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So you think they were right to trust in Germany? The Germany that has a recent history of failure against weaker teams? That‘s quite a gamble.

It was, and they definitely didn't have it going according to plan when Costa Rica got the lead. But when Germany got back in front it made sense to not go for a second goal.

I even heard a theory that Germany got behind on purpose to put the pressure on Spain to score against Japan which was necessary for Germany to advance, along with winning themselves. Obviously that wasn't what they did but it's an interesting thought on a very convoluted scenario.
 
Awesome to see Spain and Germany out.

If too many big teams fall in the group stage, the quality of the tournament decreases quite drastically.

Well maybe that means the quality of the big teams has decreased.

Today Argentina beat Australia. They play the Netherlands next. That should be an interesting encounter. The US simply not good enough. We hear every year, every WV how the US has improved, how popular football is in the country, how they’ll finally break through….Not really happening. 2002 was when the US really had a chance for a huge result, they played Germany in the quarterfinals but lost a close one. Frings handball that wasn’t called on the goal line.
 
There's no basis to generalise that the big teams have gotten worse. Belgium genuinely has, having been stuck with long over the hill golden boys and a manager too weak to drop them. Everybody with a bit of knowledge about the game could name them as the big team most likely to fail even before the tournament.

Denmark had a nightmare of a tournament that nobody really expected, being considered the most likely dark horse going deep into the tournament. Without knowing finer details from behind their scenes, it looks like it's more down to circumstances surrounding this particular tournament, rather than them becoming generally so much weaker in a year and half.

Germany has now failed in three strait tournaments, but this time they didn't really play badly at all. But the defence was suspect and Japan was almost freakishly good at taking advantage of better teams lapses of concentration. And also had huge slice of luck with that second goal against Spain. Given how hopeless they were when facing a tightly packed defence against Costa Rica, I wasn't exactly happy seeing Japan advance instead of Germany.

Uruguay probably is somewhat weaker than in last two or three World Cups, but were only eliminated because of two dodgy penalty decisions going against them as well as South Korea having more favourable order of games, with them being able to face a heavily rotated Portuguese side already certain of going through in the last group game.

Other big teams present are all through to knock-out rounds with Netherlands and Argentina already in quarters, despite their earlier wobbles. In our local sports media there is a lot of talk about gap closing between traditional power houses Europe and South America and the likes of Asia and Africa. When actually looking behind the simple results and number of teams in knock--out rounds from those continents, then there is little to support that theory.
 
There's no basis to generalise that the big teams have gotten worse. Belgium genuinely has, having been stuck with long over the hill golden boys and a manager too weak to drop them. Everybody with a bit of knowledge about the game could name them as the big team most likely to fail even before the tournament.

Denmark had a nightmare of a tournament that nobody really expected, being considered the most likely dark horse going deep into the tournament. Without knowing finer details from behind their scenes, it looks like it's more down to circumstances surrounding this particular tournament, rather than them becoming generally so much weaker in a year and half.

Germany has now failed in three strait tournaments, but this time they didn't really play badly at all. But the defence was suspect and Japan was almost freakishly good at taking advantage of better teams lapses of concentration. And also had huge slice of luck with that second goal against Spain. Given how hopeless they were when facing a tightly packed defence against Costa Rica, I wasn't exactly happy seeing Japan advance instead of Germany.

Uruguay probably is somewhat weaker than in last two or three World Cups, but were only eliminated because of two dodgy penalty decisions going against them as well as South Korea having more favourable order of games, with them being able to face a heavily rotated Portuguese side already certain of going through in the last group game.

Other big teams present are all through to knock-out rounds with Netherlands and Argentina already in quarters, despite their earlier wobbles. In our local sports media there is a lot of talk about gap closing between traditional power houses Europe and South America and the likes of Asia and Africa. When actually looking behind the simple results and number of teams in knock--out rounds from those continents, then there is little to support that theory.

Yeah, I basically agree with all you wrote here. England beating Senegal at a canter also supports that the gap really has not become that much smaller.

