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[Granville57]

Wait.

What just happened?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon 5 View Post
"Take yourself out of the deeply personal battles and look at the broader picture. You don't have to be paid to make this point. What has happened to you?"

Quote:
Originally posted by BroDeal
"Race Radio turned into Mullah Radio. Anyone who does not bow down to his twitter feed five times a day is a heretic and subject to stoning by his followers."



Now STOP it you two..
make nice...

 

[sittingbison]

Defcon 5 got nuked

 

[the sceptic]

Wait.

What just happened?

the vortex is arriving, some posts got lost in the abyss.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You throw in the smear that a member of this forum is being paid. Is that in the rules? It shows that you've perhaps been too close to this issue for too long. Do you accuse colleagues of wearing a wire?

Anyhow, I have seen The Armstrong Lie and I have seen no such scene where George says that about Frankie, so perhaps there are two versions? It's an honest question? And why was no one complaining about it when the film came out? Seems odd.

You string things together and make them sound very conspiratorial, but what if this is just George's experience? Remember it's only been a year since these guys have been able to talk openly about their experience, and the guy can still see Betsy waging war even though Lance has lost all his titles and is facing huge bills. Why would he NOT want to talk about it if it's true to set the record straight? It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. There is no mileage in saying negative things about the Andreu's if you want a good press - look at vaughter's who is going around sucking up to them after what they did to him. Hincapie likely knows of the political cost to himself - that shows you there must be something in it. If it's true that Frankie was just one of the guys and kept a lot back from Betsy, like I think most people in this forum kinda suspect is true anyway, should George be allowed to mention it at all? Why not?

Let's be honest- this picture that Betsy likes to paint of Frankie, as this pu$$y who was forced to dope one time in 99. Does anyone really believe that? It doesn't make Frankie a bad person at all - that is really the point. It wasn't just bad guys like Lance. Everybody was doing it. Hincapie has no history of going around smearing people and managed to himself out of all of Lance's battles during the glory years. He doesn't seem the type to make this all up, and why now, just at the time when everybody is making up with everybody? Makes no sense. It's a conspiracy to far.

Remember Frankie never waged this campaign against Lance. It's always been Betsy and she is still after him. It's her that has the agenda, not Hincapie.

The blue - thats hilarious.

Anyway, from The Armstrong Lie, here is the transcript of what Hincapie says:

"Frankie was my mentor, and the first time I ever saw dope was in Frankies refrigerator. And thats when I realised, 'Well, fúck I have to dope'. So for me that really bothered me that all of a sudden he changed and he wasn't racing anymore and said 'Well, Lance is doping'. Well I mean, you taught me how to dope. How can you stand by when you know that you did what you did?
Lance never sat there and said, 'You're gonna dope or you're out or I'm firing you'. Thats just not true and they made it seem like that was the case"

From this video - http://youtu.be/ccSP-ERpY2E?t=1h24m13s

 

[Granville57]

More than just Defcon 5

Run for cover, mew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mewmewmew13]

I just felt like I was SWIRLING

SWIRLING


SWIRLING……..



aaaahhhh…….

 

[BroDeal]

Hmmm, what is a pusher?
http://thesaurus.com/browse/drug+supplier

A pusher is a supplier of drugs. In his recent revisionist history George claimed Frankie was his supplier. You are welcome to pretend George did not say that but he did. Not just supplied him but taught him how to use them.

Funny how in his recent interviews he never mentions Ferrari but he goes straight to Frankie. Alex, Reed, Kristen......straight to Frankie.

His agenda is as transparent as yours

Yeah, telling someone which pharmacy carries a drug is the very definition of a pusher. Why do you lie?

Interesting how SB edits the part of my post that mocks RR for a ridiculous claim that I am taking orders, the same claim he has made for years against anyone who opposes him, but SB leaves the claim untouched. He also deletes BPC's entire post that points out just how stupid such a claim is when made against someone with my years of posting history. But, hey, maybe I am a Armstrong sleeper agent. The plan was to post for years against Armstrong until the right moment when I could spring into action to malign the Andreus. That RR decided at the same time to lie about Hincapie is a coincidence.

 

[Granville57]

Anyway, from The Armstrong Lie, here is the transcript of what Hincapie says:

"Frankie was my mentor, and the first time I ever saw dope was in Frankies refrigerator.

And thus the ambiguity, which gets back to BroDeal's point, which gets back to my point, which gets back to Netserk's question.

Has anyone, anywhere, yet followed up with George on this? How does Big George define "dope"? Is that his term for EPO? Because it sure as hell better not mean the first time Big George ever saw PEDs. There doesn't seem to be any debate about the fact that there was EPO in Frankie's fridge. But without specifying that, the whole issue gets clouded.

These acronyms get thrown around and interchanged at will, but the underlying facts are getting lost in the fog.

 

[sittingbison]

Nothing interesting about it brodeal, I'm a little under the pump here nuking BPCs rampage, and redacting insults. Of which you have made many, and admittedly many have been made against you. I can only do so much in a short time. Why don't you help me out a bit and report posts you feel go too far? And stop the mocking? Post not poster please

Cheers
Bison

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yeah, telling someone which pharmacy carries a drug is the very definition of a pusher. Why do you lie?

