Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

[Red Rick]

Dude, save some of that positivity for Rogla in July.

I have done it before, I shall do it again

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[Netserk]

I am straight memeing *** into existence now. I call Pogacar a luck merchant and voila - his main rival gets hit by illness, a crash, and a car, all in one race.

I should perhaps try to manifest some positive *** for once.

Unclear instruction, you named a Swiss climb but said nothing about how it would be raced.

 

[kingjr]

Mathieu:

Just before the second pass on the Oude Kwaremont, I was hit by a car, which meant I had to come from far away.

That explains it. I thought it strange he was so far back when I 15s before, in another screenshot, saw him just beside Pog.

Where is that quote from anyway? It's not what he said in the post-race interview.

 

[Medvind]

Where is that quote from anyway? It's not what he said in the post-race interview.

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20250406_95525323

 

[Peyroteo94]

Everything is flawless in Ronde when Pogi isn't there. Maybe he gets too stressed and makes a lot of mistakes.

 

[AmRacer]

Where is that quote from anyway? It's not what he said in the post-race interview.

Poga car

 

[Medvind]

Ifs and buts don't matter now. You could say others were lucky Pog didn't have his team intact 30 km out form Kwaremont. Then the onslaught would have been much worse.

 

[Red Rick]

Ifs and buts don't matter now. You could say others were lucky Pog didn't have his team intact 30 km out form Kwaremont. Then the onslaught would have been much worse.

The idea that his team would do much more damage and that a controlled race would make the other top dogs more tired is straight up so bad it's funny.

 

[Medvind]

The idea that his team would do much more damage and that a controlled race would make the other top dogs more tired is straight up so bad it's funny.

So it's funny then, glad I could help with a laugh. But you can't deny that Pog would have had stronger leadout on Kwaremont.

 

[kingjr]

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20250406_95525323

There is nothing in there about a car, as far as I can see.

 

[Medvind]

There is nothing in there about a car, as far as I can see.

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Quote is right in the beginning. Sure, I used google translation to english, but I doubt it gets the qoute completely wrong.

Something must have happened (and for god sake I don't use it as an excuse why mvdp lost), go back an watch the replay. MvdP is right beside Pog, 15s later he is way back. I was puzzled during the broadcast what the hell happened.

 

[jono]

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Quote is right in the beginning. Sure, I used google translation to english, but I doubt it gets the qoute completely wrong.

Something must have happened (and for gods sake I don't use it as an excuse why mvdp lost), go back an watch the replay. MvdP is right beside Pog, 15s later he is way back. I was puzzled during the broadcast what the hell happened.

I was puzzled as well as he had somehow lost about 30 positions in 10 seconds off camera.

The text that auto-translates as "hit by a car" actually reads something along the lines of "I was ridden into the side". Not sure what that means exactly, but there would be no reason for there to be a car anywhere near Mathieu at that point in the race.

 

[Netserk]

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Quote is right in the beginning. Sure, I used google translation to english, but I doubt it gets the qoute completely wrong.

Something must have happened (and for god sake I don't use it as an excuse why mvdp lost), go back an watch the replay. MvdP is right beside Pog, 15s later he is way back. I was puzzled during the broadcast what the hell happened.

Al vroeg in de wedstrijd geraakte Mathieu van der Poel betrokken bij een stevige valpartij. “Die crash was natuurlijk niet ideaal, maar al bij al kwamen we nog goed weg. Jammer, maar het had erger kunnen zijn. Net voor de tweede passage op de Oude Kwaremont werd ik in de kant gereden, waardoor ik van ver moest komen. Daarna zat ik waar ik moest zitten”, geeft Van der Poel aan.

Van der Poel was involved in a serious crash early in the race. “That crash wasn’t ideal, of course, but all things considered, we got off relatively lightly. It was unfortunate, but it could have been worse. Just before the second ascent of the Oude Kwaremont, I was forced off to the side, which meant I had to come from quite far back. After that, I was in the right position,” Van der Poel said.

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What point do you refer to? At the start of Kwaremont, MvdP is in front of Pogi. Then we see the break, and as they cut back we can see that Pogi used the grass to move around the bunch and get to the front.

 

[kingjr]

??
Quote is right in the beginning. Sure, I used google translation to english, but I doubt it gets the qoute completely wrong.

Something must have happened (and for gods sake I don't use it as an excuse why mvdp lost), go back an watch the replay. MvdP is right beside Pog, 15s later he is way back. I was puzzled during the broadcast what the hell happened.

It did, though. He only said he was pushed off the road (by another rider is the implication, as sometimes happens on these narrow paths).

 

[Medvind]

It did, though. He only said he was pushed off the road (by another rider is the implication, as sometimes happens on these narrow paths).

Ok, my bad, should be more careful regarding auto-translations.

 

[Peyroteo94]

MVP always had moments in previous RVV where he is not well positioned. He likes to race from behind to hide his level and preserve energy.

 

[jono]

Ok, my bad, should be more careful regarding auto-translations.

It's quite strange, actually. These auto-translations are usually quite good. I suspect as AI becomes more involved they will start to get worse.

 

[jono]

MVP always had moments in previous RVV where he is not well positioned. He likes to race from behind to hide his level and preserve energy.

The moment in question he was literally on the wheel of Pogacar about 15 seconds previous.

 

[Medvind]

MVP always had moments in previous RVV where he is not well positioned. He likes to race from behind to hide his level and preserve energy.

But he was right beside Pog and then all of the sudden way back. Can't be intentional at such as crucial moment. He had to push quite hard to get up to Pog's group. You said it yourself: MvdP is a mad man.

 

[Netserk]

It's quite strange, actually. These auto-translations are usually quite good. I suspect as AI becomes more involved they will start to get worse.

LLMs are better translators than google translate.

 

[kingjr]

It's quite strange, actually. These auto-translations are usually quite good. I suspect as AI becomes more involved they will start to get worse.

LLMs are better at translation about 90% of the time, though they'll also make mistakes that Google Translate and DeepL used not to make. This seems the type of error resulting from a shoddy combination of the two.

 

[jono]

LLMs are better at translation about 90% of the time, though they'll also make mistakes that Google Translate and DeepL used not to make. This seems the type of error resulting from a shoddy combination of the two.

Google Translate does the sentence correctly if that's all you include, but if you include the whole paragraph which has earlier text about a crash it invents the bit about a car.

 

[Netserk]

But he was right beside Pog and then all of the sudden way back. Can't be intentional at such as crucial moment. He had to push quite hard to get up to Pog's group. You said it yourself: MvdP is a mad man.

We see the break between 2nd and 3rd screenshot:

Van der Poel is ahead of Pogi in the first 2, and then in the 4th we see that Pogi uses the grass to move up.

 

[jono]

With Mathieu's illness, it seems like Pogacar made a good choice to skip out on racing in the rain at E3.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Yeh it showed as car on auto-translate for me to be fair, thought that's a bit dramatic for nobody anywhere else to mention.