The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[BroDeal]

I think the FLandis thing destroys his ability to train for the Tour. He will want to be micromanaging everything for the next week or two. He will want to be right there in control as each new development emerges. I don't see him willing to disappear for five hours on a training ride, only connected to his damage control team via iPhone.

 

[thehog]

I think the FLandis thing destroys his ability to train for the Tour. He will want to be micromanaging everything for the next week or two. He will want to be right there in control as each new development emerges. I don't see him willing to disappear for five hours on a training ride, only connected to his damage control team via iPhone.

Agreed.

btw/ he uses a blackberry with google alerts set up to inform him everytime he's name is mentioned in an article.

 

[TreeFiddy]

So by now, I'm sure you've heard about Floyd's confession. The Wall Street Journal broke the story, apparently, and there's an excellent follow up on ESPN.com. I'll let you get caught up rather than recap it here, because I want to get at what I think is the heart of the matter. Before I could even write it myself, Floyd said it to ESPN:
"I don't feel guilty at all about having doped. I did what I did because that's what we [cyclists] did and it was a choice I had to make after 10 years or 12 years of hard work to get there, and that was a decision I had to make to make the next step. My choices were, do it and see if I can win, or don't do it and I tell people I just don't want to do that, and I decided to do it."

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Please do not copy in entire articles from other sources. Use one or two paragraphs and give the link. Thanks, Barrus, for supplying the link below.

Susan

 

[Barrus]

Please also state where you got that from
http://www.cycle-smart.com/blog/2010/05/20/pretty-boy-floyd
great blog by Adam Myerson

 

[Kamikaze]

Agreed.

btw/ he uses a blackberry with google alerts set up to inform him everytime he's name is mentioned in an article.

LOL Busted! Now we all know how you get all your armstrong dirts so fast. I think I gave you too much CREDIT. I actually thought you knew people or you actually read a lot thru the web.

 

[Aerodynamic]

I think the FLandis thing destroys his ability to train for the Tour. He will want to be micromanaging everything for the next week or two. He will want to be right there in control as each new development emerges. I don't see him willing to disappear for five hours on a training ride, only connected to his damage control team via iPhone.

Yes I think you're right about this. Unless he can put this to one side within a week, it must be very difficult to train for the tour. This years tour places will not be decided on the road.

 

[Anonymous]

Agreed.

btw/ he uses a blackberry with google alerts set up to inform him everytime he's name is mentioned in an article.

I agree as well...can't see him starting...there will be some excuse...stomach ailment...problem with kids...or maybe even the "honest" I am too old now realization retirement announcement for the jimmy stewart effect on middle america and his run for governor of texas in a few years...christ, imagine how excited Phil and Paul would be if he showed up in the booth for some of the versus calls or perhaps Obama will make him an "em-badass-adore for exercise" for all of our fat kids...the possibilities are endless...

 

[Mellow Velo]

I think the FLandis thing destroys his ability to train for the Tour. He will want to be micromanaging everything for the next week or two.

Will make a change from microdosing.

Seriously, surely his Tour preparation has been a disaster?
All the early season pull outs, now this. Totally different reasons, but his year of fits and starts reminds me of Marco Pantani, 2000-2003.

 

[Oldman]

I think the FLandis thing destroys his ability to train for the Tour. He will want to be micromanaging everything for the next week or two. He will want to be right there in control as each new development emerges. I don't see him willing to disappear for five hours on a training ride, only connected to his damage control team via iPhone.

If the Flandis barrage was, indeed festering in the background that could explain his reluctance to travel too far from Texas. The stress of imagining the current crisis would compromise the plans of the best sociopath; even if he was totally innocent.

 

[junkie]

@ thehog

could you please comment on this

http://www.livestrong.com/teamradioshack/news_series-emails-referenced-statement-regarding-doping-allegations/

thanks

 

[Roland Rat]

Will make a change from microdosing.