Interesting how SB edits the part of my post that mocks RR for a ridiculous claim that I am taking orders, the same claim he has made for years against anyone who opposes him, but SB leaves the claim untouched. He also deletes BPC's entire post that points out just how stupid such a claim is when made against someone with my years of posting history. But, hey, maybe I am a Armstrong sleeper agent. The plan was to post for years against Armstrong until the right moment when I could spring into action to malign the Andreus. That RR decided at the same time to lie about Hincapie is a coincidence.

I asked you had you seen The Armsrtong Lie, you ignored that.
Here is a copy - and I have linked to Georges statement with a transcript below:
http://youtu.be/ccSP-ERpY2E?t=1h24m13s


"Frankie was my mentor, and the first time I ever saw dope was in Frankies refrigerator. And thats when I realised, 'Well, fúck I have to dope'. So for me that really bothered me that all of a sudden he changed and he wasn't racing anymore and said 'Well, Lance is doping'. Well I mean, you taught me how to dope. How can you stand by when you know that you did what you did?
Lance never sat there and said, 'You're gonna dope or you're out or I'm firing you'. Thats just not true and they made it seem like that was the case"

 

[Race Radio]

Yeah, telling someone which pharmacy carries a drug is the very definition of a pusher. Why do you lie?

Why to you pretend that George did not say that Frankie brought EPO for him? I gave you the book, the page, the edition, yet you pretend he never said it....why?

Why do you pretend George never said Frankie taught him how to use EPO? That George claims to have never seen dope prior to Frankie's EPO. I gave you the movie, Dr. Mas gave you a link, but you pretend it does not exist. Why?

Instead of tossing out the "lie" nonsense again how about actually reading what is written?

You wonder why people question your agenda....it is pretty obvious why

 

[BroDeal]

I asked you had you seen The Armsrtong Lie, you ignored that.

I rarely read your posts. I have been doing that for a long time. I don't need to get involved in the usual ten page cyclone of what the definition of "is" is.

 

[Race Radio]

I rarely read your posts.

That may explain why you continue to embarrass yourself.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I rarely read your posts. I have been doing that for a long time. I don't need to get involved in the usual ten page cyclone of what the definition of "is" is.

He just ate your lunch with that post. I'd divert and pretend I didn't read it too if I were you.

Ribbit.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

The crap going on in the Clinic (BroDeal v RR etc. and all the other self serving , egotist and vain antagonists) makes a mockery of reasonable discourse about doping. CN should seriously consider shutting the Clinic site down because it has become a tedious bore to read the inanity of the commenting.

Either that or hire administrators with cojones. (PS I am currently unemployed)

 

[Race Radio]

The crap going on in the Clinic (BroDeal v RR etc. and all the other self serving , egotist and vain antagonists) makes a mockery of reasonable discourse about doping. CN should seriously consider shutting the Clinic site down because it has become a tedious bore to read the inanity of the commenting.

Either that or hire administrators with cojones. (PS I am currently unemployed)

Robbie for Mod!

 

[mewmewmew13]

I think the clinic needs robbie
give him a go!

 

[Alpe73]

Either that or hire administrators with cojones.

Good post, Robbie. Grapes couldn't have said it better, himself.

 

[the delgados]

The crap going on in the Clinic (BroDeal v RR etc. and all the other self serving , egotist and vain antagonists) makes a mockery of reasonable discourse about doping. CN should seriously consider shutting the Clinic site down because it has become a tedious bore to read the inanity of the commenting.

Either that or hire administrators with cojones. (PS I am currently unemployed)

I think it's reasonable to assume doping exists in cycling and a lot of other sports.

All else is pointless conjecture.

So there.

Good luck with the job application; but for the love of god, don't shut down the clinic.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The crap going on in the Clinic (BroDeal v RR etc. and all the other self serving , egotist and vain antagonists) makes a mockery of reasonable discourse about doping. CN should seriously consider shutting the Clinic site down because it has become a tedious bore to read the inanity of the commenting.

Either that or hire administrators with cojones. (PS I am currently unemployed)

Again, you are free, if something that you read really bothers you, to stop reading, and step away from your computer/Iphone/whatever. It is called freedom of choice and can be extended to almost anything. Try it, you'll like it.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Again, you are free, if something that you read really bothers you, to stop reading, and step away from your computer/Iphone/whatever. It is called freedom of choice and can be extended to almost anything. Try it, you'll like it.

The inanity of your comment just proved my point.

I have a legitimate interest in cycling and doping and I tune in to see if just once there might be a reasonable discussion about the two, so for that reason I read the comments. But no instead of commenting about some relevant doping/cycling issue all you can do is attack me for reading or trying to find some interesting slant on the issues.

 

[sittingbison]

...hire administrators with cojones. (PS I am currently unemployed)

bolded rules out Juan Pelota

 

[LaFlorecita]

More than just Defcon 5

Run for cover, mew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just felt like I was SWIRLING

SWIRLING


SWIRLING……..



aaaahhhh…….

Don't forget to take the cats inside

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why is BroDeal banned? I assume Race Radio was furiously reporting his posts but who cares about that? What rules did he break?

I doubt RR was reporting as they were engaging with Bro.
But if they did, they were certainly entitled to - remember the little experiment I did on you? Ya, you didn't like it - and that was subtle.

Going around calling someone a liar without backing up would be bad enough, but when it is then shown that you got it wrong and continue, I think thats pretty poor form.
You need to get over your inferiority complex.