The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[BikeCentric]

Again though... didn't he do this in his prime as well? Chunk up early in the season, go on a long break from riding, then come back for the tour 10-20 pounds lighter and tanned?

No, not even close.

Also: welcome to Pro Cycling, it's always nice to have noob fans around, shows the sport is still growing.

Anyway, Armstrong used to be famous for his extremely dedicated training in the off-season, weighing his food, staying very lean, reconning all mountains in Le Tour, etc. It was Jan Ulrich who would chunk up in the off-season and then lose the Tour.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Again though... didn't he do this in his prime as well? Chunk up early in the season, go on a long break from riding, then come back for the tour 10-20 pounds lighter and tanned?

I seem to remember people on this board posting images of him one year at Paris-Nice where he was MUCH fatter looking then he is now. I think he placed somewhere over 100th in the opening prologue and dropped out halfway through.

And he then won the Tour... thin and tan.


I'm not sure how he looks now matters... he's never cared about early season races in the past... and I doubt he's changed (other then not wanting to compete in a race where he'll lose to Contador prior to the Tour).

To a point I agree with you - as it was me who brought up Paris Nice in 2005 on another thread. However when I mentioned the foto in PN 05 it was to show him clearly suffering, he was not neccesarily fat, or out of shape.

He looks to be carrying a lot more weight this year - and its 2010, he is 38. Although, I do expect him to trim down somewhat.

Of course why some here are enjoying the current fotos is it flies in the face of all LA's and Carmichels comments that he is in better shape then last year.

 

[kurtinsc]

Let me dig then. I'm almost sure someone posted some images on this forum showing him riding P-N very chunky. I think they were using the comparison between him at P-N and the tour that year as a sort of proof that he was doping. It might have been hog, but I can't remember exactly.

The idea was that he looked out of shape, fat and slow at P-N... then disappeared for a couple of months and came back "super lance".

**edit** well, I guess it was Dr. Maseratti. Sorry hog.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Let me dig then. I'm almost sure someone posted some images on this forum showing him riding P-N very chunky. I think they were using the comparison between him at P-N and the tour that year as a sort of proof that he was doping. It might have been hog, but I can't remember exactly.

The idea was that he looked out of shape, fat and slow at P-N... then disappeared for a couple of months and came back "super lance".

**edit** well, I guess it was Dr. Maseratti. Sorry hog.

Let me clarify - I didn't post the pic's, I just highlighted his PN results.

And my point on that thread was that LA was not in form - nothing to do with carrying extra weight or PED's - but a couple of weeks later did a solid ride in Flanders and of course he won the Tour later.

I was pointing out that it was only March - and posters needed to to stop getting carried away with his present (2010) form.

 

[kurtinsc]

Thanks for giving me the year.

Here's an example of what I was looking at. Maybe it's distorted due to wearing padding due to the snow, but he definitely doesn't look thin in his upper body.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/mar05/parisnice05/?id=stage0/cycling-paris-nice-amstr-42

 

[Race Radio]

Thanks for giving me the year.

Here's an example of what I was looking at. Maybe it's distorted due to wearing padding due to the snow, but he definitely doesn't look thin in his upper body.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/mar05/parisnice05/?id=stage0/cycling-paris-nice-amstr-42

Now you have me all confused.

I thought Cancer reshaped his body and that, along with high cadence pedaling won him 7 tours.....at least that is what Dr. Coyle told me.

 

[kurtinsc]

Now you have me all confused.

I thought Cancer reshaped his body and that, along with high cadence pedaling won him 7 tours.....at least that is what Dr. Coyle told me.

Well I imagine cancer melted away most of his muscle. But there's nothing that prevents you from putting on a beer gut after that... or working it off.

And yes... I'm sure he had... medicinal help... manipulating his body as well. I think someone pointed out that with Ferrari's program you were supposed to build up size at a certain point as part of the process. I don't really care about the doping side of it... I'm just saying it seemed like some were saying he'd done the whole fat early/thin in July thing before... so what's so different about this season?

 

[wattage]

http://twitpic.com/13t6bo

What's up with the black tape

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Probably done just to keep his power output secret

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well I imagine cancer melted away most of his muscle. But there's nothing that prevents you from putting on a beer gut after that... or working it off.

And yes... I'm sure he had... medicinal help... manipulating his body as well. I think someone pointed out that with Ferrari's program you were supposed to build up size at a certain point as part of the process. I don't really care about the doping side of it... I'm just saying it seemed like some were saying he'd done the whole fat early/thin in July thing before... so what's so different about this season?

Quite simply, because he made comments like this.
"I think my condition is a little more advanced, my weight is lighter and we’ve got a good year in front of us. In 2010 we’ve got a simpler schedule and we’ve got our own team again."

