Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Yes, we didn't know it at the time, but he was simply marking his territory.

It’s a wolf thing.

 

[Red Rick]

Hilarious.
What difference is there between pushing 400 watts for an hour in an ITT / solo break or pushing it uphill, unless they thought Stavsro was at 3k altitude or that Evenepoel was still 68kg. lol
Guy got a silver WCC medal in a 65 minute ITT at the age of 19. For a team that is so advanced in the medical department, they didn't think him struggling last year had anything to do with the lack of base due to what had happened? DO THEY NOT READ THIS TOPIC???


They have stated repeatedly he will not be going to the Tour and stick to the original plan, even if Alaphilippe doesn't make it.

I think they just watched Evenepoel climb this year, and untnil Norway he had done decidedly better on sub 10 minute climbs than 15 minutes or longer.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think they just watched Evenepoel climb this year, and untnil Norway he had done decidedly better on sub 10 minute climbs than 15 minutes or longer.

Makes sense. Which is equally funny since before Itzulia he supposedly couldn't handle the short steep ones.

 

[Red Rick]

Makes sense. Which is equally funny since before Itzulia he supposedly couldn't handle the short steep ones.

Pretty sure that was the excuse when he would get dropped the steeper medium mountains.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Pretty sure that was the excuse when he would get dropped the steeper medium mountains.

In conclusion, 2020 never happened.

 

[Big Doopie]

Looks like QS work on his burst of speed has worked wonders after all.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Remco is a great rider but a arrogant and a dirty sportsman

 

[Big Doopie]

Remco is a great rider but a arrogant and a dirty sportsman

imagine if the roles were reversed…?

You and others would have totally taken Plapp’s side and complained that Remco was a sore loser raising his hand.

predictable.

note: if Baumann’s move yesterday was not considered illegal then this CERTAINLY was not. Lol!!

 

[Red Rick]

imagine if the roles were reversed…?

You and others would have totally taken Plapp’s side and complained that Remco was a sore loser raising his hand.

predictable.

note: if Baumann’s move yesterday was not considered illegal then this CERTAINLY was not. Lol!!

Bouwman took the normal lane though a curve and he just got there first. Schmid had to break because he took a dumb line and didn't even get to the apex first.

Evenepoel comes out of a corner into the final straight and then decides to deviate half the width of hte road because ofcourse he does.

 

[Big Doopie]

3 of 5 stages won on different terrain by different means.

very…dare I say it…merckxian!!

oh damn, I said it!!

actually Merckx did a lot of that even in secondary races, because he could.

 

[ppanther92]

Wait, Remco winning sprints now?

 

[kingjr]

Remco is a great rider but a arrogant and a dirty sportsman

There was more than enough space to the right.

Anyway, if Plapp had wanted to win the stage, maybe he shouldn't have made such a fool of himself when they were almost on Healy's wheel; he and Sheffield just started looking at each other and didn't know what to do. Hilarious stuff.

 

[Big Doopie]

There was more than enough space to the right.

bingo

And he gave up real fast and threw up his arm.

the kind of crap other riders would be absolutely ridiculed for.

but it was against big mean Remco, so all is good…

 

[KZD]

Too bad that he doesn't ride the Tour given the shape he is in and it would fit better than the Vuelta as he would have more time to prepare the World Championships

 

[Big Doopie]

Too bad that he doesn't ride the Tour given the shape he is in and it would fit better than the Vuelta as he would have more time to prepare the World Championships

hmm. I thought riders targeting the WC usually rode the Vuelta.

 

[Extinction]

I'd put him in the Tour without presure. Bar his accident he would have done the Giro in 2020 and the Tour last year, so why not get him back on schedule. It's not like doing the Tour versus doing the Vuelta would be more draining.

 

[Big Doopie]

I'd put him in the Tour without presure…

That would not even be in the realm of possibility, however.

 

[KZD]

hmm. I thought riders targeting the WC usually rode the Vuelta.

But not for GC unless we are talking about Valverde. The fact that the World Championships are on the other side of the world also doesn't help but at least in the TT he will always be a medal contender.

 

[Extinction]

That would not even be in the realm of possibility, however.

True, but he needs to get used to it. Let's see after ToS, if his form is really good then they'd be stupid not to. Plus it would do him well to experience the tts and climbs against the best.

