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frisenfruitig

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Andy schleck said:
Jokes apart, the field was strong at LBL. Remco did a great ride. But this year he will be more marked when he does his attacks.
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He was already being marked then as well though. Some favorites were foolishly too far back and they were all sprinting to get back on his wheel but got demolished. Honestly if he has one of these days like in San Sebastian then it doesn't matter if he's being marked or not.
 
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Bonimenier

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tobydawq said:
Who is he?
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The one in the middle who became WC in Wollongong. Can't believe you don't know.
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houtdffan said:
won't matter how marked he is. He is on a different plane that everyone not named Pog

It is like comparing a type 2 civilization with our type 0.7-0.8 civilization. There is no comparison
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It's not like that. Fortunately cycling is going through a good phase with riders like pogi, vingegaard, van der poel, remco, van aert, roglic, alaphillipe. There's a lot of great riders.
 
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houtdffan

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Andy schleck said:
It's not like that. Fortunately cycling is going through a good phase with riders like pogi, vingegaard, van der poel, remco, van aert, roglic, alaphillipe. There's a lot of great riders.
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Only Pog is on the same plane as Remco. Those two are dominant at multiple disciplines throughout the year. Vingegaard can reach their peak, but he cannot sustain it through the year like they can
 
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houtdffan

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Peyroteo94 said:
I need to see Remco against a peak Roglic. If he beat Roglic in the giro, I will believe he can potentially beat a peak Vingegaard or Pogacar
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Unless things go catastrophically wrong, I cannot see Rog beating Remco. Rog, for all his wins, often has that 1 horrible, no good, very bad day in a GT where he loses far more time than he should (stage 20 of 2020 TDF, stage 6 last year's Vuelta, plus Contador-like crash outs)

If we ranked riders like civilizations, Rog would be a mid level 1 rider. Very good at multiple things throughout the season, but other than mountain sprinting, dominant at none (the other type of level 1 would be one who is dominant at multiple things but only at various parts of a season like Armstrong, Ullrich, etc)
 
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Logic-is-your-friend

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Peyroteo94 said:
I need to see Remco against a peak Roglic. If he beat Roglic in the giro, I will believe he can potentially beat a peak Vingegaard or Pogacar
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How would you know if Roglic is in peak form if he were to get beaten? There will always be a reason and questions. He had surgery this winter, could only start training later, he was half a year off the bike, will only do one prep race, etc etc.
 
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Can't we at least wait til Catalunya to start fighting about Rog vs Remco again.

Whoever loses claims only the Giro matters, as it should be.

Bonus points for Roglic wasn't there arguments if Evenepoel wins Liege again.
 
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Red Rick said:
Can't we at least wait til Catalunya to start fighting about Rog vs Remco again.

Whoever loses claims only the Giro matters, as it should be.

Bonus points for Roglic wasn't there arguments if Evenepoel wins Liege again.
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If Roglic beats Evenepoel in Catalunya, chances are at least one of them is royally f'ed and possibly both. It's Roglic first and only race before the Giro, since last season. If he beats Evenepoel coming in cold, that could mean Roglic is completely off the mark and won't make it to week 3 in the Giro without issues. Or it could mean Evenepoel is way behind on schedule if he gets dropped by a guy who's had surgery in the winter, had to start training late after not having raced over half a year. If Evenepoel finishes 2nd well ahead of the rest of the pack but well behind Roglic, i'd go with the former. However if Roglic is simply "in the mix" with the likes of Yates, Landa, Almeida and Evenepoel is clearly below that then i'd go with the latter.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
If Roglic beats Evenepoel in Catalunya, chances are at least one of them is royally f'ed and possibly both. It's Roglic first and only race before the Giro, since last season. If he beats Evenepoel coming in cold, that could mean Roglic is completely off the mark and won't make it to week 3 in the Giro without issues. Or it could mean Evenepoel is way behind on schedule if he gets dropped by a guy who's had surgery in the winter, had to start training late after not having raced over half a year. If Evenepoel finishes 2nd well ahead of the rest of the pack but well behind Roglic, i'd go with the former. However if Roglic is simply "in the mix" with the likes of Yates, Landa, Almeida and Evenepoel is clearly below that then i'd go with the latter.
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Roglic doesn't really come in cold I think, judging from his interview earlier the plan is that he's in the mix for the win right away, apart from Kelderman somehow being the desginated leader on paper.

If they both get like top 5 they'll both at least be fine formwise for the Giro, unless one completely clobbers the race.
 
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Normally Roglic can hit a very good form almost straight after winter breaks. Lack of races is not the biggest problem, the most important thing is that he has large enough training volume by May. If he has he will be contending for victory as top2 favourite.

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Peak Rog is very 2020.

Never going to happen again.

Apologies.
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Peak Roglic: in 2021 from the Olympics TT to Milano-Torino. Initially the peak was planned for the Tour but instead of a titanic battle we saw Pogi killing the race after one week. In that year Primoz had a big 2 and half month break from races before the Tour and had freshness and monstrous form, which he showed despite his Tour setback.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Normally Roglic can hit a very good form almost straight after winter breaks. Lack of races is not the biggest problem, the most important thing is that he has large enough training volume by May. If he has he will be contending for victory as top2 favourite.
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This isn't a normal winter. He's had surgery, he has not raced for longer than in regular springs, he has had to postpone his wintertraining after surgery, and he has never started this late in the year, which means his opposition will be stronger than they would have been last month.
 
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