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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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I haven't watched that many Tours for someone my age, but I've already forgot who finished 3rd in most of them. But I think I'll be able to remember this one for a long time. It's so....well 'commanding' is a wrong word since two other guys bossed him around, but you know what I mean, it's just a really good one.
 
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So you hope the third best GT rider doesn't try to beat the best two in the future, while it is clear as day that he still has plenty to improve upon. You like watching the most boring GT's i guess. Or you think Almeida or Rodriguez or whoever are going to beat them? Hindley? Mas? Hart? Maybe you can make an assessment of other riders who are not even close to Evenepoel's level, that you think are going to beat Pogi.

Should Vingegaard keep trying? Evenepoel was closer to him than he was to Pogacar. So if even the 3rd best GT rider shouldn't bother anymore, then what should all the others do? Maybe everyone should sign for UAE to make Pog's life even easier.

You think winning the Giro might be worthwile? The Vuelta again? What about Pogi getting covid or crashing one day during the TDF, let's hand that victory to the first guy who actually didn't give up trying.
Woah, take it easy there sport.
I want him to succeed and get the most out of his career. In my opinion, focussing on winning the TdF would definitely be the wrong road for him. That's my opinion. You're free to disagree of course, but maybe be a bit less defensive about it?
 
Woah, take it easy there sport.
I want him to succeed and get the most out of his career. In my opinion, focussing on winning the TdF would definitely be the wrong road for him. That's my opinion. You're free to disagree of course, but maybe be a bit less defensive about it?

He could start by not crashing in April and eating pies and strudels in June before the Dauphine

He should have lost this by 2-3 minutes. Not the 10 he did. That is down to the crash and using the Ullrich training method
 
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Hats off to Evenepoel. Showed again and again that he's a potential Tour de France winner. Didn't show any sign of weakness (maybe his technique in the more technical descents like Galibier) and was consistent AF. I think part of the 'concern' towards him was his versatility, he's a guy that could steer his career towards any direction. Also his media presence was pleasant, a nice combination of bold, edgy and respectful. Now that he'll focus 100 percent on GC's I'm sure he'll do great in the future, he's an asset to our sport.
 
Attacks from GC contenders:
Remco - stage 9 (two attacks), stage 17 and stage 20 (two attacks)
Pog - stage 2, stage 4, stage 9 (infinite attacks), stage 11, stage 13, stage 14, stage 17, stage 19
Vingegaard - stage 14, stage 20
The rest - some top-10 attacks on Col de Braus (Ciccone, Gee etc)
 
Great first TDF experience!

Podium and a stage win was the best he could realistically aim for and he achieved that while proving he does in fact have great GT potential.

Only thing that could have made it even better (at least for me) was wearing the yellow jersey for a few days because he had a perfect shot at that when Carapaz claimed it.

I hope he's not completely empty now and can recharge the batteries for the Olympic Games.

For the TT I think Tarling is gonna be unbeatable but if he can maintain his form a medal is definitely realistic.

But he's a winner and while he will be very happy and proud with his TDF podium I think he'll want to win again as soon as possible so I'm backing him for the Olympic Road Race where he doesn't have to hold back anything anymore and can light up the race and see if anybody can hang on.
 
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He's definitely at a level that would suffice to win the TDF most of the time. There is still a big gap between him and Pogacar/Vingegaard though. Time will tell whether that gap can be bridged... Looking at Pogacar's dominance this year, it seems almost impossible. Who knows, it's no guarantee that Pog will be this strong every year.

He has at least shown that his dream of winning the TDF is not as out of reach as some people previously claimed.
 
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I'm living on planet earth, where are you living is the real question. If you think him in the Giro '23 is in any shape or form comparable to now, that's quite funny. His form was indeed good, but he was 2kg heavier than now, not that far from his Dauphiné weight actually. It would probably have been enough with the TT's to win the Giro against a subpar Roglic, old man Thomas and Almeida, but comparable to now, not by a longshot.

I will also respond to your other drivle in this post, so i don't have to quote you multiple times. Since Vervaeke quit with Covid, Van Wilder has had a different role in the team. If you want to know how bad his form was going into the Tour, check the ITT and check Galibier. I never claimed he was in his best shape (i even said this early in the season), i merely (successfully) debunked your claims that he was out of shape. There's a big difference. So... how many times did you apologise to him? Because you expect me to apologise to the team nutritionist, lol. How about you start apologising to people on the forum you tried to mock or falsely accused of lying?

Evenepoel did not get boxed in. I guess on San Luca he just dropped because he wanted to get dropped. And on Pla d'Adet he actually was so slow that even a snail like Rodriguez outpunched him to react to Vingegaard, but he was not boxed in. And i guess Evenepoel was lying everytime when he said so himself that he got boxed in on numerous occasions. Must be. He should apologise.

