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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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Who is he?
The one in the middle who became WC in Wollongong. Can't believe you don't know.
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won't matter how marked he is. He is on a different plane that everyone not named Pog

It is like comparing a type 2 civilization with our type 0.7-0.8 civilization. There is no comparison
It's not like that. Fortunately cycling is going through a good phase with riders like pogi, vingegaard, van der poel, remco, van aert, roglic, alaphillipe. There's a lot of great riders.
 
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It's not like that. Fortunately cycling is going through a good phase with riders like pogi, vingegaard, van der poel, remco, van aert, roglic, alaphillipe. There's a lot of great riders.

Only Pog is on the same plane as Remco. Those two are dominant at multiple disciplines throughout the year. Vingegaard can reach their peak, but he cannot sustain it through the year like they can
 
I need to see Remco against a peak Roglic. If he beat Roglic in the giro, I will believe he can potentially beat a peak Vingegaard or Pogacar

Unless things go catastrophically wrong, I cannot see Rog beating Remco. Rog, for all his wins, often has that 1 horrible, no good, very bad day in a GT where he loses far more time than he should (stage 20 of 2020 TDF, stage 6 last year's Vuelta, plus Contador-like crash outs)

If we ranked riders like civilizations, Rog would be a mid level 1 rider. Very good at multiple things throughout the season, but other than mountain sprinting, dominant at none (the other type of level 1 would be one who is dominant at multiple things but only at various parts of a season like Armstrong, Ullrich, etc)
 
I need to see Remco against a peak Roglic. If he beat Roglic in the giro, I will believe he can potentially beat a peak Vingegaard or Pogacar
How would you know if Roglic is in peak form if he were to get beaten? There will always be a reason and questions. He had surgery this winter, could only start training later, he was half a year off the bike, will only do one prep race, etc etc.
 
Can't we at least wait til Catalunya to start fighting about Rog vs Remco again.

Whoever loses claims only the Giro matters, as it should be.

Bonus points for Roglic wasn't there arguments if Evenepoel wins Liege again.
If Roglic beats Evenepoel in Catalunya, chances are at least one of them is royally f'ed and possibly both. It's Roglic first and only race before the Giro, since last season. If he beats Evenepoel coming in cold, that could mean Roglic is completely off the mark and won't make it to week 3 in the Giro without issues. Or it could mean Evenepoel is way behind on schedule if he gets dropped by a guy who's had surgery in the winter, had to start training late after not having raced over half a year. If Evenepoel finishes 2nd well ahead of the rest of the pack but well behind Roglic, i'd go with the former. However if Roglic is simply "in the mix" with the likes of Yates, Landa, Almeida and Evenepoel is clearly below that then i'd go with the latter.
 
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If Roglic beats Evenepoel in Catalunya, chances are at least one of them is royally f'ed and possibly both. It's Roglic first and only race before the Giro, since last season. If he beats Evenepoel coming in cold, that could mean Roglic is completely off the mark and won't make it to week 3 in the Giro without issues. Or it could mean Evenepoel is way behind on schedule if he gets dropped by a guy who's had surgery in the winter, had to start training late after not having raced over half a year. If Evenepoel finishes 2nd well ahead of the rest of the pack but well behind Roglic, i'd go with the former. However if Roglic is simply "in the mix" with the likes of Yates, Landa, Almeida and Evenepoel is clearly below that then i'd go with the latter.
Roglic doesn't really come in cold I think, judging from his interview earlier the plan is that he's in the mix for the win right away, apart from Kelderman somehow being the desginated leader on paper.

If they both get like top 5 they'll both at least be fine formwise for the Giro, unless one completely clobbers the race.
 
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Normally Roglic can hit a very good form almost straight after winter breaks. Lack of races is not the biggest problem, the most important thing is that he has large enough training volume by May. If he has he will be contending for victory as top2 favourite.

Peak Rog is very 2020.

Never going to happen again.

Apologies.

Peak Roglic: in 2021 from the Olympics TT to Milano-Torino. Initially the peak was planned for the Tour but instead of a titanic battle we saw Pogi killing the race after one week. In that year Primoz had a big 2 and half month break from races before the Tour and had freshness and monstrous form, which he showed despite his Tour setback.
 
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Normally Roglic can hit a very good form almost straight after winter breaks. Lack of races is not the biggest problem, the most important thing is that he has large enough training volume by May. If he has he will be contending for victory as top2 favourite.
This isn't a normal winter. He's had surgery, he has not raced for longer than in regular springs, he has had to postpone his wintertraining after surgery, and he has never started this late in the year, which means his opposition will be stronger than they would have been last month.
 
I am not thinking all that much about it just yet. I do watch some races to see where Pogi, Jonas and Remco currently are. In reality races so far not being the ultimate test just yet. Some mild warm up. Anyway. Roglič did throw us a bone. Hinting his schedule after the Giro is not yet set in stone. Beyond that March will likely prove to be great. Pogi vs Jonas and Rogla vs Remco. Then we should have some real answers and things to debate about.

Before Vuelta 2022 Roglič said Remco doesn't have to prove anything as he has proven himself already on all terrains. So rest assured Roglič will prepare himself optimally. He is healthy and therefore is able to do so. Less racing days shouldn't be such a problem as on average you get more out of training then racing. Preparing. And on top of that he is experienced enough to compensate for the lack of some lighter warm up races. For him Catalunya will serve that purpose.
 
This isn't a normal winter. He's had surgery, he has not raced for longer than in regular springs, he has had to postpone his wintertraining after surgery, and he has never started this late in the year, which means his opposition will be stronger than they would have been last month.
It could also mean Roglic hits a super high peak, because rested early on. Remember this is a guy who with only "two weeks" prep was coming into his own in the latter stages of the Vuelta when disaster struck. So either the Tour setback was overblown, or he can find top form rather quickly.
 
The other thing, which is not being taken into consideration here, is that Evenepoel is coming off a first season and at his age, after a stellar year after a devestating setback, which means his peak should be significantly higher bar further issues. Hence, he should be even better at the Giro. By contrast, Roglic at his age should only be capable of maintaining his best condition. Whether or not that means he can topple Remco is anyone's guess.
 
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It could also mean Roglic hits a super high peak, because rested early on. Remember this is a guy who with only "two weeks" prep was coming into his own in the latter stages of the Vuelta when disaster struck. So either the Tour setback was overblown, or he can find top form rather quickly.
I think he'll start very strong, and just like Remco in 2021, he won't be able to keep up that level for 3 weeks, and will lose minutes in the last week and will finish top 5.