Seriously, surely his Tour preparation has been a disaster?
All the early season pull outs, now this. Totally different reasons, but his year of fits and starts reminds me of Marco Pantani, 2000-2003.

Blimey, what a comparison. Sincerely hope no-one involved in this ends up like him.

 

[Wicklow200]

While I agree its more likely he won't ride the TDF, I am absolutely sure he is contractually obliged to.

I am sure thats the package he sold to RS. I mean the average American only tunes into one race a year, so its vital Lance is at the Tour.

 

[thehog]

@ thehog

could you please comment on this

http://www.livestrong.com/teamradioshack/news_series-emails-referenced-statement-regarding-doping-allegations/

thanks

I have ad nauseam in the clinic. But to be fair I shouldn’t comment. Not until Armstrong releases the full transcripts. Strangely he omits he’s responses to Landis and Kay. Not sure why when the statement reads “Armstrong has nothing to hide” – then why delete select responses?

To this point I’m not sure how the emails relate to the statement made. The statement refers to “threats” but I can’t really see any threats within the mails. I can see a man civilly from himself and friend who is Doctor wanting to ride the ToC. This is normal practice. Many riders “appeal” to race directors to ride races. I don’t see any evidence of threats in the text. If you can point me in the direction I’ll gladly read the lines which could be considered as a threat.

The statement also refers to Landis lacking credibility but then the mails acuse Landis of having having an alcoholic problem without foundation is reason for saying so. Lacking credibility is making claims such as this without evidence. I could be wrong. So the emails amount to little and have little to do with the statement presented.

I understand the approach the Armstrong camp is taking. They don’t wish to address the accusations at hand. They are attempting to discredit Landis as a person and suggesting you can’t trust what he says. He’s lied before so why should we believe him now. Therefore we should listen to Armstrong statements in regards to Floyd at last year ToC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUAO7xmNKeA . The appear different to what he's saying now.

So there you have it. Landis says Armstrong, himself and the entire USPS team doped from 2002-2004 and Armstrong says Landis lacks credibility because he wanted to ride the ToC. Now the burden of proof is not on Armstrong to prove he didn’t dope. Its for Landis to prove he did. The drug tests could be evidence to suggest Armstrong hasn’t. So really it’s up to round 2 and for Landis to come with more detail to substantiate the claims. I suspect that’s coming on Monday. Watch this space.

One further point. The objective of Landis was not to accuse Armstrong of doping but to admit doping himself and to inform of the practices within certain teams and the sport. Armstrong and co. are collateral damage of the original objective. The real point here is that Floyd is admitting he doped and how he doped and how he passed the tests. This is worthy information. Lets not get distracted by Armstrong. Cyclists are doping and getting away with it. Wouldn't we like to know how this is possible? and wouldn't we like to know when watching our cyclists that what they are doing is real? If Armstrong gets caught up in this thats his own fault.

 

[Aerodynamic]

I have ad nauseam in the clinic. But to be fair I shouldn’t comment. Not until Armstrong releases the full transcripts. Strangely he omits he’s responses to Landis and Kay. Not sure why when the statement reads “Armstrong has nothing to hide” – then why delete select responses?

To this point I’m not sure how the emails relate to the statement made. The statement refers to “threats” but I can’t really see any threats within the mails. I can see a man civilly from himself and friend who is Doctor wanting to ride the ToC. This is normal practice. Many riders “appeal” to race directors to ride races. I don’t see any evidence of threats in the text. If you can point me in the direction I’ll gladly read the lines which could be considered as a threat.

The statement also refers to Landis lacking credibility but then the mails acuse Landis of having having an alcoholic problem without foundation is reason for saying so. Lacking credibility is making claims such as this without evidence. I could be wrong. So the emails amount to little and have little to do with the statement presented.

I understand the approach the Armstrong camp is taking. They don’t wish to address the accusations at hand. They are attempting to discredit Landis as a person and suggesting you can’t trust what he says. He’s lied before so why should we believe him now. There we should listen to Armstrong statements in regards to Floyd at last year ToC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUAO7xmNKeA . The appear different to what he's saying now.

