The Real Football Thread

[Amsterhammer]

The ajax players are get ridiculous sums of money.just the same and if they were offered a man city contract they would take it without a thought, so i fail to see this difference between the players.

What does the bolded mean, I find it incomprehensible? Ajax players literally earn peanuts compared to the likes of Tevez, Kun, Toure and Balloidiot, any one of whose weekly 'wages' would easily pay all Ajax players for a month or more.

Furthermore, you're wrong about jumping at contracts too. Eriksen was offered a big money move to ****ty last summer and, according to his agent, turned it down "in 10 seconds flat" because he knew he wasn't ready for that move 'up' yet.

If you really "fail to see the difference" between the Ajax and ****ty players on the pitch tonight you might be better off sticking to cycling commentary and leaving football alone.

On another note, I'm looking forward to Gooner's next major anti-Wenger rant after he's recovered from the shock.

 

[Alphabet]

Wrong.

Over £1b investment so far by Sheikh Mansour is a different world to what Arsenal, Liverpool and especially Ajax ever lived in. None of these clubs could take a loss of a £174m in one year alone like City did and survive. They would go straight into adminstration and probably go out of existence. The same with City goes for Chelsea as well. Chelsea announce losses one year in 2011 of £70m and in the same week they go out and spend £75m on Torres and Luiz. They are constantly making loss year in year out but can continue to spend money enourmously in the last 2 years on Torres, Luiz, Oscar, Hazard, Lukaku, Mata, Cahill, Azpilicueta, De Bruyne, Romeu, and Courtois. This is financial doping.

Arsenal, Liverpool and United are self-sufficient and don't rely on benefactors. Ajax always relied on their famous academy for producing players just like in the 90s when Van Gaal won the European Cup when Kluivert scored the winner against Milan.

Right, so spending $50,000 in the early 50s purchasing Alfredo di Stefano, all debts underwritten by the Spanish government is much different to spending 50 million pounds on Fernando Torres in 2011 underwritten by a Russian mafia lord?

 

[DominicDecoco]

The ajax players are get ridiculous sums of money.just the same and if they were offered a man city contract they would take it without a thought, so i fail to see this difference between the players.

Now that is words of ignorance.

 

[DominicDecoco]

The ajax players are get ridiculous sums of money.just the same and if they were offered a man city contract they would take it without a thought, so i fail to see this difference between the players.

Well, compared to cyclists they do. Compared to other Champion League clubs they get peanuts. Ajax simply do not have the money to pay 1.5 million/week like City.

Don't know what you mean with 'just the same'.

And no. There are plenty of players that has refused a move to City despite a major raise in salary - latest with Eriksen in Ajax as Amsterhammer mentioned. Not everyone has money as the first priority. Some do, correct. Latest with Swansea's Scott Sinclair moving away from playing time every week to a place on the bench with little chance of being a regular starter in City.

City have troubled themselves by throwing money out here and there to be able to get players in. They can't get a player now without the salary is close to or over 1 million/week. They can't sell their players without still having to pay 50% of their wages as the buying clubs won't or can match the salaries. They had Wayne Bridge with limited abilities playing for the reserves earning ridiculous amount of money. They simply couldn't get rid of him. They are also still paying Adebayor even though he's in Tottenham right now.

 

[Arnout]

The ajax players are get ridiculous sums of money.just the same and if they were offered a man city contract they would take it without a thought, so i fail to see this difference between the players.

Not really, Eriksen got offered a City contract but declined.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Hold up, what Man City are doing is nothing different to what Ajax, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Man United or anybody else recognised as a "Legendary European Football Institution" did. Every single club that is recognised as a big club relied at some point in their history on a massive cash injection.

You can't hate on City and then extol the virtues of a club that is no more 'moral' than them.

As Gooner has already pointed out, you are simply dead wrong here, dude. Also, dragging Di Stefano into this discussion is an absurd red herring.

So, while we wait for both you and Hitch to come and eat some crow as a result of your ridiculous, misplaced, and just plain wrong comments and assumptions, I've done a bit of research and some calculations.

As we all know, Tevez 'earns' 250k pounds per week. The highest paid Ajax player on the pitch last night, captain Siem de Jong, earns 880,000 euros per annum, which works out (roughly) to around 14,700 pounds per week at current exchange rates.

Not much difference though, eh?

And yes, what Citeh and Chavscum have done and continue to do is indeed very different to what any other club has done in the past - as Gooner also rightly pointed out, they are ruining the game on a previously unheard of scale by effectively doping with money.

edit - The highest paid Ajax player, Sulejmani, didn't play last night. He earns approximately 33k pounds per week, an amount for which most mediocre Prem players would refuse to get out of bed.

