Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Big Doopie]

Merckx won the Super Prestige Pernod (velo d’or of his time) for the first time at age 24.

Remco has another season after this to beat him to that record as well. Not looking so good for the old grump.

 

[Cookster15]

Congrats to Remco Evenepoel. I knew he could climb with the best the only unanswered question for me was could he ride strong deep into the 3rd week of a grand tour. He answered that today.

Now the inevitable questions on how he would fare against Pogacar and Vingegaard. I say Remco can be mentioned in the same conversation.

 

[BigCoward]

Were did you find Bernal? Even without crash I wouldn't rate him that high.

He's won a tour and a giro, RE has won a vuelta. Its not even close at the minute

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Is Remco now a better Belgian than Wout?

Evenepol has more big wins in the last 5 months than Belgian Pozzato has in his whole career

 

[Ulle97]

I think in the next couple of years that the Tour will start introducing a route to suit Remco like what they did for Wiggins in 2012.

If they put two long TTs about 40km long and a series of modest mountain stages he'd probably beat Pogacar and Vingegaard.

If they had the following series of mountain finishes plus those 2 TTs, he'd waltz his way to a Tour......

Pyrenees
Cauterets
Ax-3 Domaines
Alps
Orcieres-Merlette
Pra-Loup
La Toussuire

Massif Central
Superbesse
PuyMary

Just an insight into my fantasy tour for Remco

 

[peterfin]

I hope he does the TdF next year even if this means giving up an opportunity to win the Giro. He will learn a lot battling with UAE and JV even if he falls short.

While I gave him a good chance winning this Vuelta, I am still amazed by his progress. His willingness to learn and improve is enormous but may be no surprise knowing his short history in cycling. Also, he showed a level of maturity that really surprised me. The way he controlled his GC is amazing, even during the bad moments he faced after his crash. He clearly knows when to go all in and when to save his energy. Pogacar, to the contrary, is ever playfull and lost energy battling with Van Aert for the title of "biggest freak of nature" during the first halve of the TdF and as such lost energy for the actual battles with Vingegaard later on.

I really hope this is just the beginning and we are witnessing something like they have in mens tennis where the three greatest of all time are all battling each other in the same era. It would be fantastic to watch. Our amazing sport deserves this.

 

[Riek s]

Remco best course of action is evaluate the parcour of the GTs and choose a classic/GT/classic or GT-GT combination that suits him the most.

(Would say the same for pog and co instead of putting all into the tour each time, since they can win classics as well)

 

[fox]

I hope he does the TdF next year even if this means giving up an opportunity to win the Giro. He will learn a lot battling with UAE and JV even if he falls short.

While I gave him a good chance winning this Vuelta, I am still amazed by his progress. His willingness to learn and improve is enormous but may be no surprise knowing his short history in cycling. Also, he showed a level of maturity that really surprised me. The way he controlled his GC is amazing, even during the bad moments he faced after his crash. He clearly knows when to go all in and when to save his energy. Pogacar, to the contrary, is ever playfull and lost energy battling with Van Aert for the title of "biggest freak of nature" during the first halve of the TdF and as such lost energy for the actual battles with Vingegaard later on.

I really hope this is just the beginning and we are witnessing something like they have in mens tennis where the three greatest of all time are all battling each other in the same era. It would be fantastic to watch. Our amazing sport deserves this.

I am sure that Pogacar will have learned a lot from this TDF. I think playtime is over. Remco still needs some progress to catch up with pogacar and Vingegaard but he is getting close. He is now as good as Vingegaard 2021. Evenepoel has the talent and willpower to get there.

 

[tobydawq]

He's won a tour and a giro, RE has won a vuelta. Its not even close at the minute

Isn't it, though? Bernal's Tour win wasn't exactly against a field similar to what we have seen this year and we didn't even get to watch his only truly great GT exploit.

 

[Extinction]

So now he has to choose between Classics and Grand Tours? What is this world comming to?

 

[Big Doopie]

He's won a tour and a giro, RE has won a vuelta. Its not even close at the minute

i would take Remco’s career right now over Bernal. And in terms of future potential for great victories, without a doubt.

Bernal is a great rider.

However he will never win a monument or a WC. Remco is likely to win many of these, plus more of everything else. Bernal was lucky to win the Tdf. There is no way he wins another GT unless there is virtually no ITT and top contenders are not racing. For instance, Bernal may have contended for the Giro this year. Tho Hindley was strong.

Main thing is can u see him winning anything else really?

 

[stekelegel]

If Bernal gets his level back up to where he was, I see him winning another giro or vuelta for sure. And top 3 in tour. He's done it before and is in one of the best teams allround for GT. And like some like to say about remco, Bernal might even get beter, he is still only 25. Still expect evenepoel to end up with the bigger career, much more allround then Bernal.

 

[houtdffan]

So now he has to choose between Classics and Grand Tours? What is this world comming to?

He showed this year he can win both just fine

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

If Bernal gets his level back up to where he was, I see him winning another giro or vuelta for sure. And top 3 in tour. He's done it before and is in one of the best teams allround for GT. And like some like to say about remco, Bernal might even get beter, he is still only 25. Still expect evenepoel to end up with the bigger career, much more allround then Bernal.

Hello friend...