So there you have it. Landis says Armstrong, himself and the entire USPS team doped from 2002-2004 and Armstrong says Landis lacks credibility because he wanted to ride the ToC. Now the burden of proof is not on Armstrong to prove he didn’t dope. Its for Landis to prove he did. The drug tests could be evidence to suggest Armstrong hasn’t. So really it’s up to round 2 and for Landis to come with more detail to substantiate the claims. I suspect that’s coming on Monday. Watch this space.

One further point. The objective of Landis was not to accuse Armstrong of doping but to admit doping himself and to inform of the practices within certain teams and the sport. Armstrong and co. are collateral damage of the original objective. The real point here is that Floyd is admitting he doped and how he doped and how he passed the tests. This is worthy information. Lets not get distracted by Armstrong. Cyclists are doping and getting away with it. Wouldn't we like to know how this is possible? and wouldn't we like to know when watching our cyclists that what they are doing is real?

He is polite in the emails but that does not mean there is no implied threat there. It's not credible that his inclusion in the ToC would have helped its image as regards to doping. Given what has happened subsequently seems to bear this out.

 

[thehog]

He is polite in the emails but that does not mean there is no implied threat there. It's not credible that his inclusion in the ToC would have helped its image as regards to doping. Given what has happened subsequently seems to bear this out.

I'm not so sure. What say we settle this by asking Filippo Simeoni for his opinion on what a threat is?

 

[junkie]

@ thehog

I cant see any wide-announced threats in these e-mails either. I am more than sure LA and Bruyneel have nothing to hide: they had hid everything long ago.

But why so nervous?

 

[Oldman]

@ thehog

I cant see any wide-announced threats in these e-mails either. I am more than sure LA and Bruyneel have nothing to hide: they had hid everything long ago.

But why so nervous?

Witnesses. When you conceal an activity for that long something get misplaced.

 

[thehog]

@ thehog

I cant see any wide-announced threats in these e-mails either. I am more than sure LA and Bruyneel have nothing to hide: they had hid everything long ago.

But why so nervous?

Because they don't know what evidence Landis has got. They know he knows what went on. For the moment lets just accept there was a truck load of doping going on. If what Landis says is true then Lance trusted Floyd a great deal. He let him stay at his house with the blood bags, he was willing to dope in front of him. Now who's to say Landis hasn’t taken a photo of this set up say next to a rare piece of art Armstrong owns or one of his one of kind jerseys? There would be no refuting the evidence then. What’s to say that Landis didn't tape some of the phone conversations or as Vaughters has suggested Floyd talk a photo of the motorbikes with fridges? We don’t know the reason why Armstrong is so nervous but I suspect he’s so nervous because doesn’t know what evidence Floyd may have. Armstrong only wants to say Landis is a crackpot because the next move maybe a photo of Lance's fringe. Landis maybe a crackpot but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Lots of crazy people have been right.

I should add druggies never trust each other. Never. They are the worst at trust. They are forever storing evidence away about each other in case the sh_t comes down one day. Floyd would have planned for such a day.

 

[Kamikaze]

One further point. The objective of Landis was not to accuse Armstrong of doping but to admit doping himself and to inform of the practices within certain teams and the sport. Armstrong and co. are collateral damage of the original objective. The real point here is that Floyd is admitting he doped and how he doped and how he passed the tests. This is worthy information. Lets not get distracted by Armstrong. Cyclists are doping and getting away with it. Wouldn't we like to know how this is possible? and wouldn't we like to know when watching our cyclists that what they are doing is real? If Armstrong gets caught up in this thats his own fault.

I disagree on the objective part. If his team were invited, he wouldnt have said a word. His objective according to the emails date.
1) Get his team into TOC. - Failed
2) Get his friend's 40k back and didn't like the idea that it was heading to Armstrong bank acct. - Failed
3) his doctor friend came out with a desperate option which is to have Armstrong include him in RS team. - Failed
4) Press Conference in Los Angeles during/before ITT for the big Bang! - Failed once again, because someone leaked the emails.

