Maybe this thread needs a bump.............

 

[andrew_s]

Whilst MVDP's rides in 2018/19/21 seem to have resolved the skills question, his performances after the Tokyo Olympics have replaced that question by "Is he prepared to put the time in?", and since he's not finished a ranking race since, it looks like the answer is No.

Fitting MTB training into the gaps in a full road program might get the form good enough to get good time trial times round a course on your own, but it's no preparation for rubbing elbows with 40 or so other riders after a mid/rear grid start.

IMO, he needs to start with a couple of French Cup or Bike Revolution races before getting into World Cups, but he's run out of time on that this year.

Pidders at least rides enough to maintain a top 50 ranking, with consequent XCC starts and the chance to grid well for the main event.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

Yeah, we've discussed this numerous times on the MTB thread, and the MvdP Road thread..........

Having great form won't help if he's done very little technical training - and racing.

It's not CX, where he can just turn up and dominate from the first race. The fields in XC MTB are far deeper, and technically excellent - you can't win through more watts.

As you say, since finishing 2nd to Pidcock in Nove Mesto in 2021, his record is DNF, DNF, 28, DNF......all caused by first lap crashes.

I wonder what his plans are after the Tour......