Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Blanco]

Sure but we don't have relaible kermesse records for older riders, and ultiamtely we can only compare across similar/same races.

Also, I would love to get a good valuation system to rate riders that does an excellent job of rating the value of a win.


I wsa jsut posting what appears to be the win totals in races that currently count as pro wins.

According to Cycling Archives Briek Schotte had 46 road victories (excluding criteriums).
Impanis also had 46.
Aerts had 37.
And Andre Dierickx had 78.

 

[jfazendeiro]

A few months ago it was clear for this forum that he couldn't climb. Now he does this and people start speaking about winning Suisse and a top result at Vuelta.

 

[Lequack]

He will win the Vuelta! Others will be tired from the Tour or just not up to par.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

According to Cycling Archives Briek Schotte had 46 road victories (excluding criteriums).
Impanis also had 46.
Aerts had 37.
And Andre Dierickx had 78.

Time to update my sources Thank you for the source

 

[houtdffan]

With the cobles stage in the tour and all the media attention in Belgium? No way, in all scenario's he should stick to the initial plan and do the vuelta. Otherwise they make the same error as last year.

Last year was sending him the giro with no prep or races

This would actually be a typical TDF prep

 

[tobydawq]

The many good performances are likely explained by a different magnetism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1530089032490921989

View: https://twitter.com/Tim_Declercq/status/1530089032490921989?t=hkxiz0UoDCMYlWyjz8Q2rw&s=19

 

[carolina]

Is it true that he stopped for a pee 10 to 15 times yesterday? That seems highly exagerated.

 

[Bonimenier]

Is it true that he stopped for a pee 10 to 15 times yesterday? That seems highly exagerated.

Not yesterday, but 3 days ago. At least that was what he told in the post race interview, but likely it was a tad exaggerated.

 

[Red Rick]

The many good performances are likely explained by a different magnetism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1530089032490921989

View: https://twitter.com/Tim_Declercq/status/1530089032490921989?t=hkxiz0UoDCMYlWyjz8Q2rw&s=19

Temperature was ideal.

I'm a bit interested in air pressure fluctuations in relation to power outputs but there's never any data on that.

 

[tobydawq]

Temperature was ideal.

I'm a bit interested in air pressure fluctuations in relation to power outputs but there's never any data on that.

You're just dismissing the magnetism explanation?

 

[Red Rick]

You're just dismissing the magnetism explanation?

I should not. But we should also not discount local gravity fluctuations. Might be like a full 0.01%.

 

[tobydawq]

I should not. But we should also not discount local gravity fluctuations. Might be like a full 0.01%.

Well, the Earth is not a perfect sphere.

Riding in Norway is basically like riding on the Moon.

 

[LucVdB]

Not yesterday, but 3 days ago. At least that was what he told in the post race interview, but likely it was a tad exaggerated.

It's just a way of saying 'a lot more than normal' in (at least my dialect of) Dutch.
E.g. "I had to repeat it 10-15 times" could mean you actually repeated it 3 or 4 times.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Is it true that he stopped for a pee 10 to 15 times yesterday? That seems highly exagerated.

Yes, we didn't know it at the time, but he was simply marking his territory.

 

[Red Rick]

Yes, we didn't know it at the time, but he was simply marking his territory.

Remco wanting to be seen like a good boy so he starting to act like a Golden Retriever

 

[Andre]

do we dare say that Remco would have won this Giro? I'm serious.

 

[Big Doopie]

do we dare say that Remco would have won this Giro? I'm serious.

no. I don’t think so. Not yet.

unbelievable crappy race with mediocre contestants.

but I am one that still needs to see Remco climb well over several peaks in a day and over three weeks.

so…can he climb with the best?

Yes.

can he climb with the best over successive high mountains over three weeks?

not yet determined.

imo.

also he would be super isolated in the mountains. QS must invest in some climbing support.

however, I will say this. You put a 30 km ITT in the second week and that Torino stage and Remco has several minutes on the present podium going into the third week.

now Carapaz, Hindley and Landa need to really attack and cannot only match each other.

and even if Remco succumbs to these attacks and has a bad day. At least that’s drama!!

the giro has been UTTERLY devoid of drama and that is despite the fact that the top two are separated by 3 seconds!

