Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[hayneplane]

30th win, 9th GC victory. Well done.

Now on to the TdS and La Vuelta, really curious to see how he stacks up against the very best in this form.

9 stage races of any level is seriously impressive at that age.

I wonder how many active riders under 30 have as many on their palmares. Beyond Pogacar I could not say any other names with certainty.

 

[Bonimenier]

9 stage races of any level is seriously impressive at that age.

I wonder how many active riders under 30 have as many on their palmares. Beyond Pogacar I could not say any other names with certainty.

Those 2 and Bernal are the only ones under 30 with at least 8.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1530921437627924480

 

[hayneplane]

Those 2 and Bernal are the only ones under 30 with at least 8.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1530921437627924480

Woah Demare has 8 stage race wins. I bet none of them are outside France or world tour level

 

[peterfin]

His win percentage (of GCs > 2.1) is also impressive: 43% (9/21). I believe only Pogacar does better of all active riders (10/21). For a fair comparison it's probably best to look at the first 30 GCs max or so but I believe that doesn't change the outcome. The average quality of his wins are of course less than Pogacar and a few others on the list but it is still an impressive stat for a 22 year old.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Woah Demare has 8 stage race wins. I bet none of them are outside France or world tour level

No WT wins (it ain't easy for a sprinter to win any of them, to be fair), but two of them were in Belgium.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Didn't watch the race still congrats for the win.

 

[Big Doopie]

...but it is still an impressive stat for a 22 year old.

a 22-year-old who basically lost a year.

 

[hayneplane]

No WT wins (it ain't easy for a sprinter to win any of them, to be fair), but two of them were in Belgium.

It does also tell me at least that there are a lot of 2/3 days sprint friendly stage races in France with a largely domestic field that a decent sprinter with a modicum of durability on modest hills can literally clean up.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It does also tell me at least that there are a lot of 2/3 days sprint friendly stage races in France with a largely domestic field that a decent sprinter with a modicum of durability on modest hills can literally clean up.

There are, especially if they can time trial decently on shorter distances, too. Laporte and Coquard have two each.

 

[Big Doopie]

Does he go back to altitude camp before June 12th (TDS)?

looks like stage 1 could be a trademark raid to get some time before the high mountains. However, with the bump up in competition he may reserve efforts to the stage with climbs above 2000m and the final TT. And what’s the team around him? Couldn’t help but notice that he had to position himself several times without any assistance from a teammate in Norway.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Does he go back to altitude camp before June 12th (TDS)?

looks like stage 1 could be a trademark raid to get some time before the high mountains. However, with the bump up in competition he may reserve efforts to the stage with climbs above 2000m and the final TT. And what’s the team around him? Couldn’t help but notice that he had to position himself several times without any assistance from a teammate in Norway.

On PCS, Van Wilder and Schmid are the only two names down for it so far BUT they also have van Wilder riding the Tour of Belgium. Doh.

Meanwhile Bagioli and Cavagna are at Dauphine so they won't be there.

It would be nice if Ala lent him Devenyns as a minder.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Interesting to see he's regressed as a climber as well as TT'er since joining UAE.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

On PCS, Van Wilder and Schmid are the only two names down for it so far BUT they also have van Wilder riding the Tour of Belgium. Doh.

Meanwhile Bagioli and Cavagna are at Dauphine so they won't be there.

It would be nice if Ala lent him Devenyns as a minder.

Van Wilder is at altitude after his crash in Liège. Depending on how his recovery/development goes, it will be either one or the other.

 

[greyclouds]

Interesting to see he's regressed as a climber as well as TT'er since joining UAE.

He has definitely been one notch below on this TT, but his climbing has been about the same, watts wise. Adding to the graph he also did 6.17 at Santa Cristina according to LR. It will be interesting to see where he is later in the year (Autumn classics and Vuelta, if he goes there).

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Woah Demare has 8 stage race wins. I bet none of them are outside France or world tour level

Wow, Boasson Hagen… One easily forgets he once was an absolutely world class rider.

Good that he is still around, but sad that he has become a little bit - how should I describe it -, a little bit slow.

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

years? GT winners win in their young 20s these days

Yes, Bernal and Pogacar did/do. But it remains to be seen whether this continues. Wiggins (with good results before on track) was 29 when he finished third in the Tour. He was 32 when he won his only Tour. Thomas was 32. Froome was 28 for his first win. Nibali was 29. So, Bernal and Pogacar are still exceptions.

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

Yes, that was the reason.

Well, this season we already see the difference in approach and result with last season.

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

So last year was the zeroth year after his fall?

"Netserk" What are you doing on this forum ? You only bring negative reactions, without providing any proof that you know anything about cycling

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

Woah Demare has 8 stage race wins. I bet none of them are outside France or world tour level

Yes, and his top victory in Milan-San Remo came after fraud (at the handle of a car the Cipressa up ).

 

[red_flanders]

Yes, Bernal and Pogacar did/do. But it remains to be seen whether this continues. Wiggins (with good results before on track) was 29 when he finished third in the Tour. He was 32 when he won his only Tour. Thomas was 32. Froome was 28 for his first win. Nibali was 29. So, Bernal and Pogacar are still exceptions.

Bernal and Pogačar are like the big champions before the EPO era, showing their quality at a young age, like Hinault, Merckx, LeMond, etc. Guys who sucked for years then magically came good in their very late 20’s are not the norm historically.

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

Interesting to see he's regressed as a climber as well as TT'er since joining UAE.

Regressing is maybe exagerated. But he certainly hasn't made any progress since he left Lefevere . That was perfectly predictable. Hopefully for him, at the end of his contract with UAE, he can reach a better level with a more suitable team. Because he may not be a top rider, but he is certainly one of the better subtoppers.

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

Bernal and Pogačar are like the big champions before the EPO era, showing their quality at a young age, like Hinault, Merckx, LeMond, etc. Guys who sucked for years then magically came good in their very late 20’s are not the norm historically.

We all known what happened inside the Sky-team. No doubt. But it's a bit too easy to put everything on doping. Wiggins had a strong carreer on track before. And Merckx ? He took doping since joung age. There were also doping suspicions at Hinault and Lemond.

 

[Extinction]

We all known what happened inside the Sky-team. No doubt. But it's a bit too easy to put everything on doping. Wiggins had a strong carreer on track before. And Merckx ? He took doping since joung age. There were also doping suspicions at Hinault and Lemond.

Once riders who were superior by mother nature had a chance to win big at a young age. Then this stopped being the case for a while, but has suddenly come back with a roar. It could be just a blessed generation or it could be that talent scouts and advanced methodologies starting at the junior level have reversed the trend. As in all things, however, it's probably a messure of both.

 

[Riek s]

Once riders who were superior by mother nature had a chance to win big at a young age. Then this stopped being the case for a while, but has suddenly come back with a roar. It could be just a blessed generation or it could be that talent scouts and advanced methodologies starting at the junior level have reversed the trend. As in all things, however, it's probably a messure of both.

These young guys would have competed just fine in the 2000s given their power numbers. edit: probably more of a clinic topic

 

[hayneplane]

Wow, Boasson Hagen… One easily forgets he once was an absolutely world class rider.

Good that he is still around, but sad that he has become a little bit - how should I describe it -, a little bit slow.

An excellent rider who sadly had the ability for all the classics but not the endurance as he had issues digesting the gels and fuel input needed to sustain 250kms/6 hour + hard one day races without running out of energy.