Christian said:
Do you have anything of substance to add to that or is just throwing some names in there without connecting them to the decision today not supposed to be anything else than random waffle?
Christian said:
You very clearly don't like getting called out on your BS do you? But then again, no one does
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kingjr said:You very clearly don't like getting called out on your BS do you? But then again, no one does
Why is it BS? It is only facts.... Susan Westemeyer said that he is disliked by many and I responded that on the other hand he has powerful friends.... that is really all it is, sorry if that is BS?
BigMac said:
I think you're overreacting mate. I found the info with the names useful.
It's great if that info is useful! But tell me, what exactly are you gonna use it for?
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kingjr said:
Well I think it shows well the political and economical power that the club has, how closely interlaced it is with many of the country's biggest companies. I must admit I don't know who sits in other clubs' boards of directors, but I doubt it's people of this calibre, and of such big and diverse companies. The club has seemingly a monopoly - they even have VW, who effectively have their own team. Just recently they inked another €100 Million deal with Allianz. I don't know if there is any other club in the world that has such economic spread and power. As long as this monopoly exists, no team will ever be able to compete. It almost makes you wish a Sheikh would buy Eintracht Braunschweig and bring in Ibrahimovic and co. Of course it's not possible in Germany, and it's a good thing as we saw with 1860 Munich. But on the other hand a team of the calibre of PSG would be refreshing for the Bundesliga.
Of course all that shouldn't influence the outcome of the trial, and clearly it didn't cause it went badly for him. But it's not unheard of that the judicial system gets influenced by outside lobbies.... so I think it was not complete BS. The last word has yet to be spoken.... let's see what they say in the next trial.
PS - That fat guy from the magazine Focus who is always seen next to H. must be fuming right now that this is all happening due to an investigation from his competition
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Of course anytime and anywhere someone this important and this famous gets caught doing something wrong, it is minimized by a large portion of people. Just look in cycling all the doping cases, a lot of National ADA's have been very leniant on their riders, politicians have spoken out in favour of them, etc.
The same thing now happens here.... H. has achieved legendary hero status long ago, so a silly €27,2 Million seems trivial in comparison to all that he's done for the club, for the city, for the state.... and big politicians like Seehofer and Stoiber are not going to drop him because he is simply too important.
Of course worse things have happened and it's not like he killed anyone, so should he reclaim his position after his release, I see no problem with it. The only thing that bugs me is that he seems to have no remorse, no feeling that he did something wrong. On the contrary, he feels unjustly attacked, style "I donated €5 Million to charity, so what are we even doing here?". I think that has two reasons - one, his natural arrogance and pride ("mia san mia", etc.), and two, at a certain point people like him who deal with unimaginable sums of money every day seem to lose all proportion, so that €27,2 Million seems indeed like nothing to him.
Finally, none of this would have ever come out if it wasn't for investigative journalists, and even when he did finally confess, he tried to hide 9/10's of it
The same thing now happens here.... H. has achieved legendary hero status long ago, so a silly €27,2 Million seems trivial in comparison to all that he's done for the club, for the city, for the state.... and big politicians like Seehofer and Stoiber are not going to drop him because he is simply too important.
Of course worse things have happened and it's not like he killed anyone, so should he reclaim his position after his release, I see no problem with it. The only thing that bugs me is that he seems to have no remorse, no feeling that he did something wrong. On the contrary, he feels unjustly attacked, style "I donated €5 Million to charity, so what are we even doing here?". I think that has two reasons - one, his natural arrogance and pride ("mia san mia", etc.), and two, at a certain point people like him who deal with unimaginable sums of money every day seem to lose all proportion, so that €27,2 Million seems indeed like nothing to him.
Finally, none of this would have ever come out if it wasn't for investigative journalists, and even when he did finally confess, he tried to hide 9/10's of it
Christian said:
And Paul Schockemöhle got 11 months probation for tax evasion of 22.6mil DM.
Apples <--> Oranges
Christian said:
Because he made a voluntary declaration of his tax liabilities. But it was not clear whether he made that declaration before or after the start of the investigation. The 11 months were a compromise.
Hoeneß also made such a declaration, but it was flawed/incomplete.
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Interesting development. Hoeneß has defied the advice of his attorneys and will not appeal, but has accepted the sentence. I am going to say he did it less because it was "the honourable thing to do" and more because he was afraid any appeal would just end up with a longer prison sentence.
He also quit his jobs at Bayern München.
He also quit his jobs at Bayern München.
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Susan Westemeyer said:
That's the only logical explanation I can think of, too. Maybe he was also afraid that new documents would surface that would indicate the real amount he has defrauded. Not sure if new documents would be applicable in an appeal though, we'd have to ask Chewie
For those who think Hoeneß got off easy
http://de.statista.com/infografik/2006/durchschnittliches-strafmass-verurteilter-verschiedener-verbrechen-im-jahr-2012-in-jahren/
Average sentence of various criminals in the year 2012
homicide 6.5 years
Hoeneß 3.5 years
rape (without lethal consequence) 3.4 years
robbery & blackmailing 2.4 years
tax evasion 1.3 years
fraud 1.0 years
aggravated battery 0.9 years
possession, distribution and acquisition of written child pornography 0.8 years
http://de.statista.com/infografik/2006/durchschnittliches-strafmass-verurteilter-verschiedener-verbrechen-im-jahr-2012-in-jahren/
Average sentence of various criminals in the year 2012
homicide 6.5 years
Hoeneß 3.5 years
rape (without lethal consequence) 3.4 years
robbery & blackmailing 2.4 years
tax evasion 1.3 years
fraud 1.0 years
aggravated battery 0.9 years
possession, distribution and acquisition of written child pornography 0.8 years
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