The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[thehog]

I think you're right!! As it is the only race he has a chance of winning this year.

Actually, on a serious note - just heard he has dropped out of Circuit de la Sarthe.

Obviously Sarkozy didn’t put the call through to the dope testers. Either that or the transfusion equipment wasn’t cleaned properly in Belgium. That’s two stomach bugs in 3 weeks. No more goofing off and preparation is the key. Must be all that long-haul flying which is running down the immune system....?

Get back to the Gila tour where drug testing is a whole lot more friendly.

I’m looking forward to the Tourmalet stage where Armstrong wins by 3 minutes.

 

[Ferminal]

Obviously Sarkozy didn’t put the call through to the dope testers. Either that or the transfusion equipment wasn’t cleaned properly in Belgium. That’s two stomach bugs in 3 weeks. No more goofing off and preparation is the key. Must be all that long-haul flying which is running down the immune system....?

Get back to the Gila tour where drug testing is a whole lot more friendly.

I’m looking forward to the Tourmalet stage where Armstrong wins by 3 minutes.

He might pack up his **** and head home on the rest day beforehand.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Obviously Sarkozy didn’t put the call through to the dope testers. Either that or the transfusion equipment wasn’t cleaned properly in Belgium. That’s two stomach bugs in 3 weeks. No more goofing off and preparation is the key. Must be all that long-haul flying which is running down the immune system....?

Get back to the Gila tour where drug testing is a whole lot more friendly.

I’m looking forward to the Tourmalet stage where Armstrong wins by 3 minutes.

You could be on to something...

Maybe Sarkozy took offence with Lance and Trek that they only drew a small cock on the bike he 'donated' to le Président.

 

[patricknd]

If you believe the bio passport system--Yeah, right! --is working then not all randoms should be random. The testers should be using passport data to do more tests on those with suspicious numbers. Armstrong's Tour numbers were as suspicious as them come.

we drug test at work and we do random testing, but also testing for cause after accidents, and testing for suspicion.
i don't see why sports should be any different. we document the reasons for the suspicion and test when it's deemed to be reasonable suspicion.

 

[FKLance]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-pulls-out-of-circuit-sarthe


if Lance will miss sarthe because of this, surely he's going to start Liege, Amstel, Fleche? I do not understand why he did leave the classics out. Didn't he just say after the criterium int. that he needed more race miles? Is he just too scared of the competition in the classics?

 

[kurtinsc]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-pulls-out-of-circuit-sarthe


if Lance will miss sarthe because of this, surely he's going to start Liege, Amstel, Fleche? I do not understand why he did leave the classics out. Didn't he just say after the criterium int. that he needed more race miles? Is he just too scared of the competition in the classics?

I don't think it's so much being scared of Classics... since he did just finish racing a pretty well known northern classic. He does want to minimalize the races he is in with Contador, which might explain some of it. And to be honest, I'm not sure a lot of 1-day races will really help if he does need more race days. He needs more 5+ day stage races more.

Not sure where he's going to get that though. Looks like he'll ride Gila, then California... then what? Anything before one of the June races to warm up?

MAYBE he'll be okay with that as the first 'tough day" isn't scheduled until stage 7 or 8. But if he's hoping to be in form for stage 3 (the cobbled one I think) or to take advantage of wind on some of the other early flat stages... I can't see him having enough days. He really needed Sarthe and another mid-late april race like Castilla y Leon or Trentino. Probably should be racing Romandie rather then the Gila too.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Not sure where he's going to get that though. Looks like he'll ride Gila, then California... then what? Anything before one of the June races to warm up?

The Shack ride nothing that is suitable Tour prep in the interim. His only option would appear to be the Tour of Belgium.
Being as objective as possible, it does look as if his commitment to California, could now be a mistake.

 

[Publicus]

I don't think it's so much being scared of Classics... since he did just finish racing a pretty well known northern classic. He does want to minimalize the races he is in with Contador, which might explain some of it. And to be honest, I'm not sure a lot of 1-day races will really help if he does need more race days. He needs more 5+ day stage races more.

Not sure where he's going to get that though. Looks like he'll ride Gila, then California... then what? Anything before one of the June races to warm up?

MAYBE he'll be okay with that as the first 'tough day" isn't scheduled until stage 7 or 8. But if he's hoping to be in form for stage 3 (the cobbled one I think) or to take advantage of wind on some of the other early flat stages... I can't see him having enough days. He really needed Sarthe and another mid-late april race like Castilla y Leon or Trentino. Probably should be racing Romandie rather then the Gila too.

Castilla y Leon is in a couple of weeks and I know Radio Shack is fielding a team. If he wants to get in 5 day stage races, that would be a good place to start. It also has a TT, I believe.