 

[The Hitch]

As Gooner has already pointed out, you are simply dead wrong here, dude. Also, dragging Di Stefano into this discussion is an absurd red herring.

So, while we wait for both you and Hitch to come and eat some crow as a result of your ridiculous, misplaced, and just plain wrong comments and assumptions, I've done a bit of research and some calculations.

As we all know, Tevez 'earns' 250k pounds per week. The highest paid Ajax player on the pitch last night, captain Siem de Jong, earns 880,000 euros per annum, which works out (roughly) to around 14,700 pounds per week at current exchange rates.

Not much difference though, eh?

And yes, what Citeh and Chavscum have done and continue to do is indeed very different to what any other club has done in the past - as Gooner also rightly pointed out, they are ruining the game on a previously unheard of scale by effectively doping with money.

edit - The highest paid Ajax player, Sulejmani, didn't play last night. He earns approximately 33k pounds per week, an amount for which most mediocre Prem players would refuse to get out of bed.

15 grand a week does not qualify for " ridiculous sums of.money"? Don't know what world you live but here on planet earth i think it does. Now you may say oh but city spend x amount of money on so on and so on but most of those guys are far bigger stars. And the fact that a city reserve player may get more.money does not mean the ajax players are not getting overpaid.

Its a lot easier to make.an argument for the top.10 or 20 or even 50 players in the world being millionaires than it is for guys who one wonders if they are even in the world top 400.

Btw how much do your beloved Barcelona spend on wages? Hmm

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Is John Terry going to Valencia?

 

[Amsterhammer]

The ajax players are get ridiculous sums of money.just the same and if they were offered a man city contract they would take it without a thought, so i fail to see this difference between the players.

This was your statement. Perhaps there would have been less confusion if you had taken a little more care with your language instead of confusing everyone who read it?

You claimed that Ajax players get ridiculous money "just the same", which most readers would understand to mean 'like City'. You said these Ajax players would jump at a City contract and you failed to see a difference between the players.

At least two other posters apart from myself pulled you up for simply being wrong in every part of your strangely worded post.

You then come back with the post below, which is simply you moving the goalposts and suddenly broadening the discussion into something completely different. Are all professional footballers obscenely overpaid for what they do? Of course, they are. But that's not what you said originally, and that's not what was being talked about.

You shot off your mouth, you totally missed any target, just say 'my bad' and we're done, instead of suddenly going off on a philosophical tangent about footballers in general being overpaid. We were talking about City compared to teams like Ajax.

I have no idea about Barca's wage bill, but I'll bet it's a lot less than City's - and neither Barca, nor even Real, both of whom have spent positively obscene amounts of money on players, are in the same category of obscenity as Chavscum and Citeh

15 grand a week does not qualify for " ridiculous sums of.money"? Don't know what world you live but here on planet earth i think it does. Now you may say oh but city spend x amount of money on so on and so on but most of those guys are far bigger stars. And the fact that a city reserve player may get more.money does not mean the ajax players are not getting overpaid.

Its a lot easier to make.an argument for the top.10 or 20 or even 50 players in the world being millionaires than it is for guys who one wonders if they are even in the world top 400.

Btw how much do your beloved Barcelona spend on wages? Hmm

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Geez!! another thread which is turning into who's d!ck is longer?

 

[Amsterhammer]

Geez!! another thread which is turning into who's d!ck is longer?

Not at all, Zam. If you've actually read the last couple of pages you'll know that it's very simple. Hitch posts some bull which is shown by several posters to be bull and just plain wrong, but won't accept that and instead comes back with something that has nothing to do with the original point of contention.

And anyway, my schlong is huge.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Never ever seen a game quite like that between Arsenal and Reading.

0-1, 0-2, 0-3, 0-4, 1-4, 2-4, 3-4, 4-4, 5-4, 5-5, 6-5, 7-5 to Arsenal.

Unbelievable.

Was waiting for you to show up.

I happened to see the first half, then did other stuff as I wasn't personally involved, channel hopped back a few minutes before full time, score 4-2, decided to see out the remaining few minutes, hey presto, it's 4-4 and extra time, so of course I stayed for that. What an utterly bizarre game, but lots of fun to watch as a neutral.

 

[The Hitch]

You claimed that Ajax players get ridiculous money "just the same", which most readers would understand to mean 'like City'. You said these Ajax players would jump at a City contract and you failed to see a difference between the players.

No, the phrasing "just the same" does not cover the actual values whatsoever.

The only thing the phrase mentions is the characteristic of getting paid ridiculous sums of money.

Team A gets paid ridiculous sums of money.

Team B gets paid ridiculous sums of money

= they get paid ridiculous sums of money just the same.