Now Pogacar is equally strong / stronger on the flat... well that's possible in case Evenepoel burned himself on the climbs, sure. That's a bit like claiming Evenepoel is stronger on the climb because Evenepoel climbed faster in the first TT (because Pogacar overpaced on the flat and the first part uphill).

And you keep ignoring the elephant in the room. You claiming he could impossibly be this skinny, be at this weight and keep his power throughout 3 weeks. "Because of his metabolism". Remco is like Wout and Indurain... loooooool. In the meanwhile, you go kicking and screeaming about, making ridiculous claims while calling other people liars. What a joke. Keep attacking me to divert attention to the real discussion, haha.
You didn't react properly on my different remarks. What was to be expected.

But let's summarize.

At the start of the Giro 23, Evenepoel had the ideal shape (1 kg more than at the start of the Tour). That's how it was planned. Very strong in the first TT in order to take enough time to Roglic and Thomas. Strong enough in the climbing, indeed only against a subpar Roglic, old man Thomas and Almeida. If Pogacar and/or Vingegaard had participated in that Giro, Evenepoel would have done a different build-up and he would also have been at the start with less weight (climbing better but performing less in TT, as we could see during this Tour). The fact that you don't know this once again proves your questionable (scientific) knowledge of cycling. Which was also confirmed a few weeks ago when you insulted the Evenepoel entourage in a truly shameful way. Which is already intolerable among civilized people. Have you, as an insider:coldsweat:, confronted Evenepoel and his entourage with the awfull comments you made ? But anyway, in this way you also suggested that Evenepoel would perform poorly in the Tour, and in any case below his level, due to a completely wrong policy in terms of nutrition, weight management, way of training, etc. This was completely refuted by the facts from the first day of the Tour to the last.

There were others who had attributed Evenepoel a (slightly) lesser Tour. I expected/hoped for a top five. Also due to his much inferior descent qualities and the threat of a bad day and/or a crash. But for most of them the assessment was based on facts (past, intrinsic qualities). Not based on dislike of certain people or a total lack of (scientific) sports background.
We can also reverse it. Where would Evenepoel have finished in the Tour with a good nutritionist, expert trainers and without a crash diet :rolleyes: ?). At the first place ? How many minutes ahead? Really ?

What about Van Wilder ? You already seem to be softening your claims. Suddenly it no longer has (just) to do with that one altitude trainingcamp before the Dauphiné (almost two months ago).The fact remains that Van Wilder intrinsically has the qualities to be just below the GC toppers and/or to be a top domestique. Being a quite good climber, quite a time specialist and a strong uphill sprint finisher. So, with the potential of a top 15/20 in the Tour. Or helping Evenepoel/Landa in what was left of the group of GC-riders in the last climb. One can only hope he will find his good legs after those difficult months. But also that he can now better assess his qualities and weaknesses.

A last time about the weight, but even more so the physique/built of Evenepoel. If you just look at Evenepoel visually, you see that he is a completely different type of rider than, for example, Vingegaard and Pogacar. He is heavier built, has more muscles in the upper body. Have you seen the arms like thin sticks of Vingegaard and Pogacar ? You seem to only look at the length when you refer to the unfair comparison with Indurain. Evenepoel has almost the lenght of a climber but also almost the built of a more classic rider (or a type Indurain). Something you don't see that often in the peloton. I have actually never known such a small (in lenght) rider who is a top TT rider. But is also a rather good climber ((not a topclimber) with his built.
 
At the start of the Giro 23, Evenepoel had the ideal shape (1 kg more than at the start of the Tour). That's how it was planned. Very strong in the first TT in order to take enough time to Roglic and Thomas. Strong enough in the climbing, indeed only against a subpar Roglic, old man Thomas and Almeida. If Pogacar and/or Vingegaard had participated in that Giro, Evenepoel would have done a different build-up and he would also have been at the start with less weight (climbing better but performing less in TT, as we could see during this Tour). The fact that you don't know this once again proves your questionable (scientific) knowledge of cycling.
As always, completely besides the point and ignoring your own ridiculous claims you are called out on. But i'll respond to this part. He weighed 63 at the beginning of the Giro '23. That's 1.5kg more than for this TDF and for the '22 Vuelta.
Yes, i don't know that his weight plays a role in his TT ability as it does in his climbing ability. Do you REALLY believe there is ONE reader of this forum, who actually believes you when you claim i don't know that? :hearteyes: The fact that you actually seem to believe your own figments is endearing.
So you say his weight was higher in order to perform in the TT's that Giro. As already explained to you multiple times (but i assume you lack the scientific knowledge to process this information) there is NO UNIVERSE where this is a good idea, because the amount of extra time you will take on one single TT, is PEANUTS compared to the potential you lose uphill. 1.5kg means you lose 45s per 30 minutes MTF... EACH TIME.
So... let's talk more about those TT's in the Giro, because you clearly did not even check the TT's. Evenepoel got Covid and dropped out. He never rode that final TT. All the time he MIGHT have gained in the first two flat TT's he would have lost in the final TT, which had a 8km at 11% closing MTF. You are so very very knowledgeable.
 
