I now see why Remco decided to attack and solo to the one with 50 km to go: he thought this thread hasn’t been active enough 
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That's because he wasn't a breakaway rider when he was good. He would go against the best.
What's the problem in comparing Remco with Dumoulin in some characteristics? I'm not diminishing Remco evenepoel or mocking him, it's the opposite. Besides that, Dumoulin was a great rider, i don't see the problem with the comparation in some aspects.
I already praised Remco a lot.
I was talking about his style on Grand tours, the climbing style of Remco, specially in long climbs is very similar with Dumoulin's style, and it's okay. Remco also likes to go in a constant pace like Dumoulin, we saw that many times in the vuelta 2022 on pico jano (and it worked, he won the vuelta 2022) , or xorret de cati vuelta 2023.
In the video you showed, we see a good final mountain sprint by Remco evenepoel, there's nothing that contradicts what i said. In terms of sprint i think Remco is more explosive than Dumoulin was.
If Remco and/or Pogi attack it will be to kill the rest. Everybody else will be floundering, or the attack shall be pointless.
I agree that Remco and Dumoulin don’t belong in the same conversation in classics - should be obvious - but Dumoulin was extremely good in GTs before he crashed in 2019. Froomedog wasn’t the only casualty of spring 2019. He looked pretty good thrashing Quintana, Nibali, and prime Landa here.
Edit. And I agree with @Froome that they do ride similarly in GTs so far. Best at ITTs, occasionally get dropped on climbs, capable of coming back and dropping the hammer, not as reliable as the pure GT riders like Vinge, Contador, etc. Again, so far in the case of Remco.
Not a clip of a breakaway.
<rhetorical>He never finished in a group on a climb? </rhetorical>
I don't think you're mocking him, not that I'd care if you were. I just find them to be vastly different riders, despite having some superficial similarities. I don't find their climbing styles similar either, TBH.
I'm not here to defend anyone, but I do like analysis of riders to be more accurate than what was suggested by the other guy/gal to whom I was responding. Cheers.
I don’t see the comparison between Dumoulin and Remco beside the fact that both of them prefer a steady hard pace when climbing. There stops the comparison
I appreciate that you got the one-day part of my point. And to be fair, I never said or suggested Dumoulin wasn't good in GT's, obviously he was. That's the style of riding where he was good.
In addition to their wildly different characteristics on most terrain, I don't find their climbing styles similar. Remco is much more explosive, has much more of an attacking mentality, is much stronger on steep climbs, and is much better on short climbs. Dumoulin was a rider who could ride a high tempo for a long time. Another thing Remco has at times struggled with (in terms of long cols).
They seem like wildly different riders to me. Frame, mentality, skillset, even climbing style. They both TT'd very well. So do a lot of riders.
My more detailed take above.
My bad, I thought it was a clip from the Vuelta last year.
Well, that's not entirely accurate. Evenepoel at heart is a tempo rider. He had to work hard to be as explosive as he is now. It's the single biggest improvement he made in his development. The guy was 2nd in a 50km+ WCC ITT when he was 19 years old. Relatively speaking, he only made minor advancements in that regard. But it doesn't change the fact that he is a killer at high tempo endurance at his core. This was actually already apparent when he was a footballer, where he was not explosive either. I have in the past also compared him to Cancellara, with the added benefit that he is a lot smaller, hence lighter, and thus also should be a great tempo climber
Evenepoel in the '22 Vuelta didn't attack on Pico Jano or Les Praeres. He simply rode the others off his wheel. Same in CSS'22 when he dropped Yates (and the rest) or in Norway when he dropped Vine, Johannessen and Plapp. Same thing when he got dropped on climbs, he usually needs to find his rhythm and then he can tempo his (usually too fat) ass up the climb. That's basically also what Dumoulin intended to do. Drop the others by upping the pace, or in case he was dropped himself, tempo his way up the climb in order to minimize losses.
I agree that he is more punchy than Dumoulin ever was, but he had to invest a lot of time and effort into it, it didn't come naturally. Evenepoel is also a much better classics rider than Dumoulin was, because he has a much bigger engine than Dumoulin had, relative to his size. Of Tom's 22 wins, 15 were ITT's, 2 prologues and 2 GC's. That leaves us with a few stages and 0 one day races. Longest race Dumoulin ever won, was 185km. That's the biggest difference between the two.
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Way too long, way too many hairs being split, and too many strawmen.
I’m sure someone will argue with you. 😂
"The idea was to do the Giro and Tour. Our trainer talked that out of him" - Patrick Lefevere on Remco Evenepoel's initial plans for 2024
For the first time in his career, Remco Evenepoel will take on the Tour de France in 2024. Had the Belgian got his way however, a return to the Giro d'Italia could also have been on the cards. "The id...
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Looks like Remco wanted to do Giro-Tour double in 2024.
'T iz not on youtube you need to be looking.
"The idea was to do the Giro and Tour. Our trainer talked that out of him" - Patrick Lefevere on Remco Evenepoel's initial plans for 2024
For the first time in his career, Remco Evenepoel will take on the Tour de France in 2024. Had the Belgian got his way however, a return to the Giro d'Italia could also have been on the cards. "The id...
Looks like Remco wanted to do Giro-Tour double in 2024.
wouldn't take much of a schedule change for Remco and Lefevre to get their way
skip Pais Vasco and the Dauphine and go to the giro. Ardennes would provide a good warm up
Very bad idea to do Giro-Tour before his first ever tour participation.
We, and he, need to see where he stacks up against the GC titans in the Tour after doing a full specific buildup for the event to get a sense of whether he can do it or should go all in on the one day classics and place less focus on the Tour for GC.
We, and he, need to see where he stacks up against the GC titans in the Tour after doing a full specific buildup for the event to get a sense of whether he can do it or should go all in on the one day classics and place less focus on the Tour for GC.
he's already going all in on the classics this year by doing the Ardennes triple
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