The most hyped rider in the off season only to not perform for season 2012 is ?

[Ryo Hazuki]

i must admit i like pozzovivo not only because he has a cool name but also because of his performance in the 2010 trentino

he was actually called puzzovivo but changed his name. lol

 

[theyoungest]

he was actually called puzzovivo but changed his name. lol

Probably because puzzo vivo means "living stink" or something like that.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

This exactly I really want to see all 5 of them in the Giro!

I want to see Pozzovivo, Modolo, Pirazzi and maybe some of their young guys in the giro.
I want to see Di Luca, Garzelli, Betancurt in the giro.
I want to see Gatto, Guardini, Pozzato and Ascani (think he can do pretty well in GC although he will probably be a bit of an invisible rider in the giro).
I want to see Rujano, Sella, Serpa and Ferrari in the giro.
And I want to see south American entertainment in the giro!

If I had to chose for 1 of those 5 to be left out I would leave Farnese Vini out.

there could be as many as 16 colombians in next years giro _O_

henao
serpa
rubiano
betancourt
sarmiento
anacona
quintana (probably not)
9 from coldeportes
probably:
duarte
suarez
atapuma
chalapud
marentes
osorio
laverde
pena
chavez

incredible!!

 

[Parrulo]

Gerrans should not be a protected rider. Do I have to remind you what happened at Mendrisio? I think I will. Neil Stephens organised a team vote between Gerrans and Evans on who should be the team leader. The team voted for Gerrans (how is that remotely logical i do not know) 8-1. Evans was a loyal servant to Gerrans. Inthe last lap, Evans hung back with the 2nd group when the split occured so ge didn't drag anyone across to the dangerous move that Gerrans was in. Clearly he didn't have it so while Cancellara was putting in a big attack Evans had to ride across on his own to get across to the lead group. The rest is history but what I am saying is that Gerrans is not in the league Evans is in regarding hilly classics. Until Clarke really proves himself next year he should also not be a protected rider.

wow, did they really vote gerrans over evans? good lord talk about being dumb

 

[auscyclefan94]

wow, did they really vote gerrans over evans? good lord talk about being dumb

Yes, it happened. Gerrans and Evans have denied it but like many others I do not believe what they are saying.

 

[Mambo95]

wow, did they really vote gerrans over evans? good lord talk about being dumb

It may seem dumb in retrospect, but it wasn't really at the time. It was a fairly sensible decision.

Gerrans had won GP Ouest France (Plouay), a stage in both the Giro and the Vuelta and been in the top ten in all three Ardennes classics.

Evans had just done a good Vuelta (after a substandard year), but he wasn't someone you'd bet the house on in a one day race. He'd rarely (literally) crossed the line first in any race.

(It's also worth noting that the first person over the line after the nine-strong selection was Gerrans.)

 

[Frosty]

Gerrans should not be a protected rider. Do I have to remind you what happened at Mendrisio? I think I will. Neil Stephens organised a team vote between Gerrans and Evans on who should be the team leader. The team voted for Gerrans (how is that remotely logical i do not know) 8-1. Evans was a loyal servant to Gerrans. Inthe last lap, Evans hung back with the 2nd group when the split occured so ge didn't drag anyone across to the dangerous move that Gerrans was in. Clearly he didn't have it so while Cancellara was putting in a big attack Evans had to ride across on his own to get across to the lead group. The rest is history but what I am saying is that Gerrans is not in the league Evans is in regarding hilly classics. Until Clarke really proves himself next year he should also not be a protected rider.

Just looked back at the video, dont think ive watched it since the day it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUplAPmV61I

Cant see Gerrans there at all when Cancellara attacks at about 1.50 in but you can see the effort it took Evans to get in (although we got back before Liggett noticed)

Drifting a bit O/T here

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Simon Gerrans is a solid rider. He just can't win the big races. However he is a dangerous threat in all the races he goes to because he has been consistent as of late/ if he gets in breaks he will win. I do however agree that Simon Clarke is better and shows a lot of potential.

