It's not the 80s when Lemond finished third in his debut Tour, some 10 minutes down. Remco needs another system to have any chance.
They will all three ride the giro next year for the win as a preparation for the tour. That will be the new normal after this tour.
Woah, take it easy there sport.So you hope the third best GT rider doesn't try to beat the best two in the future, while it is clear as day that he still has plenty to improve upon. You like watching the most boring GT's i guess. Or you think Almeida or Rodriguez or whoever are going to beat them? Hindley? Mas? Hart? Maybe you can make an assessment of other riders who are not even close to Evenepoel's level, that you think are going to beat Pogi.
Should Vingegaard keep trying? Evenepoel was closer to him than he was to Pogacar. So if even the 3rd best GT rider shouldn't bother anymore, then what should all the others do? Maybe everyone should sign for UAE to make Pog's life even easier.
You think winning the Giro might be worthwile? The Vuelta again? What about Pogi getting covid or crashing one day during the TDF, let's hand that victory to the first guy who actually didn't give up trying.
Woah, take it easy there sport.
I want him to succeed and get the most out of his career. In my opinion, focussing on winning the TdF would definitely be the wrong road for him. That's my opinion. You're free to disagree of course, but maybe be a bit less defensive about it?
It was an asinine suggestion. He's 24, finished 3rd in his first TDF. WTF, lol.Woah, take it easy there sport.
I want him to succeed and get the most out of his career. In my opinion, focussing on winning the TdF would definitely be the wrong road for him. That's my opinion. You're free to disagree of course, but maybe be a bit less defensive about it?
They don't operate. They have tiny ice vests for every occasion!He'll have to time the operation so he doesn't lose valuable training days. 12 days in a hospital were too many for our Danish hero.
You didn't react properly on my different remarks. What was to be expected.I'm living on planet earth, where are you living is the real question. If you think him in the Giro '23 is in any shape or form comparable to now, that's quite funny. His form was indeed good, but he was 2kg heavier than now, not that far from his Dauphiné weight actually. It would probably have been enough with the TT's to win the Giro against a subpar Roglic, old man Thomas and Almeida, but comparable to now, not by a longshot.
I will also respond to your other drivle in this post, so i don't have to quote you multiple times. Since Vervaeke quit with Covid, Van Wilder has had a different role in the team. If you want to know how bad his form was going into the Tour, check the ITT and check Galibier. I never claimed he was in his best shape (i even said this early in the season), i merely (successfully) debunked your claims that he was out of shape. There's a big difference. So... how many times did you apologise to him? Because you expect me to apologise to the team nutritionist, lol. How about you start apologising to people on the forum you tried to mock or falsely accused of lying?
Evenepoel did not get boxed in. I guess on San Luca he just dropped because he wanted to get dropped. And on Pla d'Adet he actually was so slow that even a snail like Rodriguez outpunched him to react to Vingegaard, but he was not boxed in. And i guess Evenepoel was lying everytime when he said so himself that he got boxed in on numerous occasions. Must be. He should apologise.
Now Pogacar is equally strong / stronger on the flat... well that's possible in case Evenepoel burned himself on the climbs, sure. That's a bit like claiming Evenepoel is stronger on the climb because Evenepoel climbed faster in the first TT (because Pogacar overpaced on the flat and the first part uphill).
And you keep ignoring the elephant in the room. You claiming he could impossibly be this skinny, be at this weight and keep his power throughout 3 weeks. "Because of his metabolism". Remco is like Wout and Indurain... loooooool. In the meanwhile, you go kicking and screeaming about, making ridiculous claims while calling other people liars. What a joke. Keep attacking me to divert attention to the real discussion, haha.
As always, completely besides the point and ignoring your own ridiculous claims you are called out on. But i'll respond to this part. He weighed 63 at the beginning of the Giro '23. That's 1.5kg more than for this TDF and for the '22 Vuelta.At the start of the Giro 23, Evenepoel had the ideal shape (1 kg more than at the start of the Tour). That's how it was planned. Very strong in the first TT in order to take enough time to Roglic and Thomas. Strong enough in the climbing, indeed only against a subpar Roglic, old man Thomas and Almeida. If Pogacar and/or Vingegaard had participated in that Giro, Evenepoel would have done a different build-up and he would also have been at the start with less weight (climbing better but performing less in TT, as we could see during this Tour). The fact that you don't know this once again proves your questionable (scientific) knowledge of cycling.