And Bruyneel added:
"Since the 2009 Tour de France finished we have started to work on his position and it’s a bit different but I think the biggest difference people see is he’s a lot smaller. His upper body is very different."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-feeling-stronger-than-12-months-ago

 

[thehog]

Let me dig then. I'm almost sure someone posted some images on this forum showing him riding P-N very chunky. I think they were using the comparison between him at P-N and the tour that year as a sort of proof that he was doping. It might have been hog, but I can't remember exactly.

The idea was that he looked out of shape, fat and slow at P-N... then disappeared for a couple of months and came back "super lance".

**edit** well, I guess it was Dr. Maseratti. Sorry hog.

Correction. I actually posted the orignal P-N story in regards to doping. The difference to this year is that in the good old days Armstrong would "disappear" and not race for months on end then turn up at a Spanish race finish 40th then pump everyone at the Tour.

This year he's actually racing because you can't go missing, dope and motorpace up d'Huez 45 times in one day as training. You actually have to show yourself... and what he's showing is bad.

 

[wattage]

It's a longshot but I wouldn't be at all suprised if they guy shows up fit and thin in July and packing some serious power in his legs. Maybe Ferrari has some miracle drug in store for this year.

 

[mikkemus23]

A little OT: How many times can Hog/LA change his position and how much is there to it, really? You would think that a 38 year old has found his position long before - especially since they have worked on this a lot before (or so they claim)...

 

[Bike Rider]

Quite simply, because he made comments like this.
"I think my condition is a little more advanced, my weight is lighter and we’ve got a good year in front of us. In 2010 we’ve got a simpler schedule and we’ve got our own team again."

And Bruyneel added:
"Since the 2009 Tour de France finished we have started to work on his position and it’s a bit different but I think the biggest difference people see is he’s a lot smaller. His upper body is very different."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-feeling-stronger-than-12-months-ago

Well given the picture above of him above during 2008 his body has changed from that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well given the picture above of him above during 2008 his body has changed from that.

Yes it has, it has gotten fatter.

 

[Bike Rider]

Yes it has, it has gotten fatter.

I dispute the term "fat", but are you saying he was in better shape this time last year?

My point is that his body may well have gotten better than last year therefore the quotes you provide are not misleading. You have to look at the starting point.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I dispute the term "fat", but are you saying he was in better shape this time last year?

My point is that his body may well have gotten better than last year therefore the quotes you provide are not misleading. You have to look at the starting point.

Ok then..... Lance is 'cuddlier' then the fotos you produced from your private BPC collection.

 

[Bike Rider]

Ok then..... Lance is 'cuddlier' then the fotos you produced from your private BPC collection.

The picture I posted is linked to the net where I found it on google. When he did his book tour on the TV shows he said that picture was from just before he came back.

 

[franciep10]

I dispute the term "fat", but are you saying he was in better shape this time last year?

My point is that his body may well have gotten better than last year therefore the quotes you provide are not misleading. You have to look at the starting point.

This is at stage 6 at the Giro, while he is no flyweight in this picture he looks much leaner here than in the other pictures

 

[El Oso]

Ok then..... Lance is 'cuddlier' then the fotos you produced from your private BPC collection.

Cadel and Lance ... Cuddles and Cuddlier

 

[BroDeal]

Looks like he is trying to suck it in and not completely succeeding. I bet they had to give him the "club fit" jersey instead of the pro version.

 

[zapata]

Looks like he is trying to suck it in and not completely succeeding. I bet they had to give him the "club fit" jersey instead of the pro version.

HE! That was the very first thing that came to mind when I saw that photo. Don't ask why we recognize this.

 

[this_is_edie]

It's a longshot but I wouldn't be at all suprised if they guy shows up fit and thin in July and packing some serious power in his legs. Maybe Ferrari has some miracle drug in store for this year.

I agree with part of this, he will lose the extra weight before July with some help but at his age, getting fitness back is harder and harder so he won't have the power he had 5 years ago - well unless Ferrari has something new under the hood that is.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

There are now about 20 pages primarily discussing Lance's weight. That's a bit ridiculous. Especially since the majority of people discussing it can't stand the guy Doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, I don't really care for Tom Boonen or Filippo Pozzato, and how often have I talked about either one of those guys? Maybe it's time you moved on...

 

[Bike Rider]

Looks like he is trying to suck it in and not completely succeeding. I bet they had to give him the "club fit" jersey instead of the pro version.

You mean like the david hasselhoff suck in?

No. The picture of Lance at the Giro is when he was supposedly thin, and now he is supposed to be fat. So he can't be both.

It's an optical illusion. If he does look bigger now it's more likely because the average size of the young pros has gotten thinner. Another reason why LA has lost his advantage.