 

[Big Doopie]

True, but he needs to get used to it. Let's see after ToS, if his form is really good then they'd be stupid not to. Plus it would do him well to experience the tts and climbs against the best.

i am of the mind that he needs to exorcise the bad experience of the Giro first. I don’t think hoping to do that at the TDF is the best idea. He needs to have a positive 3 week experience to build upon. The Vuelta provides the best possibility of that happening (and after all that’s what Pog did… ;-) ).

 

[Extinction]

i am of the mind that he needs to exorcise the bad experience of the Giro first. I don’t think hoping to do that at the TDF is the best idea. He needs to have a positive 3 week experience to build upon. The Vuelta provides the best possibility of that happening (and after all that’s what Pog did… ;-) ).

That's one way of looking at it, although he went into the Giro underprepared after a horrific accident. I thus don't see why, if he is in great shape and performs with the best in Switzerland, he should have to exorcise anything going into the Tour. If he is at the right level then just let him race.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Remco is a great rider but a arrogant and a dirty sportsman

No, that was Plapp acting a footballer, specifically any Man United defender when Ferguson was manager.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Temperature was ideal.

I'm a bit interested in air pressure fluctuations in relation to power outputs but there's never any data on that.

Low elevation power. They started almost from the sea level. If Remco had 6.5 w/kg then Vine Jay had 6.4 w/kg for 30+ minutes - Pogacar's level.
What was Evenepoel's VAM? It must have been close to 1850 for this wattage.

 

[Red Rick]

Low elevation power. They started almost from the sea level. If Remco had 6.5 w/kg then Vine Jay had 6.4 w/kg for 30+ minutes - Pogacar's level.
What was Evenepoel's VAM? It must have been close to 1850 for this wattage.

Elevation plays a part yes. Low elevation unipuerto climbs are by far the best for extreme W/kg efforts, and I do think elevation is too easily ignored when very high W/kg numbers come out. And this is arguably what makes Hindleys climb insane yesterday, as he did 6.5W/kg for almost 19 minutes at like 1700m average altitude.

Even then it's still a high value. It's not like some big GT unipuerto performances are much higher. I think Yates at Alpe di Mera, Roglic at Moncalvillo, and Roglic/Valverde at Acebo, as well as Valverde in Catalunya 2017 were all in similarish ranges.

Now while the number is raelly high it's hard to extrapolate. If you ever see the W/kg vs time graphs from CyclingGraphs or Lanterne Rouge you may note that whether a number is really high or not compared to others does not really seem to correlate with wether it was the winning or best performance of that day. Some mighty performances compared to the rest of the field can often look really weak on such graphs.

If you take Almeidas example here. Sega di Ala looks like one of his weaker climbs. Yet it's the only time he was the best of a group of WT GC riders. Meanwhile on Piancavallo, his best performance in this graph, he was hard dropped. I'm sure that even for frigging Nibali Piancavallo 2020 looks like a good performance.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Elevation plays a part yes. Low elevation unipuerto climbs are by far the best for extreme W/kg efforts, and I do think elevation is too easily ignored when very high W/kg numbers come out. And this is arguably what makes Hindleys climb insane yesterday, as he did 6.5W/kg for almost 19 minutes at like 1700m average altitude.

Even then it's still a high value. It's not like some big GT unipuerto performances are much higher. I think Yates at Alpe di Mera, Roglic at Moncalvillo, and Roglic/Valverde at Acebo, as well as Valverde in Catalunya 2017 were all in similarish ranges.

Now while the number is raelly high it's hard to extrapolate. If you ever see the W/kg vs time graphs from CyclingGraphs or Lanterne Rouge you may note that whether a number is really high or not compared to others does not really seem to correlate with wether it was the winning or best performance of that day. Some mighty performances compared to the rest of the field can often look really weak on such graphs.

If you take Almeidas example here. Sega di Ala looks like one of his weaker climbs. Yet it's the only time he was the best of a group of WT GC riders. Meanwhile on Piancavallo, his best performance in this graph, he was hard dropped. I'm sure that even for frigging Nibali Piancavallo 2020 looks like a good performance.

The only explanation for it is unreliable wattage calculation. They base them on some formulas (probably varying between sources) that don't take into account real conditions (wind, road quality, fatigue factors, weather conditions etc) and obviously in most cases nobody knows real wattages from riders' powermeters. VAM is better for comparisons (at least for similar gradients) but it also doesn't take into account the unknown factors.

I'm not questioning Evenepoel's performance but how the hell did Vine Jay (weighting almost 70 kg) achieve such a phenomenal wattage? (6.4 w/kg i.e. 440 watts: for 30+ minutes!). The guy should be a multiple GT winner by now.