The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Publicus]

Rabon is a better TT'er than Lance now too so unlikely he gets a win whenever he's in the same race. Pinotti might be better than Lance now too. So three guys that will beat him and maybe Millar and Rogers on good days. I don't see Lance winning another TT outside of the Gila.

Honestly Tour of Gila is a no-win situation. If he smashes the field, everyday, it's because he should. If he doesn't, that's a terrible sign. Honestly, I expect the spin cycle to start up any day now about how Gila is just training . . . yada, yada, yada.

 

[dolophonic]

Honestly Tour of Gila is a no-win situation. If he smashes the field, everyday, it's because he should. If he doesn't, that's a terrible sign. Honestly, I expect the spin cycle to start up any day now about how Gila is just training . . . yada, yada, yada.

Is not like he smashed it last year.
spin cycle will be in full effect... for sure. The whole thing is so lamestrong.
i agree he should be over the pond mixing it up with the Peloton.

 

[Publicus]

Is not like he smashed it last year.
spin cycle will be in full effect... for sure. The whole thing is so lamestrong.
i agree he should be over the pond mixing it up with the Peloton.

I think the only difference between this year and last year was this was that he was just returning from the broken collarbone. He's in a different position this year. He pulled out of the European racing scene abruptly because his form was suddenly deemed to be adequate and that he could just train at home. So, it seems to me, he and Levi should be expected to dominate the field---Levi because he should be rounding into peak form for the ToC.

 

[cotterpin]

Anybody notice how much slower LA's pedaling cadence was @ the TDF last year? There used to be such a big deal made over his high cadence: has anyone heard why the change?
Regarding Omerta in the peloton;does anyone remember the Million Dollar challenge that he won in the late 80's?

 

[Oldman]

Anybody notice how much slower LA's pedaling cadence was @ the TDF last year? There used to be such a big deal made over his high cadence: has anyone heard why the change?
Regarding Omerta in the peloton;does anyone remember the Million Dollar challenge that he won in the late 80's?

Yeah. Didn't the promoter question the legitimacy of the wins, based on a no PED clause and refuse to pay until LA sued/won? Apparently his teammates and soigneurs had a stake in the payout. Can't recall the details but I'm sure someone else will.

 

[bianchigirl]

Oldman, think you're referencing the SCA case against paying out for the TdF wins.

There was some controversy over the Million Dollar challenge to do with his unwillingness to pay some of his teammates their share of the pot - don't remember the exact details - Walsh mentions it in 'Inside the Tour de France' as proof of Armstrong's champion's mentality. It's fascinating to read the chapter on Armstrong and then reflect on the subsequent history between the two men.

 

[thehog]

Oldman, think you're referencing the SCA case against paying out for the TdF wins.

There was some controversy over the Million Dollar challenge to do with his unwillingness to pay some of his teammates their share of the pot - don't remember the exact details - Walsh mentions it in 'Inside the Tour de France' as proof of Armstrong's champion's mentality. It's fascinating to read the chapter on Armstrong and then reflect on the subsequent history between the two men.

The story was that he had to win all 3 races to collect the million. He won the first two and did a deal with some others that if they let him “win” he would share part of the mill with the athletes who agreed to the terms. In true Lance style once the booty was in his hands he skipped town and didn’t share the loot. What could the others do? It was a hand shake agreement not a formal contract this could not sue him. It proved as a good representation that how he’d behave throughout his career.

 

[python]

The story was that he had to win all 3 races to collect the million. He won the first two and did a deal with some others that if they let him “win” he would share part of the mill with the athletes who agreed to the terms. In true Lance style once the booty was in his hands he skipped town and didn’t share the loot. What could the others do? It was a hand shake agreement not a formal contract this could not sue him. It proved as a good representation that how he’d behave throughout his career.

hmm, what a similarity with catlin's case except the lawyers role !

he tricked the old man to stand next him in a public press conference as a symbol of an anti doping..when things came to the testing business and signing the contract he exhausted catlin by the endless negotiations with his lawyers and then dumped him as a useless commodity.

 

[thehog]

hmm, what a similarity with catlin's case except the lawyers role !

he tricked the old man to stand next him in a public press conference as a symbol of an anti doping..when things came to the testing business and signing the contract he exhausted catlin by the endless negotiations with his lawyers and then dumped him as a useless commodity.

Also very similar to the injunctions on the press in regards to doping stories. They were all caught up in litigation for months, even years then subsequently dropped once he retired.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

Anybody notice how much slower LA's pedaling cadence was @ the TDF last year? There used to be such a big deal made over his high cadence: has anyone heard why the change?
Regarding Omerta in the peloton;does anyone remember the Million Dollar challenge that he won in the late 80's?

Yes I noticed this. LA's cadence seems to be down from 110 to 100. The commentators on one cycling channel said this can happen to cyclists if they run marathons. I think LA did the New York marathon a few times in his retirement.

 

[Jonathan]

I think LA did the New York marathon a few times in his retirement.

He did??!!? Why was this kept secret?!

How many times? Surely he was the fastest former cyclist ever to run a marathon...right?!

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

He did??!!? Why was this kept secret?!

How many times? Surely he was the fastest former cyclist ever to run a marathon...right?!

He did it in 2:46:43 the second time, which was placing 698.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0420506820071104

I think he will be hoping to do better than 698 at the tour this year.