As far as Sarthe goes, something seems fishy about the whole thing. When he pulled out of MSR, there was never a word about his illness on twitter. He was busy dealing with the ESPN commentator and then he was silent on the day of MSR. But never any mention of how he was feeling, etc. Fast-forward to yesterday, he gets a random test and then we start hearing about how 6 of 8 guys were sick at Flanders, then he's sick and pulls out. This after they bring in their own water and presumably food to Flanders. I guess I could take it face value and assume he's telling the truth, but there are so many inconsistencies in what he says and does these days, that I'd be lying to myself if I did.

 

[Anonymous]

Castilla y Leon is in a couple of weeks and I know Radio Shack is fielding a team. If he wants to get in 5 day stage races, that would be a good place to start. It also has a TT, I believe.

As far as Sarthe goes, something seems fishy about the whole thing. When he pulled out of MSR, there was never a word about his illness on twitter. He was busy dealing with the ESPN commentator and then he was silent on the day of MSR. But never any mention of how he was feeling, etc. Fast-forward to yesterday, he gets a random test and then we start hearing about how 6 of 8 guys were sick at Flanders, then he's sick and pulls out. This after they bring in their own water and presumably food to Flanders. I guess I could take it face value and assume he's telling the truth, but there are so many inconsistencies in what he says and does these days, that I'd be lying to myself if I did.

Yea, strange that they bring their own food out of some fear of contamination, (French frogmen at work again?) and they get sick anyway. I hope that test comes back positive.

 

[Publicus]

we drug test at work and we do random testing, but also testing for cause after accidents, and testing for suspicion.
i don't see why sports should be any different. we document the reasons for the suspicion and test when it's deemed to be reasonable suspicion.

That's the purpose of the biopassport. It documents a cyclist's blood parameters and then subsequent tests are compared to the passport. If there are material deviations that indicate doping, then they conduct more random testing on the athlete.

One of the ways to explain deviations is dehydration. Diarrhea causes dehydration in extreme cases and it is difficult to prove that a person DID NOT have it. So that's why you see lots of stomach viruses, etc., in the pro-peloton. At least, that's how I understand it.

***Didn't Lance try to explain away the deviation in his blood values at the Tour this past year, by claiming he had diarrhea on the off day? For some reason I seem to recall that, but I'm not 100% confident in my recollection--Just reminded that this may be the work of BPC's trolling infecting my brain***

EDIT: Let me throw up a link to the new TOTO:

http://velocitynation.com/content/toto/2010/toto-turns-177

Heckle and Jeckle are PERFECT characters to describe Paul and Phil.

 

[Anonymous]

That's the purpose of the biopassport. It documents a cyclist's blood parameters and then subsequent tests are compared to the passport. If there are material deviations that indicate doping, then they conduct more random testing on the athlete.

One of the ways to explain deviations is dehydration. Diarrhea causes dehydration in extreme cases and it is difficult to prove that a person DID NOT have it. So that's why you see lots of stomach viruses, etc., in the pro-peloton. At least, that's how I understand it.

***Didn't Lance try to explain away the deviation in his blood values at the Tour this past year, by claiming he had diarrhea on the off day? For some reason I seem to recall that, but I'm not 100% confident in my recollection***

EDIT: Let me throw up a link to the new TOTO:

http://velocitynation.com/content/toto/2010/toto-turns-177

Heckle and Jeckle are PERFECT characters to describe Paul and Phil.

Toto is just fantastic, isn't it?

I remember some iteration of BPC claiming dehydration was the cause of the deviation in blood values, but I don't know if that was Lance's explanation. I think maybe he did, but don't remember for sure.

Either way, this is a convenient time to claim sickness.

 

[Publicus]

Armstrong's crib for RvV:

read the article in dutch here

It's shared only with Tosport Vlaanderen. The RS team will bring its own water (out of fear of someone spiking his drink), they have hired security personnel with a military background, someone will be in charge of monitoring the cook's work in the kitchen and everyone will have to get a badge to enter the premises.

"Hotel Weinebrugge"

I wanted to make sure I wasn't imagining things when I recalled that they brought at least their own water to Flanders.

 

[python]

the most cynical explanation for the strange and sudden changes in racing schedules and race cancellations - and i dont insist thats what took place -could be attempts to confuse adams (wada whereabouts reporting system). he has to report changes too but the time gained by simply logging on line allows for many interesting things.

except for yesterday, this year armstrong hasn't been tested yet on mainland france. if the testers developed a targeting criteria centered around the 4 days at sarthe, it is easily thwarted by the schedule changes.

i doubt it is the last sudden change.

 

[Digger]

the most cynical explanation for the strange and sudden changes in racing schedules and race cancellations - and i dont insist thats what took place -could be attempts to confuse adams (wada whereabouts reporting system). he has to report changes too but the time gained by simply logging on line allows for many interesting things.

except for yesterday, this year armstrong hasn't been tested yet on mainland france. if the testers developed a targeting criteria centered around the 4 days at sarthe, it is easily thwarted by the schedule changes.

i doubt it is the last sudden change.

Great post...and i think there could be truth here. The guy doesn't do anything without it being well thought out.