The only way Gerrans will be a threat to win any big races is if he goes back to riding like he did in '08-'09. Since then he has accumulated good results more or less by hiding in the bunch and then riding to an anonymous lower-half-of-the-top-10 when the real big guns give it a go. As long as he's racing like that he won't win anything big; he's going to need to start gambling again because he simply can't just let it go to a straight fight with the likes of Evans, Gilbert, Cunego, Valverde, the Schlecks, Sánchez and the like. Gerrans used to be very tactically astute, and knew very well how to get the victories from small groups. Now it seems he isn't interested in that, or is stuck in that horrible middle-ground (like Cunego is in GTs) where he's too dangerous to let up the road, but not good enough to challenge for the win if he isn't.

Your last sentence I definitely agree with though. Clarke has the potential to be a real, genuine hilly classic threat.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Just looked back at the video, dont think ive watched it since the day it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUplAPmV61I

Cant see Gerrans there at all when Cancellara attacks at about 1.50 in but you can see the effort it took Evans to get in (although we got back before Liggett noticed)

Drifting a bit O/T here

1:30 -2:30 shows Gerrans trying to go with the move but eventually going backwards.

 

[auscyclefan94]

It may seem dumb in retrospect, but it wasn't really at the time. It was a fairly sensible decision.

Gerrans had won GP Ouest France (Plouay), a stage in both the Giro and the Vuelta and been in the top ten in all three Ardennes classics.

Evans had just done a good Vuelta (after a substandard year), but he wasn't someone you'd bet the house on in a one day race. He'd rarely (literally) crossed the line first in any race.

(It's also worth noting that the first person over the line after the nine-strong selection was Gerrans.)

Evans was a much safer bet than Gerrans. I don't see how your logic makes any sense tbh. Gerrans did have 3 top tens but they were basically from sitting back and sprinting for the finish. He clearly does not have the strength on the climbs Evans has.

anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed watching that mendrisio video.

 

[El Pistolero]

Just looked back at the video, dont think ive watched it since the day it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUplAPmV61I

Cant see Gerrans there at all when Cancellara attacks at about 1.50 in but you can see the effort it took Evans to get in (although we got back before Liggett noticed)

Drifting a bit O/T here

"He hasn't won a race since his second place at the Worlds of 2007"

Trolololololol

 

[greenedge]

The only way Gerrans will be a threat to win any big races is if he goes back to riding like he did in '08-'09. Since then he has accumulated good results more or less by hiding in the bunch and then riding to an anonymous lower-half-of-the-top-10 when the real big guns give it a go. As long as he's racing like that he won't win anything big; he's going to need to start gambling again because he simply can't just let it go to a straight fight with the likes of Evans, Gilbert, Cunego, Valverde, the Schlecks, Sánchez and the like. Gerrans used to be very tactically astute, and knew very well how to get the victories from small groups. Now it seems he isn't interested in that, or is stuck in that horrible middle-ground (like Cunego is in GTs) where he's too dangerous to let up the road, but not good enough to challenge for the win if he isn't.

Your last sentence I definitely agree with though. Clarke has the potential to be a real, genuine hilly classic threat.

I know which is why i said he can't win big races. The only way he really can is if one day his sprint magically improves or he goes back to his old ways ( which is what i should have elaborated on ). Next year though i expect him and Clarke to be a good tandem positioning one or the other for a podium at the Ardennes. I think Clarke should be the leader and Gerrans have a free role to attack. That would make the race harder ( sometimes there are just sprints to the line ) and give him a better chance of winning. He also has good stamina and is not that explosive.

 

[greenedge]

my bad, sorry greenedge.

Thats' fine, my sentence was not that clear.

 

[El Pistolero]

The only way Gerrans will be a threat to win any big races is if he goes back to riding like he did in '08-'09. Since then he has accumulated good results more or less by hiding in the bunch and then riding to an anonymous lower-half-of-the-top-10 when the real big guns give it a go. As long as he's racing like that he won't win anything big; he's going to need to start gambling again because he simply can't just let it go to a straight fight with the likes of Evans, Gilbert, Cunego, Valverde, the Schlecks, Sánchez and the like. Gerrans used to be very tactically astute, and knew very well how to get the victories from small groups. Now it seems he isn't interested in that, or is stuck in that horrible middle-ground (like Cunego is in GTs) where he's too dangerous to let up the road, but not good enough to challenge for the win if he isn't.

