Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Edit: I didn't exclude classics at all. Overall Pogacar is clearly better. If I did a quick research, Pogacar would probably beat MVP in 70% of WT classics. But one day, I will do that just to kill your wishful thinking once again.

Cadel Evans
Omloop
Strade
San remo
De Panne
E3
G-W
Dwaars
RVV
Roubaix
Amstel
Fleche
Lbl
Frankfurt
Copenhagen
San Sebastian
Hamburg
Bretagne
Quebec
Montreal
Lombardia

That’s 21 races, meaning Pogacar would need to be clearly favoured in 15 to reach 70%. In which of these races do you favour MVDP?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yeah he rides more races doesn’t make him better

What makes Pogacar better is that he can compete in more variety of classics and all five monuments, MVDP cannot do this.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Tirreno-Adriatico

Last time i checked, Tirreno-Adriatico wasnt a WT Classic?

 

[Berniece]

What makes Pogacar better is that he can compete in more variety of classics and all five monuments, MVDP cannot do this.

Pogacar can’t win completely flat classics, MVDP can. People just don’t think of those and assume there’s only cobbled classics and hilly ones

 

[AmRacer]

Last time i checked, Tirreno-Adriatico wasnt a WT Classic?

Wrong race, I was thinking about Milano Torino. But that's maybe not World Tour

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Wrong race, I was thinking about Milano Torino. But that's maybe not World Tour

Not WT

 

[Peyroteo94]

Cadel Evans
Omloop
Strade
San remo
De Panne
E3
G-W
Dwaars
RVV
Roubaix
Amstel
Fleche
Lbl
Frankfurt
Copenhagen
San Sebastian
Hamburg
Bretagne
Quebec
Montreal
Lombardia

That’s 21 races, meaning Pogacar would need to be clearly favoured in 15 to reach 70%. In which of these races do you favour MVDP?

Taking a quick look since we are talking about winning the race while beating the other (it doesn't matter if Pogacar beats MVP if he can't win the classic. I think we both agree on this).

If they both peaked for each race and a good startlist was in the race:

Cadel Evans
De Panne
Copenhagen
Hamburg

These races neither of them would win. Sprint classics.

Omloop
MSR
E3
GW
Dwaars
PR
Quebec

I would favor MVP

SB
AGR
FW
LBL
Frankfurt
CSS
Bretagne
Montreal
GdL

In 16 races, Pogacar can actually win 9 races, MVP 7 races.

56% - Pogacar

44% - MVP

I didn't add the WC but this year, Pogacar is more favorite to win it.
Feel free to disagree. Even if Bretagne is the only race where I wasn't so sure but the last 70 km are hard (250 km race) and UAE would probably cook MVP before Pogacar's attack.

 

[Berniece]

Taking a quick look since we are talking about winning the race while beating the other (it doesn't matter if Pogacar beats MVP if he can't win the classic. I think we both agree on this).

If they both peaked for each race and a good startlist was in the race:

Cadel Evans
De Panne
Copenhagen
Hamburg

These races neither of them would win. Sprint classics.

Omloop
MSR
E3
GW
Dwaars
PR
Quebec

I would favor MVP

SB
AGR
FW
LBL
Frankfurt
CSS
Bretagne
Montreal
GdL

In 16 races, Pogacar can actually win 9 races, MVP 7 races.

56% - Pogacar

44% - MVP

I didn't add the WC but this year, Pogacar is more favorite to win it.
Feel free to disagree. Even if Bretagne is the only race where I wasn't so sure but the last 70 km are hard (250 km race) and UAE would probably cook MVP before Pogacar's attack.

Well that's where you are wrong, MVDP could win those sprint classics.

 

[AmRacer]

Well that's where you are wrong, MVDP could win those sprint classics.

Not if there's a good sprint field

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Even Pogačar could win CEGORR, there‘s 1.1k@ 8.5% at 10k from the line. I would favor Van der Poel. Mauro Schmid won this „sprint classic“ this year.
Cyclassics Hamburg would be hard for them to win but if there‘s a crash and some chaos, the sprint isn‘t inevitable, as seen in 2022. MVDP and Pogačar might neutralise each other though.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Even Pogačar could win CEGORR, there‘s 1.1k@ 8.5% at 10k from the line. I would favor Van der Poel. Mauro Schmid won this „sprint classic“ this year.
Cyclassics Hamburg would be hard for them to win but if there‘s a crash and some chaos, the sprint isn‘t inevitable, as seen in 2022. MVDP and Pogačar might neutralise each other though.

If there is a crash or something out of the box, anyone can win. Ganna won a flat sprint in Volta ao Algarve 2025 but they cancelled the stage.

 

[Berniece]

At least he's motivated, would be good to see him take at least 1 decent win the rest of the season. WC ITT, WC RR, UEC RR or Lombardia.

 

[Charlyghoul]

The simple truth is that Pogacar, Roglic and Van der Poel are generational talents.
At the moment , we have to conclude that Remco is not

 

[Ulle97]

Wouldn't be close. Pog would easily be able to go long range on the stages to Cauterets and Pra Loup, and Markstein is plenty hard to make kinda big differences in the final. Arcalis is not joke either if you go hard from the bottom has UAE and Pog has done recently. That is if Pogacar even needs to go long range which I don't think he'd need to even do, cause what is he losing in the time trials? 2 or 3 minutes? Maybe even less.

Remco would need more time trials and lesser mountain stages than these

Basically, he has no hope so because that was as easy a set of mountains as you could reasonably hope for.

Plus, I threw in over 100km of ITT.

 

[TrekCyclist]

At his best his the third best climber in the world

on which kind of mountains / hills is that?

 

[Berniece]

The simple truth is that Pogacar, Roglic and Van der Poel are generational talents.
At the moment , we have to conclude that Remco is not

Lol

 

[Charlyghoul]

Lol

Maybe in time trialling, I think as a pure engine we can say he is a generational talent. But that’s all.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

on which kind of mountains / hills is that?

The one you will die on?

 

[Berniece]

Maybe in time trialling, I think as a pure engine we can say he is a generational talent. But that’s all.

Sure, they way he wins races and how many he has won and at what age combined with the setbacks doesn't sound like generational talent at all.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Sure, they way he wins races and how many he has won and at what age combined with the setbacks doesn't sound like generational talent at all.

But he isn’t near Pog or vdp or Roglic yet, how many generational talents is allowed?
As I said, in time trials yes he is. He probably will be overall by the time his career finishes. Not yet. As a junior yes , great.

 

[Andre]

Yeah, time. Mathieu is a few years older so he should decline first.

some riders get better with age

 

[AmRacer]

some riders get better with age

Up to a certain age...Anyway, when Remcon is 30 Mathieu may have retired

 

[Karl Merckx]

on which kind of mountains / hills is that?

Have you heard of plateau de beille ?

 

[rghysens]

At least he's motivated, would be good to see him take at least 1 decent win the rest of the season. WC ITT, WC RR, UEC RR or Lombardia.

Given the course, and the fact that Pog is likely to participatein all 4 of them, I can't see him winning one of them.

 

[Berniece]

But he isn’t near Pog or vdp or Roglic yet, how many generational talents is allowed?
As I said, in time trials yes he is. He probably will be overall by the time his career finishes. Not yet. As a junior yes , great.

Roglic is 36, and MVDP is 30. Evenepoel is 25.