It doesnt matter if Team B gets 10 times as much as Team A, all that matters is that i have judged both to tick the box - "gets paid ridiculous sums of money".

You are probably confusing the above with a sentence structure like this - "they both get paid the same ridiculous sums of money". But that is not what i wrote, as you kindly pointed out in your post, my wording was, once again "get ridiculous sums of money just the same"

Glad to help.

The Hitch.

 

[Amsterhammer]

No, the phrasing "just the same" does not cover the actual values whatsoever.

The only thing the phrase mentions is the characteristic of getting paid ridiculous sums of money.

Team A gets paid ridiculous sums of money.

Team B gets paid ridiculous sums of money

= they get paid ridiculous sums of money just the same.

It doesnt matter if Team B gets 10 times as much as Team A, all that matters is that i have judged both to tick the box - "gets paid ridiculous sums of money".

You are probably confusing the above with a sentence structure like this - "they both get paid the same ridiculous sums of money". But that is not what i wrote, as you kindly pointed out in your post, my wording was, once again "get ridiculous sums of money just the same"

Glad to help.

The Hitch.

And as I and others tried to make clear to you, it is entirely wrong to mention the "ridiculous sums of money" that Citeh players get paid in the same breath with the "ridiculous sums" of money that Ajax players are paid. The former's amounts are "ridiculous" even by the already ridiculous standards rife in football today, whereas the latter's "ridiculous" amounts are only ridiculous by comparison with ordinary folk like you and I, but not at all "ridiculous" by comparison with clubs like Citeh. Bang.

But of course, you knew that. You're just being your usual argumentative, 'I know everything better' self.

HTH

 

[DominicDecoco]

No, the phrasing "just the same" does not cover the actual values whatsoever.

The only thing the phrase mentions is the characteristic of getting paid ridiculous sums of money.

Team A gets paid ridiculous sums of money.

Team B gets paid ridiculous sums of money

= they get paid ridiculous sums of money just the same.

It doesnt matter if Team B gets 10 times as much as Team A, all that matters is that i have judged both to tick the box - "gets paid ridiculous sums of money".

You are probably confusing the above with a sentence structure like this - "they both get paid the same ridiculous sums of money". But that is not what i wrote, as you kindly pointed out in your post, my wording was, once again "get ridiculous sums of money just the same"

Glad to help.

The Hitch.

Jesus, now I undestand Zam_Olyas's post above. It's like reading an El Pisto reply.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Arsenal Vs Reading 7-5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOnrAeNwuQ&feature=youtu.be

 

[The Hitch]

And as I and others tried to make clear to you, it is entirely wrong to mention the "ridiculous sums of money" that Citeh players get paid in the same breath with the "ridiculous sums" of money that Ajax players are paid.

But of course, you knew that. You're just being your usual argumentative, 'I know everything better' self

Its a bit rich for you to call me argumentative. You attacked my post i defended it (rightly, as you had clearly failed to understand simple grammar) . and with your usual childish qualities having spit first you turn to the teacher and shout - "wah, he started it".

And btw Ill decide if i want to lump someone who earns 14 grand and 500 grand a week, together, thank you very much. To me they both live in a bubble, totally seperate from the majority of the world. And its "wrong" for me to have this opinion. lol, whatever.

 

[Parrulo]

any opinion on the whole Ferguson vs Nani "situation"? what is really going on? i think it has always been pretty obvious that ferguson wasn't very fond of nani, particularly after the last CL final MU played against barcelona, but ever since his situation has just been getting worse and worse.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Its a bit rich for you to call me argumentative. You attacked my post i defended it (rightly, as you had clearly failed to understand simple grammar)

I'm by no means an expert in english grammar myself but.. "The ajax players are get ridiculous sums of money.just the same and if they... "

Simple grammar? Really?

 

[l.Harm]

Well, Nani isn't that kind of team player you want to have. Especially now with Van Persie and Rooney you need players who serve them. Nani playes his own match.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Gossip that City and AC Milan might do a shocking/surprising exchange with Mario going back to Italy and ll Faraone aka el sharawy going to citeh. I myself don't see it happening but you never know.

 

[palmerq]

Gossip that City and AC Milan might do a shocking/surprising exchange with Mario going back to Italy and ll Faraone aka el sharawy going to citeh. I myself don't see it happening but you never know.

this sounds like the type of deal ac milan love :S i could see that happening ....

 

[Scorpius]

Celtic just went 2-0 up on Barcelona at home in the Champions League. Big night in Glasgow.

 

[Scorpius]

2-1 now to Celtic. What a match.

 

[Scorpius]

The final whistle has just blown after four minutes of extra time. Great result for Celtic. 2-1 winners against Barcelona at Parkhead.