GTs must return to being designed to suit more than one type of rider.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

no. I don’t think so. Not yet.

unbelievable crappy race with mediocre contestants.

but I am one that still needs to see Remco climb well over several peaks in a day and over three weeks.

so…can him climb with the best?

Yes.

can he climb with the best over successive high mountains over three weeks?

not yet determined.

imo.

also he would be super isolated in the mountains. QS must invest in some climbing support.

however, I will say this. You put a 30 km ITT in the second week and that Torino stage and Remco has several minutes on the present podium going into the third week.

now Carapaz, Hindley and Landa need to really attack and cannot only match each other.

and even if Remco succumbs to these attacks and has a bad day. At least that’s drama!!

the giro has been UTTERLY devoid of drama and that is despite the fact that the top two are separated by 3 seconds!

GTs must return to being designed to suit more than one type of rider.

I think QS has built a future team of climbers for Remco. Mauri should be a valuable resource for him in the future and he's had a good Giro. Van Wilder will also be a good lieutenant going forward as well. However, yes I would agree that QS needs more climbing depth to assit Remco.

It will be interesting to see who else is put on the QS Vuelta team.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think QS has built a future team of climbers for Remco. Mauri should be a valuable resource for him in the future and he's had a good Giro. Van Wilder will also be a good lieutenant going forward as well. However, yes I would agree that QS needs more climbing depth to assit Remco.

It will be interesting to see who else is put on the QS Vuelta team.

Mauri will be of use in hilly stages. Once the mountains come and Mauri is the one pacing you, chances are you are not going to be a GC contender.

 

[Salvarani]

A few months ago it was clear for this forum that he couldn't climb. Now he does this and people start speaking about winning Suisse and a top result at Vuelta.

It is a vicious cycle.

 

[Big Doopie]

A few months ago it was clear for this forum that he couldn't climb. Now he does this and people start speaking about winning Suisse and a top result at Vuelta.

to be fair, a few months ago there were those who were convinced (already?) that he couldn’t climb. Then there were those who hoped that his crash had not derailed his potential but started to have their doubts (like me). And there were those who stood fast in their faith (logic).

to me LBL and Norway puts him back on track with 2020 (in fact I would argue Itzulia was the start of that).

i don’t really think anyone (other than haters) can now say that he cannot climb.

however, to be fair, questions still remain regarding any succession of mountains and three weeks. Because we have never seen this version of Remco attempt that.

switzerland will tell us more.

and vuelta yet more.

 

[Red Rick]

Couldn't climb is a misrepresentation of "can't climb well enough to win a GT". There's a lot of good climbers who aren't good enough to win GTs. And I think that's in the air until he at least shows it in a WT stage race like Suisse or the Dauphine.

And yes, I realise in that sense Norway seems like an unfair test in that he has little to win and a lot to lose. But we'll see in Suisse.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

to be fair, a few months ago there were those who were convinced (already?) that he couldn’t climb. Then there were those who hoped that his crash had not derailed his potential but started to have their doubts (like me). And there were those who stood fast in their faith (logic).

Because you let Vaughters mess with your head!

It had nothing to do with faith, but with common sense. After such a trajectory with his injury, the physical issue itself, the relapse, the rehab, lost winter... it was one bumpy road towards the Giro and the 2021 season as a whole. You could see he was simply not consistent throughout the season. The day most people took as proof he couldn't cut it, i saw as proof he just needed more time: Zoncolan. It's not uncommon for riders after a severe injury and long rehab to go through a period of inconsistency and need an extra season to get back to their best shape. There were enough signs that the class was still there.

The question remains, just like in 2020, if he can do it day after day for 3 weeks. But i think we are indeed back where we were then.

 

[Skalman]

Maybe covered already but is there a chance he will go to the Tour if Ala is not back in condition?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Regarding what people say about Remco. In a Norwegian podcast before tour of Norway one of Ineos DS (Rasch) casually said that Remco struggles with efforts over 15 minutes. So Ineos maybe got surprised yesterday.