Why not? Those are exceptional performances that do not require GT level recovery and the ability to dig deep into well over and over and over again.
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Can you provide a link to this scientific literature? We already know Evenepoel can time trial so then his leg lengths or body dimensions are a moot point to his climbing potential? So his climbing potential then becomes a function of his weight?
Shorter arms and legs should result in a significantly lower CdA with no significant loss in power, and iirc leg length is observed to be much more closely related to CdA than height. For climbing performance there would be some logic to it, in that longer arms/legs should result in improved cooling, but extremely hard to believe the TT one.Height doesn't say everything about body dimensions though. I think Evenepoel has relatively short arms and legs, which in scientific literature is inversely associated with climbing and time trialing performance IIRC. This is a weak association mind you. And I don't precisely know why that would be.
Based on what I'm reading he should take the time to grow longer femurs.The problem with Evenepoel is that he rests too little. He came out of the training period for Itzulia in good shape. So early April. With hardly any rest he moved on to Liege . After that, he should have rested for at least two, maybe three weeks, and not competing in Norway. Instead, build up very slowly to Switzerland. Now he came from Norway tired, and started with a declining form in Switzerland.
Who thinks he's learned his lesson ? Not at all. He declared to rest only one week after Switzerland. OK, he won't do Burgos , but he will do San Sebastian. He will probably not be fresh enough for the Vuelta again, not for the second half anyway. And certainly not for the world championships.
Yes, early 2020. So during Algarve - Burgos - Poland from what i recall from interviews back then. At the start of the Giro he was supposedly around 60kg. One day he said below 60, the next day he said 60.5kg.So was he ever 61Kg or is this Wiki mischief?
Maybe he’s just a young rider who is inconsistent. Not sure these unequivocal declarations about what he should be doing are warranted.The problem with Evenepoel is that he rests too little. He came out of the training period for Itzulia in good shape. So early April. With hardly any rest he moved on to Liege . After that, he should have rested for at least two, maybe three weeks, and not competing in Norway. Instead, build up very slowly to Switzerland. Now he came from Norway tired, and started with a declining form in Switzerland.
Who thinks he's learned his lesson ? Not at all. He declared to rest only one week after Switzerland. OK, he won't do Burgos , but he will do San Sebastian. He will probably not be fresh enough for the Vuelta again, not for the second half anyway. And certainly not for the world championships.
...Not sure these unequivocal declarations about what he should be doing are warranted.
Watts per kilo is king for climbing
But doesn't the heavier rider need to generate more watts to keep up with the lighter rider, at which point bike mass is an extra handicap?To be even more precise it's watts/(body_mass + 7 kg) on steep slopes. Bike mass changes things: from two cyclists generating the same w/kg the heavier will climb faster (due to additional power independent of body mass that is needed to lift a bike). To achieve a VAM of 1800 m/h a 60-kilo cyclist needs about 5.5 w/kg to overcome gravity alone while a 70-kilo cyclist needs 5.4 w/kg for that. For most climbs additional 0.8-1.2 w/kg (depending on gradient) is needed to overcome mainly rolling resistance and aero drag (which is less than linearly mass-dependent and also favours more powerful cyclist esp. on shallower slopes).
You wrote what I thought this morningUnbelievable. I don't think Jesus got spoke about this much in the bible.
Unbelievable. I don't think Jesus got spoke about this much in the bible.
But doesn't the heavier rider need to generate more watts to keep up with the lighter rider, at which point bike mass is an extra handicap?
To add to that: the RE thread is perhaps exemplary what went wrong with the Gospel on JC.
The apostles essentially overpromised and underdelivered.
..Some folks still waiting for over 2000 yrs for the dude to deliver
+100Awful descending skill, despite holding the record for fastest ascent
But to win TTs means you have the power. If he weighs 61Kg that means he should be able to climb with the best and he has shown that albeit inconsistently.
Unbelievable. I don't think Jesus got spoke about this much in the bible.
And should we take this to the clinic?
Supernatural powers are not on the "Prohibited List".
I was not aware of this, so I can only take your word for it. But I still don't see why at the same w/kg a heavier rider pushes the 7 kg bike faster. You'll have to explain the physics of that.Obviously the heavier rider needs more watts but I'm saying that from two riders generating the same w/kg the heavier will be faster (therefore pure w/kg is not the only thing that matters uphill). That's why super strong climbers are often around 65 kg instead of 55 kg. Bike mass changes things. A 65-kilo guy generating 390 w will be faster uphill than a 60-kilo guy generating 360 watts (both have 6 w/kg).
W/kg are calculated without the bike weight.I was not aware of this, so I can only take your word for it. But I still don't see why at the same w/kg a heavier rider pushes the 7 kg bike faster. You'll have to explain the physics of that.
I was not aware of this, so I can only take your word for it. But I still don't see why at the same w/kg a heavier rider pushes the 7 kg bike faster. You'll have to explain the physics of that.
It's all just Greek to me.try this formula (vertical speed is the quotient of power and resistive force (gravity in this case)):
VAM [m/h] = 3600 * power / [9.81 * (mass+7)]
for two cyclists with the same w/kg:
This will give you overestimated values (due to other forces I mentioned) but for steep slopes the relative difference is similar to this.
- 70 kg and 420 w
- 60 kg and 360 w