All the talk about Remco and the tour is just promotional bs, aimed at desperate Belgian supporters and sponsors. Lefevre knows this. He will probably win some more classics and smaller tours but never ever a 3 week race.

As far as GT's go, that comment aged badly very quick.

 

[rm2021]

FYI:

MONASTERIO DE TENTUDIA (last 3.98 km, 7.61 %, 303 m)
Almeida: 9:24, 25.40 Kph, VAM 1934 m/h

MONASTERIO DE TENTUDIA (last 4.01 km, 7.61 %, 305 m) (est. = "½ drafting" / "65 kg standard")
25 Kph = 9:37, VAM 1903 m/h, 7.13 W/kg
24 Kph = 10:01, VAM 1827 m/h, 6.78 W/kg
23 Kph = 10:27, VAM 1751 m/h, 6.44 W/kg


from LR some other power points of Remco:

compared to:

On every point he is competitive with both of them.

Naichaca is not credible in his calculations. Ammatipyoraily is more credible. But kudos to remco, he showed that he can be a grand tour rider. He showed a great level, he's just 22 years old, he can improve more to be competitive at the the tour against pogi and vingegaard.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Hello friend...

As far as GT's go, that comment aged badly very quick.

F***ing kept the receipts and everything

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

F***ing kept the receipts and everything

Dude only had 6 posts, wasn't that hard to dig up ;-)

Naichaca is not credible in his calculations. Ammatipyoraily is more credible. But kudos to remco, he showed that he can be a grand tour rider. He showed a great level, he's just 22 years old, he can improve more to be competitive at the the tour against pogi and vingegaard.

There doesn't seem to be too much of a discrepancy between different calculations. But he is clearly biased in the way he presents his numbers.

He's won a tour and a giro, RE has won a vuelta. Its not even close at the minute

It's not close indeed, but Bernal can still improve, he's only 25 and maybe in time he can still catch up.
Seriously, let's wait and see if Bernal can get his old level back. And while i was kidding, i think a lot has changed since Bernal won the Tour (in a rather peculiar way, against teammate Thomas, Alaphilippe and Kruijswijk).

 

[Riek s]

Well we need to be fair for Bernal as well. Just like Remco he did have a lot of problems in his rather young career.
With his back issues, the crash... you can't really state he is 25 year old cyclist knowing he has been out for almost 2 year. The growing potential is different.
Same as we do with Remco, who was out and recovering from his heavy crash beginning of 2020 (beginning because covid *** the real start of the year) to end of 2021.

He is still a fantastic rider who excells in the mountains. He might not stand a chance against pog/ving on paper for now, it sstill needs to be ridden.

That said: will Bernal ever come back? his crash and back issues are very severe. I don't know if he can still ride at such a high level again for 3 weeks. I'm not even sure he knows what is still possible. I do hope he can come back though. And even if he can't win a tour anymore, winning multiple Giro/Vuelta GT is also an amazing feat. The tour isn't be all end all imho.

Honestly, and that is for Remco as well, I would find it a pity that all the 'top' GT riders focus on the tour, and the giro/vuelta is further devaluated. They are amazing GT, and with all the potential riding around (make up the reasons as you will) i rather have them spread over the different GT than just riding 2 weeks against each other..

 

[yaco]

Raging because she knows she's never gonna win unless she has an expensive surgery?

The Award is open to male and female cyclists.

 

[rghysens]

Merckx won the Super Prestige Pernod (velo d’or of his time) for the first time at age 24.

Superprestige Pernod was more like the uci ranking.
Just nitpicking...

 

[KZD]

i would take Remco’s career right now over Bernal. And in terms of future potential for great victories, without a doubt.

Bernal is a great rider.

However he will never win a monument or a WC. Remco is likely to win many of these, plus more of everything else. Bernal was lucky to win the Tdf. There is no way he wins another GT unless there is virtually no ITT and top contenders are not racing. For instance, Bernal may have contended for the Giro this year. Tho Hindley was strong.

Main thing is can u see him winning anything else really?

You are right on the Tour part, Bernal was lucky that Roglič was not there that year and with the emergence of Pogačar, Vingegård, Remco and possibly Ayuso it might have been actually his biggest chance ever even if he recovers his former self.

However if he fully recovers I can still see him winning another GT as long as the riders that I listed above are not there or the ones that are not at their best, possibly the Giro again as it has been doing routes with little TT lately. I also don't think that is outside the realms of possibility Bernal winning Lombardia as he was 3rd in 2019 so he has the engine for it

 

[Red Rick]

Naichaca is not credible in his calculations. Ammatipyoraily is more credible. But kudos to remco, he showed that he can be a grand tour rider. He showed a great level, he's just 22 years old, he can improve more to be competitive at the the tour against pogi and vingegaard.

The graphs are just so full of bad data points is fking dumb.

 

[Wyndbrook]

So, biggest favourite for the Velo d'Or now?

Arguably should be awarded to a certain Dutch woman.

 

[tobydawq]

Arguably should be awarded to a certain Dutch woman.

Why?

It doesn't make any sense to have both genders in the pool for the same award.

 

[Red Rick]

Why?

It doesn't make any sense to have both genders in the pool for the same award.

I think the precedent of nominating women and then never putting them in the top 3 no matter what is much worse than just keeping Velo d'Or a mens award.

I think they should just split it.