It's about one kg. Competing against 33-year Roglic and old man Thomas.As always, completely besides the point and ignoring your own ridiculous claims you are called out on. But i'll respond to this part. He weighed 63 at the beginning of the Giro '23. That's 1.5kg more than for this TDF and for the '22 Vuelta.
Yes, i don't know that his weight plays a role in his TT ability as it does in his climbing ability. Do you REALLY believe there is ONE reader of this forum, who actually believes you when you claim i don't know that?The fact that you actually seem to believe your own figments is endearing.
So you say his weight was higher in order to perform in the TT's that Giro. As already explained to you multiple times (but i assume you lack the scientific knowledge to process this information) there is NO UNIVERSE where this is a good idea, because the amount of extra time you will take on one single TT, is PEANUTS compared to the potential you lose uphill. 1.5kg means you lose 45s per 30 minutes MTF... EACH TIME.
So... let's talk more about those TT's in the Giro, because you clearly did not even check the TT's. Evenepoel got Covid and dropped out. He never rode that final TT. All the time he MIGHT have gained in the first two flat TT's he would have lost in the final TT, which had a 8km at 11% closing MTF. You are so very very knowledgeable.
Myea, because clearly, there is not a big difference between Evenepoel climbing with 63kg or with 61.5kg. You realise, most of us here actually have eyes? Anyway, thanks for the laughs again.snip
Looks like the team finally understood that when going for GC, climbing is more important than TT (unlike what some people in previous posts believe).
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Regardless of the course, the gain in the mountains will always be much greater. I can't imagine them suddenly going with a total of 150km flat TT and only 1 or 2 HC MTF. Which would be needed in order to prioritize TT over climbing. And regardless the amount of TT kilometers, he will always be able to fall back on his aerodynamic posture even when he can push a bit less power on the flats.You also have to see what kind of course it is
If it is a 90s TDF course with 140km of flat ITT with 70km of TTT, then yes, focus more on your TT (but don't forget climbing). If it is the current course, then yes, focus on climbing more
Regardless of the course, the gain in the mountains will always be much greater. I can't imagine them suddenly going with a total of 150km flat TT and only 1 or 2 HC MTF. Which would be needed in order to prioritize TT over climbing. And regardless the amount of TT kilometers, he will always be able to fall back on his aerodynamic posture even when he can push a bit less power on the flats.
I believe they should put more time in preparing specific TT's. Course reconnaissance, cornering and downhill, pacing plan... Those are seconds they are now throwing out the window. Yesterday he lost 37s to Pogacar in the downhill section. https://www.procyclingstats.com/rac...1&avgsc=1&sortby=t23time&filter2=Apply+filter
To all the non-believersHe'll be fine for the Tour. Good enough for a podium, I expect, if he can remain consistent for 3 weeks.
Yup, but that's ok. His entourage at the team is doing a terrific job i am told. This is merely an insignificant problem that hasn't cost him minute upon minute, and it's not a problem they could have dealt with... like 4 years ago.37 seconds on the downhill?
OOOOFFFF
The second fastest was Jorgenson, who lost 20 s in the descent to Pogacar, and....Jorgenson also lives in that area.and 40s on vingegaard, Pog being at home was huge advantage for this descent.
Pog did the recon of the course ad nauseam. Same with Vingegaard last year in Combloux. Evenepoel lost the '22 WCC to Foss who had been reconning the course nearly 2 weeks before Evenepoel, who once more displayed his lousy cornering technique.and 40s on vingegaard, Pog being at home was huge advantage for this descent.
Step by step, they take on problems as they come. They'll learn from this and adaptYup, but that's ok. His entourage at the team is doing a terrific job i am told. This is merely an insignificant problem that hasn't cost him minute upon minute, and it's not a problem they could have dealt with... like 4 years ago.