I do agree with you the later part where majority is doping and getting away with it, including Armstrong. I do believe Flandis is telling the truth here, but for a wrong motive. Not to clear his conscious, but more out of anger and hatred.

 

[bobs nob]

Agreed.

btw/ he uses a blackberry with google alerts set up to inform him everytime he's name is mentioned in an article.

Be cautious of allowing your disgust for the man (justified) color your assessment. Say whatever you want, but he LOVES a challenge and feeds on controversy and scandal. I may be wrong, but I think their chance of NOT showing up for the tdf is probably LESS today than it was 3 days ago.

 

[Oldman]

Be cautious of allowing your disgust for the man (justified) color your assessment. Say whatever you want, but he LOVES a challenge and feeds on controversy and scandal. I may be wrong, but I think their chance of NOT showing up for the tdf is probably LESS today than it was 3 days ago.

He'll show up because he's collecting money on all the ad residuals. I don't think whatever the controversy brings will keep them from starting or finishing the Tour; unless they choose to quit. If the evidence Floyd produces has credibility it'll take USADA a fair amount of time to process it into anything related to a sanction. This is not like a failed, current blood test.

 

[flicker]

I just see the positive side. Landis unloads all his crappy resentment on the easiest target and people are going to cool it on their cheating.
Since Lance is taking the heat and he is the BOSS of cycling it will make him and all the pros quit or be more careful in their PED use. Also anyone who lies in this case will be eventually caught. Amazing really.

Really a win win situation for all involved. Floyd unfortunately still be a scumbag and hated by most of the cycling community. Even his former friend Greg LeMond.

 

[TreeFiddy]

Please also state where you got that from
http://www.cycle-smart.com/blog/2010/05/20/pretty-boy-floyd
great blog by Madam Firestone

It's not who said it, or where it was from, but what was said. So leave that **** up there.

 

[flicker]

I just see the positive side. Landis unloads all his crappy resentment on the easiest target and people are going to cool it on their cheating.
Since Lance is taking the heat and he is the BOSS of cycling it will make him and all the pros quit or be more careful in their PED use. Also anyone who lies in this case will be eventually caught. Amazing really.

Really a win win situation for all involved. Floyd unfortunately still be a scumbag and hated by most of the cycling community. Even his former friend Greg LeMond.

I still like Floyd better than Levi. Floyd has pizaz and plomp. Love to hang out with him. Levi is kind of like a well wrung out dishrag. A little damp, a little stained and not to much upstairs.

 

[montagna lunga]

Because they don't know what evidence Landis has got. They know he knows what went on. For the moment lets just accept there was a truck load of doping going on. If what Landis says is true then Lance trusted Floyd a great deal. He let him stay at his house with the blood bags, he was willing to dope in front of him. Now who's to say Landis hasn’t taken a photo of this set up say next to a rare piece of art Armstrong owns or one of his one of kind jerseys? There would be no refuting the evidence then. What’s to say that Landis didn't tape some of the phone conversations or as Vaughters has suggested Floyd talk a photo of the motorbikes with fridges? We don’t know the reason why Armstrong is so nervous but I suspect he’s so nervous because doesn’t know what evidence Floyd may have. Armstrong only wants to say Landis is a crackpot because the next move maybe a photo of Lance's fringe. Landis maybe a crackpot but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Lots of crazy people have been right.

I should add druggies never trust each other. Never. They are the worst at trust. They are forever storing evidence away about each other in case the sh_t comes down one day. Floyd would have planned for such a day.

I'd like to add that a return to this board, and just a light perusal of this kind of writing, has me thinking most of the posters here are off their meds, or are themselves "on drugs" maybe maybe not whatever

I'd also like to add this addition: what a waste of time!