Well, then you could change the rules of yellow cards, so that riders don't necessarily start from scratch after New Year.
Actually, I would find most other sanctions relevant other than DQ here. Maybe a ten second penalty at the finish line.
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Actually, I would find most other sanctions relevant other than DQ here. Maybe a ten second penalty at the finish line.
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Not yet: purely theoretical for now
It would have no consequences because they are only illustrative for now, not because of the season end
That doesn't need a change of rules, because the rules don't have a clean sheet for a new season.
6 cards in a year: 30 day ban.
2 yellow cards = banned for two weeks of racing. Or minus 100 UCI points. Or something like that.
That's what I meant by "use it more".
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2 in one event is 7 day ban; 3 in 30 days brings 14 day ban; 6 in a year, 30 day ban. No card can count towards two sanctions.2 yellow cards = banned for two weeks of racing. Or minus 100 UCI points. Or something like that.
That's what I meant by "use it more".
I guess getting the penalty triggering card in one's last race in October (once it comes into play) would be a bit of a get out of jail free card: rule does state that the suspension starts from the day of the card. Maybe we will see all sorts of silliness in last race of the season races from those one short of a suspension: Guangxi could end up like some sort of Breakfast Club detention hall.
As I understand it, the yellow cards do not carry UCI point deductions (or fines) of themselves, but the offences for which they can be given often do, so this is an additional penalty, not a replacement. (Whether that is the case in practice remains to be seen.)
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how did no rider have a disadvantage? He was in the middle of launching a sneak attack with the express intent of making it hard to follow him. If he didn't want to put the surrounding riders at a disadvantage, he would have waited for an opening and said, "excuse me, I'm going to pull now, hop on my wheel".
Relegating a sprinter is equivalent to disqualifying him. Relegating MVDP in this scenario (a) would have made no sense, because his continued presence has already influenced the outcome of the race and (b) would have been just as bad from MVDP's perspective since it would have booted him off the podium.
I've rewatched it, and the situation was quite undramatic - the other riders in the group hardly noticed what he did.
Not really. If it's a stage race, you stay in the race. If it's a big one day race, you get loads of UCI points for being relegated to fifth after a five man group sprint. That's actually one of the reasons why many riders take big risks in sprints: it's not that bad for them if they get penalized. (Lanterne Rouge has shown that to perfection.)
The same in sprints. Sanctions can rarely restore a just outcome - their purpose is to make riders respect the rules.
If you have a penalty that is less harsh than disqualification, there will often be situations where that penalty hits harder than in others. It's like in football when a player gets a red card after 1 minute of play and another player gets a red card with 1 minute remaining. The offences may be the same, but the consequence is far more severe in the first case. That's just how it is.
Even if Van der Poel missed the podium because of a time penalty or some other kind of sanction, I would still regard it as more proportionate than disqualification. As mentioned elsewhere, a yellow card would also be fine with me, although the current yellow card system seems too soft in my opinion. Two times jumping over pavements (within half a season or a whole season) should lead to a ban.
Because the MTB is helluva more fun for him to race and more fun to watch IMO. And with road Worlds unwinnable in '25 there is nothing worth winning after the Spring Classics. Grand tour stage wins don't seem to motivate him much and they won't mean much on his palmares when it's all said and done. Good year to get the rainbow jersey on the MTB. Squeeze in a partial GT where he can if need.
Haha smashing all the Belgian knuckleheads
After Van der Poel got the gravel World title (third cycling discipline where he gets the rainbow jersey) and with him going on holiday for a while its time to look back on his season.
While I still think 2023 was a bit better just because he got the road World title, 2024 was still a very good season that fully cements him as one of the best riders of this golden generation.
Winning both Flanders and Roubaix in the same season in the rainbow jersey has to be one of the highlights of his career and while he wasn't succesful in keeping the world title, third was still a good result as it was his Liège performance and E3 was a nice addition to his palmares too. The only part of his season where he missed his targets was the summer failing the get a medal in the Olympics and a stage win at the Tour but this is still by far his second best season to date.
Besides his usual focus in the monuments I would like him to focus more in the Tour or the Vuelta next year as there will be no Olympics and the Worlds course doesn't suit him. Maybe riding a few gravel races in his rainbow jersey too.
While I still think 2023 was a bit better just because he got the road World title, 2024 was still a very good season that fully cements him as one of the best riders of this golden generation.
Winning both Flanders and Roubaix in the same season in the rainbow jersey has to be one of the highlights of his career and while he wasn't succesful in keeping the world title, third was still a good result as it was his Liège performance and E3 was a nice addition to his palmares too. The only part of his season where he missed his targets was the summer failing the get a medal in the Olympics and a stage win at the Tour but this is still by far his second best season to date.
Besides his usual focus in the monuments I would like him to focus more in the Tour or the Vuelta next year as there will be no Olympics and the Worlds course doesn't suit him. Maybe riding a few gravel races in his rainbow jersey too.
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I like the Breakfast Club reference. Actually; the punishment should be a requisite race in Guangxi. Especially when the air quality sucks.
He's already hinting MTB Worlds might be on the agenda, as Rwanda is too hilly. If so, then he has to race regularly, and get the MTB feeling - he can't rock up without prep like Pidcock can.
He’s ready to stop fooling around with the less weight better climber idea and focus on classics + Mtb
He has to realize he's never going to beat Pog in a climb heavy course unless Pog crashes, gets sick, or has a mechanical.
Limited cross season targeting worlds number seven to equal Erik De Vlaeminck.
Spring classics season.
Rest
June onwards mountain bike world cups leading to world champs in September.
Spring classics season.
Rest
June onwards mountain bike world cups leading to world champs in September.
He doesn't like to race grand tours and he can't be bothered to arrive in shape for them since he has already won a yellow jersey the first week of the Tour a few years back. He's already checked that box of his "To Do" list.
Agreed but he may have sponsorship obligations. Even a solid week of the Tour with a stage win is more publicity than a whole season of VTT for Alpecin.
He does them as lead out for philipsen. He signed up for that
Just thinking the contrast between VDP's amazing season in the world champion's stripes - back-to- back Classics wins and led out his teammate to win a third (and 3 Tour stages)... and the lack of attention and prase he is getting for it. I guess Pog has taken all the oxygen, but VDP burned so very bright the first half of this year.
It is logical that Pogacar is getting most of the attention, but VDP definitely had a great season. Second best in my book.
I think VDP had the second-best season. I tend to look at big race wins, and I rate his Rvv and Roubaix double higher than the olympic road and tt race and the world tt.
Honestly, I really don't care about his podium in the tdf. He was completely crushed by Vingegaard and Pogacar and was never close to the victory.
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