Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Andy schleck]

Somebody heard something about remco's measured Cda?

 

[bNator]

This is tota

This is totally irrelevant, as mine was just an objective observation regarding how the victory was achieved, which was to belittle no one. However, it was without panache and I'll stick to this assessment, a way of riding that characterizes him. Like, for instance, when he caught and came around that Frenchman (am I wrong on the nationality?) in the Dauphine, depriving him of victory, when another win for Roglic wasn't necessary. Now he has every right to do so, but style wise I don't have to applaud it. This forum is for discussing and analyzing racing and riders, and certainly what I wrote in my post falls within those categories and wasn't "shitty".

If there was a general discussion on that topic and that was your position, it’s completely fine. However, that was your initial reaction to his victory, if I’m not mistaken, and that’s what triggers…

Do you mean Mäder in Paris-Nice or was there another occasion? Mäder was Swiss…

 

[Elos Anjos]

Accusations of lack of panache are ultimately the last resource that sour fans have towards the winner.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

To be fair, have you seen what happens when Roglic rides with too much panache? Take a look at stage 10 of the 2021 Vuelta or stage 16 last year.

 

[Big Doopie]

Guimard thinks Remco is 1-2 kgs above his best GT weight and he will pay for it.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Checking in to say that Remco has nothing to complain about. He was on the first plane.

 

[red_flanders]

Guimard thinks Remco is 1-2 kgs above his best GT weight and he will pay for it.

Wait…this is a thread to discuss Remco?

 

[RedheadDane]

Are you kidding, Mader was devastated, but chose diplomacy over an outburst of indignation.

Of course he was devastated in the moment of being passed. However, he acknowledged that that's just racing.

I'm sure that if Evenepoel ever caught a lone breakaway rider just before the finish, that rider's reaction would be much the same.

 

[Elos Anjos]

And accusations of sour fans, because the winner lacks panache, is only a distractionary tactic to draw attention away from an embarassing truth.

As long as they don't cheat, any rider will choose a non-panache win over a non-win. Especially if it's fans like you that determine what is class or not. Believe me, they don't care. But if you're happy on your own panache club championship, be my guest.

 

[Andre]

Tuesday's stage could be practically seen as the start of the second half of La Vuelta; instead of week two and three.

 

[Red Rick]

I know it's easy to go from one rider to the other even in a rider thread but please stick to Evenepoel in this one

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Guimard thinks Remco is 1-2 kgs above his best GT weight and he will pay for it.

We will see. Good for him that Vinge is under the weather: otherwise the race would be a featherweight fight and Fatco would be slayed by Skeletor and Captain Gravity combined. His chances to win are realistic but I have Rogla higher on my list.

 

[Jagartrott]

Guimard thinks Remco is 1-2 kgs above his best GT weight and he will pay for it.

Can you 'grow' into your racing weight in a GT? i.e. can you be 1 kg too heavy for the mountains at the start of a GT, but at ideal weight after 1-2 weeks?

 

[tobydawq]

Can you 'grow' into your racing weight in a GT? i.e. can you be 1 kg too heavy for the mountains at the start of a GT, but at ideal weight after 1-2 weeks?

I think that's difficult if you want to take in enough energy to be able to perform optimally.

But Bjarne Riis also think that Vingegaard is not lean enough, so they're equal.

Easy win for Roglic then.

 

[bNator]

I think that's difficult if you want to take in enough energy to be able to perform optimally.

But Bjarne Riis also think that Vingegaard is not lean enough, so they're equal.

Easy win for Roglic then.

What? Is this for real?

 

[RedheadDane]

Can you 'grow' into your racing weight in a GT? i.e. can you be 1 kg too heavy for the mountains at the start of a GT, but at ideal weight after 1-2 weeks?

I think most riders generally try to shrink into their racing weight.

 

[tobydawq]

What? Is this for real?

Yup...

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think that's difficult if you want to take in enough energy to be able to perform optimally.

But Bjarne Riis also think that Vingegaard is not lean enough, so they're equal.

Easy win for Roglic then.

Don't the riders usually say they lose weight during a GT, because it's quite difficult for them to eat enough calories?

 

[SafeBet]

Don't the riders usually say they lose weight during a GT, because it's quite difficult for them to eat enough calories?

Yes but, in most cases, that means they're not eating enough to replenish their glycogen reserves resulting in fatigue and loss of power, which offset the gain in w/kg.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Yes but, in most cases, that means they're not eating enough to replenish their glycogen reserves resulting in fatigue and loss of power, which offset the gain in w/kg.

Sure, it's of course about finding the right balance (and to avoid sickness and remember to eat and drink during the hard stages), but I don't think it's unheard of that a rider is purposely above his target weight at the start of a GT and then tries to gradually drop some of it throughout the race.

 

[Didinho]

Maybe he’s just carrying a couple of those JV extra 500gr bowel movements for this flat TT and he can finally take a sh*t after a week to fly up the mountains.

I also heard most of the riders lose some weight during a GT, but it won’t be 1-2kg if they are already very lean at the start.

 

[Ripper]

Can you 'grow' into your racing weight in a GT? i.e. can you be 1 kg too heavy for the mountains at the start of a GT, but at ideal weight after 1-2 weeks?

Lots of people have different physical reactions to 3 weeks of daily racing. Even though they could be getting the correct amount of calories, some gain weight and some lose weight. Metabolisms and hormones all get impacted

 

[Berniece]

Remco won't be extremely happy with the GC, but still decent. I would focus on Roglic if I was him, if it gets actually very hard, Vingegaard and Kuss will drop. But based on the performance of Roglic... It's going to be very difficult to win this Vuelta

 

[Oldermanish]

Remco will need to rely on aggression by Soler and the others behind Kuss as much as his own initiative. The challenge is doing that while Roglic waits for the slightest opportunity and JV defends.
We are definitely in the 2nd and very hard half of the Vuelta. Who can stand the constant pressure, stay upright and recover will be hard to beat. Remco's still a favorite; just not the favorite. The Older Guy and the "outlier" are the favorites.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Evenepoel needs to watch Roglic while hoping any big raid only features one of UAE, Jumbo, or Mas since he doesn’t have the team to control it.