The revenge of Rasmussen ...

[hrotha]

Hm, if I had to pick one rider who might have been clean during those years, it would have been Niermann. But oh well, at least he's honest.

Why? He was a solid climber and time-trialist during those years. Afterwards, not so much.

 

[maltiv]

Hm, if I had to pick one rider who might have been clean during those years, it would have been Niermann. But oh well, at least he's honest.

Between 2000 and 2003, when he said he doped, he was 24th and 28th in TDF and 22nd in the Giro. Hasn't been close to that level since, so yeah, it seems plausible that he stopped in 2003.

 

[theyoungest]

Between 2000 and 2003, when he said he doped, he was 24th and 28th in TDF and 22nd in the Giro. Hasn't been close to that level since, so yeah, it seems plausible that he stopped in 2003.

He's been a pure domestique for 10 years... literally never went for his own chance.

The fact that he never got close to these results anymore doesn't mean much in that context.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Hm, if I had to pick one rider who might have been clean during those years, it would have been Niermann. But oh well, at least he's honest.

honest or simply wanting to help clean up some of the mess he was part of making himself. Regardless I welcome his confession.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

But he's probably one of the few you'd actually believe stopped doping when he says he did.

agree, unlike several other confessors who stated they stopped doping in 2006 or so and then started to clock up serious results.

 

[hrotha]

He's been a pure domestique for 10 years... literally never went for his own chance.

The fact that he never got close to these results anymore doesn't mean much in that context.

Yeah but a domestique with the potential he had shown as a youngster would presumably have been much stronger. He'd have been a good asset in the mountains rather than a general wind-stopper.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Between 2000 and 2003, when he said he doped, he was 24th and 28th in TDF and 22nd in the Giro. Hasn't been close to that level since, so yeah, it seems plausible that he stopped in 2003.

Born 1975, riding for Blanco which will run out of cash in 2013 and with almost zero personal results in the last decade, I struggle to see a motive for lying during his confession.

 

[hrotha]

Born 1975, riding for Blanco which will run out of cash in 2013 and with almost zero personal results in the last decade, I struggle to see a motive for lying during his confession.

Actually he retired at the end of 2012.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Actually he retired at the end of 2012.

so a man with absolutely nothing to lose. Could be a Guinea pig. Lets see if it spurs other to come forward.

 

[Mr.38%]

Grischa Niermann has admitted he used EPO between 2000 and 2003, he'll give a more complete confession to the anti-doping authorities. He'll be suspended for 6 months from februari 15.

Grischa commented on Zabel/Aldag back in 2007: http://grischa-niermann.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=37

He is now official coach for Blanco/Rabo U23.

 

[GazelleFormula]

so a man with absolutely nothing to lose. Could be a Guinea pig. Lets see if it spurs other to come forward.

Not true. He has a job at the former Rabo development team (now managed by the Dutch cycling union). So he just got suspended for 6 months.

 

[hrotha]

Grischa commented on Zabel/Aldag back in 2007: http://grischa-niermann.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=37

He is now official coach for Blanco/Rabo U23.

My, that reads like it was written in 2013.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

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He is now official coach for Blanco/Rabo U23.

something to lose after all. Changes the situation. Delicate.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

My, that reads like it was written in 2013.

yep, on the sideline now, and I don't think he belongs as a coach in cycling.

 

[sniper]

Grischa commented on Zabel/Aldag back in 2007: http://grischa-niermann.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=37

He is now official coach for Blanco/Rabo U23.

legendary.
post-festina, post-puerto, post-usps.
one tape fits all.

 

[Mr.38%]

As a matter of fact, I think Grischa belongs in Cycling. Grischa, who I happend to have trained with quite a couple of times, is a good guy and surely someone to teach riders of any age and class a lot.

When my kids are in school, I want somebody to tell them about drugs. I want this guy to be an ex-junkie. I want my kids to be confronted with the truth. I want my kids to ask questions, and be given answers that may be disturbing. I want to have the chance to talk to my kids openly. I don't want my kids to take drugs (and if they do, at least do it responsibly because yes - alcohol, cigarettes & painkillers are drugs, too). My wife thinks the same.