Though, Senegal did miss three important players so I guess they are somewhat excused.

Morocco have been looking interesting, though, and I am intrigued to see if they can do anything against Spain who have not really been able to back up their opening performance.

Also, what a freak Mbappé is! Imagine if France win and he will have two world cups at the age of 23...
 
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Yeah, I basically agree with all you wrote here. England beating Senegal at a canter also supports that the gap really has not become that much smaller.

Though, Senegal did miss three important players so I guess they are somewhat excused.

Morocco have been looking interesting, though, and I am intrigued to see if they can do anything against Spain who have not really been able to back up their opening performance.

Also, what a freak Mbappé is! Imagine if France win and he will have two world cups at the age of 23...

Morocco is interesting indeed, but I still have a hard time seeing them beating Spain. Spain's defeat to Japan was a copy paste of Argentinas loss to Saudi Arabia. In complete control to the extent of being too comfortable for their own good going into half-time and then caught off guard coming out of it. I fully expect them to bounce back from it in a fairly convincing manner.
 
Morocco is interesting indeed, but I still have a hard time seeing them beating Spain. Spain's defeat to Japan was a copy paste of Argentinas loss to Saudi Arabia. In complete control to the extent of being too comfortable for their own good going into half-time and then caught off guard coming out of it. I fully expect them to bounce back from it in a fairly convincing manner.

Spain losing was no great disaster considering their opponent in the Round of 16 would be Morocco rather than Croatia if they didn't win the group, so I don't think it was nearly as eyebrow-raising as Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia (it did get dicey when Costa Rica suddenly were leading Germany, though, but in the final 15 minutes there was no need for urgency).

Japan beating Germany and Spain while losing to Costa Rica must be one of the strangest set of World Cup group results in history, though.
 
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Spain losing was no great disaster considering their opponent in the Round of 16 would be Morocco rather than Croatia if they didn't win the group, so I don't think it was nearly as eyebrow-raising as Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia (it did get dicey when Costa Rica suddenly were leading Germany, though, but in the final 15 minutes there was no need for urgency).

Japan beating Germany and Spain while losing to Costa Rica must be one of the strangest set of World Cup group results in history, though.

Costa Rica made it to the QF in 2014, losing to the Netherlands on penalty kicks.

I always thought of them as solid, but they haven’t lived up to expectations since 2014.
 
There's no basis to generalise that the big teams have gotten worse. Belgium genuinely has, having been stuck with long over the hill golden boys and a manager too weak to drop them. Everybody with a bit of knowledge about the game could name them as the big team most likely to fail even before the tournament.

Denmark had a nightmare of a tournament that nobody really expected, being considered the most likely dark horse going deep into the tournament. Without knowing finer details from behind their scenes, it looks like it's more down to circumstances surrounding this particular tournament, rather than them becoming generally so much weaker in a year and half.

Germany has now failed in three strait tournaments, but this time they didn't really play badly at all. But the defence was suspect and Japan was almost freakishly good at taking advantage of better teams lapses of concentration. And also had huge slice of luck with that second goal against Spain. Given how hopeless they were when facing a tightly packed defence against Costa Rica, I wasn't exactly happy seeing Japan advance instead of Germany.

Uruguay probably is somewhat weaker than in last two or three World Cups, but were only eliminated because of two dodgy penalty decisions going against them as well as South Korea having more favourable order of games, with them being able to face a heavily rotated Portuguese side already certain of going through in the last group game.

Other big teams present are all through to knock-out rounds with Netherlands and Argentina already in quarters, despite their earlier wobbles. In our local sports media there is a lot of talk about gap closing between traditional power houses Europe and South America and the likes of Asia and Africa. When actually looking behind the simple results and number of teams in knock--out rounds from those continents, then there is little to support that theory.

England has always been overrated. The last two major tournaments they’ve had cupcake draws, and they played all but one Euro 2021 game at home. In 2018 they finished 4th, but barely got by Colombia, and were outclassed by both Croatia in the semis and Belgium in the match for 3rd.

