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rikvanlooy said:
I was surprised at how easy it was for Remco to win sprints at the end of Vuelta stages (almost always for minor places, but still). His second stage win was also an easy one. Mas was no match at all. I am no longer certain that Remco will never win in a sprint. He improved quite a lot.
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he won a sprint at the tour of Norway.

I think it depends completely on if he is the freshest at the end of a hard day.

had he come to the line against some at the Worlds he may have beaten them. Not Pog. Not VDP of course. But he can outkick riders who are cooked.
 
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Red Rick said:
Those aren't the type of sprints he'd be likely to win. It is one thing to beat some other climbers for a stage or Lombardia, but it's a whole other thing to beat the Flandrien and Sanremo type guys in a sprint.
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He may only have 2-3 others he has to beat though in those races. May be a climber who can hang with him on Ciepressa who he has to outsprint. If he goes on Ciepressa, only the best of climbers are going to be with him at the end
 
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For the really big fans, Evenepoel is bringing out photo album of 2022 called “REMCO mijn jaar” which translates to REMCO my year, as well as a Belgian reporter who wrote a book after the Vuelta called “Om nooit te vergeten - Hoe Remco de Vuelta won”, which translates to “Never forget - Hoe Remco won the Vuelta”.

I guess both versions will only be available in Dutch.
 
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houtdffan said:
He may only have 2-3 others he has to beat though in those races. May be a climber who can hang with him on Ciepressa who he has to outsprint. If he goes on Ciepressa, only the best of climbers are going to be with him at the end
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When is that scenario ever going to happen?

Which climber would be able to hang on to him while Van Aert and Van der Poel can't?
 
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Drafting is so big on Cipressa as well it's not really funny. For Evenepoel a shot at Sanremo would likely be a very late attack or an early sneak attack on the Poggio with a bad chase.

Contrary to other classics, the group is typically very big after the Cipressa adn a chase is still quite feasable. This year they absolutely nailed the Cipressa, with a tailwind, and then the 2nd group was only a few seconds behind at the base of the Poggio.
 
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Red Rick said:
Drafting is so big on Cipressa as well it's not really funny. For Evenepoel a shot at Sanremo would likely be a very late attack or an early sneak attack on the Poggio with a bad chase.

Contrary to other classics, the group is typically very big after the Cipressa adn a chase is still quite feasable. This year they absolutely nailed the Cipressa, with a tailwind, and then the 2nd group was only a few seconds behind at the base of the Poggio.
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It is not impossible and I would not be surprised if it happened one day.
 
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Salvarani said:
It is not impossible and I would not be surprised if it happened one day.
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Not impossible but even Pogacar In fantastic form couldn’t break the field on the Poggio and his team softened them up on the Cipressa. Remco has improved his descending massively but is not a superstar in this area like Nibali was to win solo and he will be too much marked out to sneak off on the flat like Stuyven.

His best bet would be an all or nothing move 30-40kms our on the capi that forces others to follow or risk the race not coming back to them like in the Worlds.
 
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houtdffan said:
and it was said Redoutte would never happen again
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Could only happen if it was raced hard from the start so that a lot of doms are already tired halfway. The race is too easy otherwise, the peloton would be too big and he would never get away far enough to hold a lead over the Poggio. But i'd like to see him try. I wonder what would happen if he were to attack full out at the foot of the Poggio and just keep going. Not wait for the sprint on the steepest section, but make everybody suffer before that. I think in a TT, nobody would beat him up a "climb" like that. If he has 5 seconds after the Poggio, he's gone.

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Remco attacked on the false flat at the end of Redoubte.
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You're actually helping his case imho.
 
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yaco said:
Remco attacked on the false flat at the end of Redoubte.
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yep. Where drafting played a significant role. Didn't matter in the end.

I'm talking about an all out attack at the base of Ciepressa, similar to his San Sabastien attack. Yes, Ciepressa is 6-7% not 11%. However, that is still enough to get a significant time gap on the doms, or force the other favorites to chase themselves, which would blow the doms out the back, resulting on Remco being chased by a small group, which little gets reduced further on Poggio
 
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houtdffan said:
yep. Where drafting played a significant role. Didn't matter in the end.

I'm talking about an all out attack at the base of Ciepressa, similar to his San Sabastien attack. Yes, Ciepressa is 6-7% not 11%. However, that is still enough to get a significant time gap on the doms, or force the other favorites to chase themselves, which would blow the doms out the back, resulting on Remco being chased by a small group, which little gets reduced further on Poggio
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The Cipressa is 6% for 500 meters at the start with an overall average of 4.1%. Readily available info. Not only would WVA not be dropped, I struggle to think of a rider better suited for that climb.
 
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red_flanders said:
The Cipressa is 6% for 500 meters at the start with an overall average of 4.1%. Readily available info. Not only would WVA not be dropped, I struggle to think of a rider better suited for that climb.
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first 1k is at 5.8%. The final 2 km is basically a false flat

That said, I still overstated the difficulty a bit. Its closer to a 5% average gradient over the first 4 km instead of 6-7
 
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MSR will not happen.

No one has to follow him on Cipressa.

There will be way too many full teams that can work between Cipressa and Poggio. He would get swamped and dropped on the Poggio.

And even if he made it to the top with a handful of seconds, no way he descends faster than the best. He is a better descender than before, but not balls to the wall good like you have to be. Besides, wouldn’t want him jeopardizing his career taking crazy risks for the worst monument of them all. Why would u?
 
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houtdffan said:
first 1k is at 5.8%. The final 2 km is basically a false flat

That said, I still overstated the difficulty a bit. Its closer to a 5% average gradient over the first 4 km instead of 6-7
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It would be almost impossible for remco to drop pogacar, van der poel or van aert on that climb. Even attacking by far, he would be followed by then. It would even be difficult for him to beat them on the sprint.
One day races like il lombardia, with more difficult climbs, are more suitable for remco.
 
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