Go Grischa!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

As a matter of fact, I think Grischa belongs in Cycling. Grischa, who I happend to have trained with quite a couple of times, is a good guy and surely someone to teach riders of any age and class a lot.

When my kids are in school, I want somebody to tell them about drugs. I want this guy to be an ex-junkie. I want my kids to be confronted with the truth. I want my kids to ask questions, and be given answers that may be disturbing. I want to have the chance to talk to my kids openly. I don't want my kids to take drugs (and if they do, at least do it responsibly because yes - alcohol, cigarettes & painkillers are drugs, too). My wife thinks the same.

Go Grischa!

your point is very valid, which is one of the reasons why a global T&R is difficult to implement without significant resources. Anyway nothing is perfect, so I continue to support the beachhead approach in Oranjeland.

 

[Franklin]

When my kids are in school, I want somebody to tell them about drugs. I want this guy to be an ex-junkie. I want my kids to be confronted with the truth. I want my kids to ask questions, and be given answers that may be disturbing. I want to have the chance to talk to my kids openly. I don't want my kids to take drugs (and if they do, at least do it responsibly because yes - alcohol, cigarettes & painkillers are drugs, too).

Opinion: I understand that position and certainly think the real issue are the pushers. If anything at least a rider gambles with his own health and career. The pushers stay out of sight.

So morally I certainly see some difference.

 

[Leonardus]

As a matter of fact, I think Grischa belongs in Cycling. Grischa, who I happend to have trained with quite a couple of times, is a good guy and surely someone to teach riders of any age and class a lot.

When my kids are in school, I want somebody to tell them about drugs. I want this guy to be an ex-junkie. I want my kids to be confronted with the truth. I want my kids to ask questions, and be given answers that may be disturbing. I want to have the chance to talk to my kids openly. I don't want my kids to take drugs (and if they do, at least do it responsibly because yes - alcohol, cigarettes & painkillers are drugs, too). My wife thinks the same.

Go Grischa!

I agree. Don't waste the bad experiences and the lessons these men have learned but let them educate the next generation so they can learn from it.

But now we know even a guy like Grischa took EPO at Rabo, like Lotz and Nelissen, how long can E. Dekker and Boogerd keep denying now they didn't dope?

 

[Mr.38%]

Opinion: I understand that position and certainly think the real issue are the pushers. If anything at least a rider gambles with his own health and career. The pushers stay out of sight.

So morally I certainly see some difference.

The pushers will be exposed when riders openly confess to authorities. And all those dots into other sports will finally be connected.

 

[del1962]

As a matter of fact, I think Grischa belongs in Cycling. Grischa, who I happend to have trained with quite a couple of times, is a good guy and surely someone to teach riders of any age and class a lot.

When my kids are in school, I want somebody to tell them about drugs. I want this guy to be an ex-junkie. I want my kids to be confronted with the truth. I want my kids to ask questions, and be given answers that may be disturbing. I want to have the chance to talk to my kids openly. I don't want my kids to take drugs (and if they do, at least do it responsibly because yes - alcohol, cigarettes & painkillers are drugs, too). My wife thinks the same.

Go Grischa!

The junkie ends up on skid row, the sports doper a millionaire though

 

[Franklin]

The sports doper a millionaire though

Uhm no. The select few perhaps. But the also rans who leave the sport addicted aren't so lucky.

 

[del1962]

Uhm no. The select few perhaps. But the also rans who leave the sport addicted aren't so lucky.

Can you get addicted to EPO?

 

[Franklin]

Can you get addicted to EPO?

Nope, but other stuff like HGH, Steroids and Amphetamine are certainly addictive. Also (though that were the really dark years), recreational drug use seems to have been a big factor in cycling in the 1995-2005 era.

In other sports recreative drug use is still an issue (or more so).

 

[del1962]

Nope, but other stuff like HGH, Steroids and Amphetamine are certainly addictive. Also (though that were the really dark years), recreational drug use seems to have been a big factor in cycling in the 1995-2005 era.

In other sports recreative drug use is still an issue (or more so).

Recreataniol drugs seem more of a problem with footballers, anyway Steroids and Amphetemines we are told are addictive, however it is EPO that was the game changer. And EPO users have done well for themselves out of cycling, even the ones who were caught, which is really my original point, perhaps it is the likes of Bassons that should be educating, not former EPO users.