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As always, completely besides the point and ignoring your own ridiculous claims you are called out on. But i'll respond to this part. He weighed 63 at the beginning of the Giro '23. That's 1.5kg more than for this TDF and for the '22 Vuelta.
Yes, i don't know that his weight plays a role in his TT ability as it does in his climbing ability. Do you REALLY believe there is ONE reader of this forum, who actually believes you when you claim i don't know that? :hearteyes: The fact that you actually seem to believe your own figments is endearing.
So you say his weight was higher in order to perform in the TT's that Giro. As already explained to you multiple times (but i assume you lack the scientific knowledge to process this information) there is NO UNIVERSE where this is a good idea, because the amount of extra time you will take on one single TT, is PEANUTS compared to the potential you lose uphill. 1.5kg means you lose 45s per 30 minutes MTF... EACH TIME.
So... let's talk more about those TT's in the Giro, because you clearly did not even check the TT's. Evenepoel got Covid and dropped out. He never rode that final TT. All the time he MIGHT have gained in the first two flat TT's he would have lost in the final TT, which had a 8km at 11% closing MTF. You are so very very knowledgeable.
It's about one kg. Competing against 33-year Roglic and old man Thomas.

You still seem to believe in infinite weight reductions that would then lead to infinitely better climbing performance. It doesn't work that way. There is only a small margin where lower weight can lead to better climbing performance. Without losing to much power in TT, on flat sections, in crosswind and without increasing your risk of getting sick or have a breakdown or just fade. In addition, the aspect of the type of rider also plays a role (morphology, metabolism). Aspects you clearly have no knowledge of.

I'm going to revers things again so that even you can understand.

Let's get Van Aert and VDP another 4, 5, 6.....? kg weight loss, in order to become topclimbers. That just won't work. But after a few days they would have to leave the Tour depleted. Riders as Vingegaard and Pogacar have a less small margin while lowering the weight in order to perform in the mountains. We have seen Pogacar taking the risk to weight less (1 kg ? 1,5 kg ?) during this Tour than during the Giro in May. Although not entirely without risk, Pogacar was still able to do this. Evenepoel couldn't take that risk. He probably would have exploded during the last week. But even for skinny Pogacar and skeletal Vingegaard there are physical, physiological limits. I am quite sure, with "coaches" like Matxin and Gianetti, that those boundaries will one day be exceeded at Pogacar. Resulting in a failed Tour. But only if/when Pogacar will be pushed that far by a Vingegaard in topshape.
 
Looks like the team finally understood that when going for GC, climbing is more important than TT (unlike what some people in previous posts believe).

 
Looks like the team finally understood that when going for GC, climbing is more important than TT (unlike what some people in previous posts believe).


You also have to see what kind of course it is

If it is a 90s TDF course with 140km of flat ITT with 70km of TTT, then yes, focus more on your TT (but don't forget climbing). If it is the current course, then yes, focus on climbing more
 
You also have to see what kind of course it is

If it is a 90s TDF course with 140km of flat ITT with 70km of TTT, then yes, focus more on your TT (but don't forget climbing). If it is the current course, then yes, focus on climbing more
Regardless of the course, the gain in the mountains will always be much greater. I can't imagine them suddenly going with a total of 150km flat TT and only 1 or 2 HC MTF. Which would be needed in order to prioritize TT over climbing. And regardless the amount of TT kilometers, he will always be able to fall back on his aerodynamic posture even when he can push a bit less power on the flats.

I believe they should put more time in preparing specific TT's. Course reconnaissance, cornering and downhill, pacing plan... Those are seconds they are now throwing out the window. Yesterday he lost 37s to Pogacar in the downhill section. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rac...1&avgsc=1&sortby=t23time&filter2=Apply+filter
 
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Regardless of the course, the gain in the mountains will always be much greater. I can't imagine them suddenly going with a total of 150km flat TT and only 1 or 2 HC MTF. Which would be needed in order to prioritize TT over climbing. And regardless the amount of TT kilometers, he will always be able to fall back on his aerodynamic posture even when he can push a bit less power on the flats.

I believe they should put more time in preparing specific TT's. Course reconnaissance, cornering and downhill, pacing plan... Those are seconds they are now throwing out the window. Yesterday he lost 37s to Pogacar in the downhill section. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rac...1&avgsc=1&sortby=t23time&filter2=Apply+filter

37 seconds on the downhill?

OOOOFFFF
 
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and 40s on vingegaard, Pog being at home was huge advantage for this descent.
Pog did the recon of the course ad nauseam. Same with Vingegaard last year in Combloux. Evenepoel lost the '22 WCC to Foss who had been reconning the course nearly 2 weeks before Evenepoel, who once more displayed his lousy cornering technique.

They can improve his TT even at a lower weight. But they keep ignoring the elephant in the room. He could even do a recon of a TT course from the car with a broken collarbone instead of eating ice cream.