Your last sentence I definitely agree with though. Clarke has the potential to be a real, genuine hilly classic threat.

What's he doing there?

 

[Ripper]

Just looked back at the video, dont think ive watched it since the day it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUplAPmV61I

Cant see Gerrans there at all when Cancellara attacks at about 1.50 in but you can see the effort it took Evans to get in (although we got back before Liggett noticed)

Drifting a bit O/T here

That was a great race on a great course. The efforts they were putting in were amazing. FC might have damaged his bike from riding it so intensely

 

[will10]

early march? that should be enough with duarte winning lugano and chiasso(or whatever it's called now and suarez laigueglia or some italian race with hills

RCS said they wanted to get them done and dusted early January.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

where did they say that?

 

[Angliru]

Yes, it happened. Gerrans and Evans have denied it but like many others I do not believe what they are saying.

Any idea where the story of this team vote rumour originated?

 

[just some guy]

Any idea where the story of this team vote rumour originated?

Out of the Australian team and Journos close to the team.

The story as I heard it was the team vote 8 - Gerrans 1 for Evans - which I guess was himself, Evans got ****ty and went off in the meeting. Which got under the others skin even more . To calm him down Wes Sulzberger was given to Help Evans( if not Wes one of the brothers) as a dom. Cadel and Wes got on well and Wes did a great job helping Evans until not required anymore and the rest is History

 

[Angliru]

Out of the Australian team and Journos close to the team.

The story as I heard it was the team vote 8 - Gerrans 1 for Evans - which I guess was himself, Evans got ****ty and went off in the meeting. Which got under the others skin even more . To calm him down Wes Sulzberger was given to Help Evans( if not Wes one of the brothers) as a dom. Cadel and Wes got on well and Wes did a great job helping Evans until not required anymore and the rest is History

It seems odd for the team management to not make a firm decision on their own about who will be the team's leader/protected rider. It all worked out well in the end but it seems a bit wishy-washy.

 

[Ripper]

It seems odd for the team management to not make a firm decision on their own about who will be the team's leader/protected rider. It all worked out well in the end but it seems a bit wishy-washy.

Agreed. If this story s true and not just a touch of drama, then it's odd and a bit dumb - goes to show you how good the management was

 

[auscyclefan94]

Any idea where the story of this team vote rumour originated?

Well the media close to the Aus team reported it and I have two very good sources who will remain unnamed claimed the same thing.

Out of the Australian team and Journos close to the team.

The story as I heard it was the team vote 8 - Gerrans 1 for Evans - which I guess was himself, Evans got ****ty and went off in the meeting. Which got under the others skin even more . To calm him down Wes Sulzberger was given to Help Evans( if not Wes one of the brothers) as a dom. Cadel and Wes got on well and Wes did a great job helping Evans until not required anymore and the rest is History

I don't blame him for getting ****ty about it, it showed how the Australian team leadership was basically a clique voting for their favourite team member. For a DS like Stephens to do that was pretty shoddy. In saying that, Cadel is known to be good friends with Clarke and Sulzberger who didn't vote for him.

 

[greenedge]

Clarke ended up doing quite a lot of work for Evans. In the pre-WC issue last year of RIDE Evans credits Clarke for being really strong and full of talent.

 

[Angliru]

Well the media close to the Aus team reported it and I have two very good sources who will remain unnamed claimed the same thing.



I don't blame him for getting ****ty about it, it showed how the Australian team leadership was basically a clique voting for their favourite team member. For a DS like Stephens to do that was pretty shoddy. In saying that, Cadel is known to be good friends with Clarke and Sulzberger who didn't vote for him.

If it's a clique why would Evans' "good friends" not support his leadership over Gerrans? There has to be more to it than what appears on the surface.

 

[hatcher]

Yep, 8 riders out of 8 is a pretty uncliquey clique.