 

[thehog]

Yes I noticed this. LA's cadence seems to be down from 110 to 100. The commentators on one cycling channel said this can happen to cyclists if they run marathons. I think LA did the New York marathon a few times in his retirement.

What most forget about the high cadence was that he was doing it in the big ring up mountains! That sorta helps the process. He was pushing a bigger gear than those in the 80's but pretended it wasn't something different.

 

[thehog]

He did it in 2:46:43 the second time, which was placing 698.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0420506820071104

JaJa was running 2:20's with a former German cyclist (name escapes me now) ran a 2:12.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

What most forget about the high cadence was that he was doing it in the big ring up mountains! That sorta helps the process. He was pushing a bigger gear than those in the 80's but pretended it wasn't something different.

I did not know that.

I was refering to his TTing when I say it's gone down from 110 to 100. His average cadence during a race is slower than that.

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

JaJa was running 2:20's with a former German cyclist (name escapes me now) ran a 2:12.

Udo Bolts, Boss?

 

[flicker]

I think Lance is on the training program that suits Lance. I am sure that Lance is being monitored by Dr. Lim, Lances other trainers and the UCI doppage control.

I am sorry to those who Lance has dissapointed for not showing up to the Showdown at CI.

I am sorry to those who were dissapointed that Lance had a toilet problem and chose to come home and to be with his family instead of riding all the Classics and tough Spanish stage races.

Here are some tough climbs, the Geysers, Skaggs Springs road from warm springs dam to Gualala and back. Kings Ridge. Hill repeats on Cavedale.Sonoma County California.

To all who are dissapointed with Lance try one of those climbs. Ride your bike!

 

[BikeCentric]

I did not know that.

I was refering to his TTing when I say it's gone down from 110 to 100. His average cadence during a race is slower than that.

No pro has ever TT'ed at 110 RPM.

 

[thehog]

Udo Bolts, Boss?

Yep thats it!!! Thanks.... Rolf Aldag did a 2:41 btw.

Beloki is running NYC this year also.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Udo Bolts, Boss?

Brother of Nutsan Bolts.

I crack myself up.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

I think Lance is on the training program that suits Lance. I am sure that Lance is being monitored by Dr. Lim, Lances other trainers and the UCI doppage control.

I am sorry to those who Lance has dissapointed for not showing up to the Showdown at CI.

I am sorry to those who were dissapointed that Lance had a toilet problem and chose to come home and to be with his family instead of riding all the Classics and tough Spanish stage races.

Here are some tough climbs, the Geysers, Skaggs Springs road from warm springs dam to Gualala and back. Kings Ridge. Hill repeats on Cavedale.Sonoma County California.

To all who are dissapointed with Lance try one of those climbs. Ride your bike!

Could you elaborate on such rigorous training program ?

 

[Oldman]

The story was that he had to win all 3 races to collect the million. He won the first two and did a deal with some others that if they let him “win” he would share part of the mill with the athletes who agreed to the terms. In true Lance style once the booty was in his hands he skipped town and didn’t share the loot. What could the others do? It was a hand shake agreement not a formal contract this could not sue him. It proved as a good representation that how he’d behave throughout his career.

I definitely heard the "deal" part and so did the promoter. I had heard they demanded he get tested to avoid the payout and he threatened to sue, so it went away. I could be guilty of mixing my conspiracy theories.

 

[flicker]

I havn't ridden the alps and pyranees. I hear from friends who have ridden them that the hills are long and shallow for the most part. Similar to the Marlkleeville death ride. I have ridden all those sierra passes, they are long. Not much fun, could snow could rain could sleet any day or the year.

Lance is probably taking it easy right now. Probably trains less then 5 hours per day.

Check out those Sonoma climbs I spoke in forum about. Pro riders train on those.

Steep ugly and long. Lance Livestrong Shack BMC ride those.

Except for the altitude they are uglier then the tour climbs.

If I was Lace I would take my mountain bike into Colorado and the Grand Teatons or BLM land in New Mexico/Arizona. Awesome rides and high.

 

[Oldman]

I think Lance is on the training program that suits Lance. I am sure that Lance is being monitored by Dr. Lim, Lances other trainers and the UCI doppage control.

I am sorry to those who Lance has dissapointed for not showing up to the Showdown at CI.

I am sorry to those who were dissapointed that Lance had a toilet problem and chose to come home and to be with his family instead of riding all the Classics and tough Spanish stage races.

Here are some tough climbs, the Geysers, Skaggs Springs road from warm springs dam to Gualala and back. Kings Ridge. Hill repeats on Cavedale.Sonoma County California.

To all who are dissapointed with Lance try one of those climbs. Ride your bike!

I've ridden all of those climbs as part of early trainining with Levi's teammate before Levi had ever been to Cal. They are brutal but can tell you first hand that it's not the same as racing. Unless he has someone pushing him past his comfort zone during training he is doing just that; training.

I've said it before, though-if anyone wants a beautiful cycling experience and they are really fit; take a week vacation and try these and other climbs around the area. They'll make you appreciate the Alps and other serious climbs.

 

[altark123]

Does Anyone acrually know what LA has been doing in regards to training?

All we have is his own twitter feed virtually. And honestly, I doubt he actually posts the honest to goodness truth about what he does in all aspects of his training, that would be stupid.