Portugal barely made it to the WC. Macedonia totally caved in to the pressure in the final match to decide who would make it. Italy lost to Macedonia in the previous round.

France are looking good right now. Netherlands are solid, but we’ll see how they deal with Argentina next.

Brazil has the fitness and skill, they could very well make the final.

Spain looked good in the first two games, then bottled it against Japan, who, despite 18% possession, scored two goals.

Croatia is under the radar again, and their squad is made up of veterans, but they play Japan. They could make another deep run.

I am rooting for them and anyone not from Europe.
 
The problem is they play with the same players as in 2014.

Their run back then was aided by an easy group though with only former world cup winners (England, Italy, Uruguay) ;)

That was a fun group, I remember Suarez bullying the English defense. Also remember Pirlo’s magical free kick that just missed and Joe Hart’s reaction following it.

Also some biting going on…
 
My overall impression is that loosing Benzema has been a blessing in disguise for France. Having a workhorse who defends and can hold the ball like Giroud really helps the likes of Mbappe and Griezmann. I don't think that the loss of Pogba is that bad either, the one guy that they are probably missing is Kante, the guy still runs like he has a 2nd set of lungs.

Overall I think this whole winter WC is also a bit problematic from a mental side for many top players, you still have the main season goals for your team, who is actually paying your salary, and are in the middle of the season. I can see why lack of focus/motivation could be a bit of a problem.
 
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England has always been overrated. The last two major tournaments they’ve had cupcake draws, and they played all but one Euro 2021 game at home. In 2018 they finished 4th, but barely got by Colombia, and were outclassed by both Croatia in the semis and Belgium in the match for 3rd.

Portugal barely made it to the WC. Macedonia totally caved in to the pressure in the final match to decide who would make it. Italy lost to Macedonia in the previous round.

France are looking good right now. Netherlands are solid, but we’ll see how they deal with Argentina next.

Brazil has the fitness and skill, they could very well make the final.

Spain looked good in the first two games, then bottled it against Japan, who, despite 18% possession, scored two goals.

Croatia is under the radar again, and their squad is made up of veterans, but they play Japan. They could make another deep run.

I am rooting for them and anyone not from Europe.

The hype that has surrounded England in the past is notorious, but this time I don't agree that they are overrated. Complete failure in the Nations League toned down the expectations and I have yet to hear someone consider them favourites against France in their upcoming quarterfinal. But despite playing mindnumbingly tedious football, they are a side filled with world class players in good form (and Harry Maguire) with seemingly good internal atmosphere. Although I don't believe in their chances of winning this World Cup too much, they are still a very strong team and probably the most uncomfortable opponent left for France in their side of the draw.

Personally I expect Brazil to win the tournament, it's hard to find any real weaknesses in them. They have so many ways to find goals in attack and one of the best defences in the world. Brazil-France would probably be the most mouthwatering final. Given that until 2010 no European team had won a World Cup that was held outside Europe, it is about time for a non-European winner again.
 
Spain losing was no great disaster considering their opponent in the Round of 16 would be Morocco rather than Croatia if they didn't win the group, so I don't think it was nearly as eyebrow-raising as Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia (it did get dicey when Costa Rica suddenly were leading Germany, though, but in the final 15 minutes there was no need for urgency).

Japan beating Germany and Spain while losing to Costa Rica must be one of the strangest set of World Cup group results in history, though.
I agree that Argentinas loss to Saudi Arabia was much more surprising, but the similarities mainly lie in a way those games played out. A favourite leading by narrow score but dominating the game to the extent of getting complacent after the first half. And then got caught out by opponent who came out with unexpected vigour after half time and lost the game altogether.
 
Good job lads, Foden, Kane and Jude all in fine form

France favourites but we are in with a good shot

I'm warming to England but maybe I'm biased as they had five Man City players on the pitch and I'd love to see Foden win another World Cup.
Am a little worried about Kyle Walker's fitness. Peak Kyle could take care of Mbappe as demonstrated in the Champions League.
Also there's still 13 Man City players involved in the tournament though that could do down a lot of Spain and Portugal get knocked out today.
 
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