 

[python]

Great post...and i think there could be truth here. The guy doesn't do anything without it being well thought out.

i'll give you a scenario...well actually two likely scenarios.

if armstrong received a unit for flanders, it would show up on his biopasport as change in % rets and 2-3 other supporting hemo parameters but only after some delay, so several consequitive tests need to be applied with the first usually after 24 hours.

if he deposited a unit for subsequent re-use after 35-40 days (if stored conventionally) or for the reuse during the tour (if frozen using glycerol-nitrogen method), it would show up on several tests only because one sudden hemoglobin measurement drop is not sufficient to catch it.

 

[Publicus]

the most cynical explanation for the strange and sudden changes in racing schedules and race cancellations - and i dont insist thats what took place -could be attempts to confuse adams (wada whereabouts reporting system). he has to report changes too but the time gained by simply logging on line allows for many interesting things.

except for yesterday, this year armstrong hasn't been tested yet on mainland france. if the testers developed a targeting criteria centered around the 4 days at sarthe, it is easily thwarted by the schedule changes.

i doubt it is the last sudden change.

Maybe it's the cynic in me, but this is excellent post.

 

[Beech Mtn]

the most cynical explanation for the strange and sudden changes in racing schedules and race cancellations - and i dont insist thats what took place -could be attempts to confuse adams (wada whereabouts reporting system). he has to report changes too but the time gained by simply logging on line allows for many interesting things.

except for yesterday, this year armstrong hasn't been tested yet on mainland france. if the testers developed a targeting criteria centered around the 4 days at sarthe, it is easily thwarted by the schedule changes.

i doubt it is the last sudden change.

Interesting post. I hadn't considered that, but you may be on to something.

Was it this thread where somebody posted that AFLD has a new test for 4th-generation EPO products? The announcement was supposedly in an AFLD newsletter.

 

[python]

Interesting post. I hadn't considered that, but you may be on to something.

Was it this thread where somebody posted that AFLD has a new test for 4th-generation EPO products? The announcement was supposedly in an AFLD newsletter.

yours truly was that somebody
but you were not supposed to read it because i was responding to bala verde

 

[Polish]

Drat!

So, there is evidence that Inspector Bordry has "developed a targeting
criteria centered around the 4 days at Sarthe" in order to catch his nemisis.
Brilliant yes, but will it work?

Will the "A samples" be consistent with the "B Samples"? Does that even matter?

It appears, however, that Lance has thwarted capture once again. Curses.

What is also interesting is that Lance has been food poisoned both times when visiting France.

First, in the run up to SanRemo at his hideaway in Nice.
Now, in this Sarthian Hotel after his arrival from Flanders.
Coincidence? How do you say "the Butler did it" en francais?

 

[thehog]

i'll give you a scenario...well actually two likely scenarios.

if armstrong received a unit for flanders, it would show up on his biopasport as change in % rets and 2-3 other supporting hemo parameters but only after some delay, so several consequitive tests need to be applied with the first usually after 24 hours.

if he deposited a unit for subsequent re-use after 35-40 days (if stored conventionally) or for the reuse during the tour (if frozen using glycerol-nitrogen method), it would show up on several tests only because one sudden hemoglobin measurement drop is not sufficient to catch it.

Also the constant bouts of sickness allow the explanation of changes in blood values to the UCI.

Can you remember a time during the 7 year non-bio passport reign whereby he would ever get sick let alone announce it? Never.

 

[python]

Also the constant bouts of sickness allow the explanation of changes in blood values to the UCI.

Can you remember a time during the 7 year non-bio passport reign whereby he would ever get sick let alone announce it? Never.

the hog, if you only knew how ponderous and unresponsive the uci system is !

you dont even have to be a nimble, astute, calculating armstrong with his access to the best medical advice...just one more example and i have to run.

say, the uci and afld narrowed on to him because he posted a suspicious hemoglobin after the flanders. by taking a plne and flying to the use he completely swipes clean this because the usada (even if asked by the uci to test him) cant do it with the same dexterity the french were able to when he was in france.

 

[Beech Mtn]

yours truly was that somebody
but you were not supposed to read it because i was responding to bala verde

Ah, so it was you!
I knew I saw that somewhere on this forum

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Seeing that dreadful display at CI where he went backwards on an 11km climb & he's done zero training in the Alps to come out & beat Contador or actually climb the big mountains come July - yeah right. No chance. If he does he's the biggest fraud that walked this earth. There is no way he should be able to climb with the best from doing zero training on the high mountain passes of France.

Wow Hog! I haven't checked in for a couple days (trying to avoid those nude photos of you ), but I didn't expect anymore posts from you after Sunday...oh well

Wasn't he recovering from a major stomach ailment at CI?

I think so.

The rest of your post is just begging the question.

 

[Escarabajo]

...
EDIT: Let me throw up a link to the new TOTO:

http://velocitynation.com/content/toto/2010/toto-turns-177

Heckle and Jeckle are PERFECT characters to describe Paul and Phil.

This is brilliant. LOL.

 

[Digger]

Two bouts of gastro in three weeks. SSDD