The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridiculous they can get

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This is Pat's chance to spike Cookson's gun. Especially as he's been telling us all how much work he's been doing to make cycling cleaner. It's a big risk though, the blow back could be nasty !

Which begs the question..
Do we want our pound of flesh now? Or do we want a truly independant anti doping agency?
Personally id let Froome slide for that,maybe even pharmstrong(ok maybe not)

btw Im not sure Cookson would deliver on his promises even with the best of intentions.Fat Pat didnt do all this **** on his own,presumably his cohorts will still be there and the UCI bad record on keeping promises.

 

[Logic Al]

Exactly, why on earth would anyone with links to British cycling be a good choice for UCI president? Did anyone not see the London Olympics, doping in British sport is prevalent and testing at the Olympics and Pre-Olympics was a joke. Cycling is no longer the doping king of sport, the Olympics now carry that mantle.

Which British sportsmen/women were doping in the Olympics?

 

[Stueyy]

Which British sportsmen/women were doping in the Olympics?

Good ole bulldog spirit hey, gives you wings apparently.

 

[Logic Al]

Good ole bulldog spirit hey, gives you wings apparently.

Didn't answer the question

 

[stampedingviking]

Which British sportsmen/women were doping in the Olympics?

Good ole bulldog spirit hey, gives you wings apparently.

Come on, then, where's your evidence?

Put up or shut up.

 

[jilbiker]

Which British sportsmen/women were doping in the Olympics?

Really...Pretty obvious to me, if you workout long enough with body builders you will know artificial results and muscles in a glance. But then they would not admit that in Britian, right? When Linford Christie won 100m at 32, I knew this fella was doped to the gills, besides the age, the physique and he had shown no signs of being better than a bronze or silver winner. But he was hailed in Britian.

 

[Chaddy]

All of them according to the clinic.

 

[Logic Al]

Really...Pretty obvious to me, if you workout long enough with body builders you will know artificial results and muscles in a glance. But then they would not admit that in Britian, right? When Linford Christie won 100m at 32, I knew this fella was doped to the gills, besides the age, the physique and he had shown no signs of being better than a bronze or silver winner. But he was hailed in Britian.

You're saying it's obvious and you can tell just be glancing, then name a British athlete from 20 years ago rather than one from the Olympics!

If so obvious, name and shame? Ennis? Trott? The horses in the dressage?

 

[Cyivel]

Which British sportsmen/women were doping in the Olympics?

Wiggins and Froome

 

[Logic Al]

Wiggins and Froome

Haha

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[jilbiker]

Wiggins and Froome

Thanks Cyivel...qad errand demonstrandum

 

[Benotti69]

All of them according to the clinic.

This is the clinic that calls out doping and has a big success rate, but that aint hard when so many dope.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I would note that Christine Ohuorogu's top 3 career times have come in 2 Olympic finals and a World Championships final, and she has previous for not being where she says she's going to be when the testers come calling.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I would note that Christine Ohuorogu's top 3 career times have come in 2 Olympic finals and a World Championships final, and she has previous for not being where she says she's going to be when the testers come calling.

Have you started watching this tdf?

 

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You're saying it's obvious and you can tell just be glancing, then name a British athlete from 20 years ago rather than one from the Olympics!

If so obvious, name and shame? Ennis? Trott? The horses in the dressage?

OI not to be mentioned and therefore sullied by the clinic,even too make a point

 

[lemoogle]

You're saying it's obvious and you can tell just be glancing, then name a British athlete from 20 years ago rather than one from the Olympics!

If so obvious, name and shame? Ennis? Trott? The horses in the dressage?

(I will be talking about doubt here , not 100% doping accusations) .
Well there's definitely the track doubts about Kenny, hoy and the sprint team, getting beat in every competition before the olympics, to suddenly destroy all the other sprinters ( with barely any effort ) just like 4 years before. What professional athlete peaks every 4 years?
Not to mention just the all round massive difference between the olympics and the world championship performances from a few months before.
There is not enough info to really give any opinions on Female track imo.

On a side note, not that I think it has anything to do with any brit conspiracy, I was very suspicious of the Mo Farah + Galen Rupp performance, being as they train together and so easily beat the ethiopians.
Ohuorogu of course is also suspicious.

 

[barn yard]

You're saying it's obvious and you can tell just be glancing, then name a British athlete from 20 years ago rather than one from the Olympics!

If so obvious, name and shame? Ennis? Trott? The horses in the dressage?

entire GB track squad

correct me if i am wrong but i am pretty sure EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM either broke a world record (including bettering their own WR on the same day), or got a gold medal

not normal

 

[martinvickers]

(I will be talking about doubt here , not 100% doping accusations) .
Well there's definitely the track doubts about Kenny, hoy and the sprint team, getting beat in every competition before the olympics, to suddenly destroy all the other sprinters ( with barely any effort ) just like 4 years before. What professional athlete peaks every 4 years?

One whose money is entirely calculated by Olympic targets, unlike the French. BTW, the barely any effort is laughable.

IF you want to doubt somebody on that team, i wouldn't go after Hoy, whose long been a phenom in the sport from a young age, and has been consistently anti-doping.

You would be better considering the young German brought in at the last minute who from 17.5, improved to outdrag Gregory Bauge. and has not reproduced that form since.

Not to mention just the all round massive difference between the olympics and the world championship performances from a few months before.
There is not enough info to really give any opinions on Female track imo.

The Team pursuit girls have been extraordinarily dominant. In other threads that would invite suspicion But then so would sudden rises as well. heads you win, tails you lose.

On a side note, not that I think it has anything to do with any brit conspiracy, I was very suspicious of the Mo Farah + Galen Rupp performance, being as they train together and so easily beat the ethiopians.
Ohuorogu of course is also suspicious.

indeed. though i think Salazar's relationship with john smith rather more worrying than simply training together

 

[thehog]

Team Sky manager David Brailsford has dismissed the debate about power data, performance and suspicion of doping as pseudo science. However Chris Froome's superb performance in the Mont-Saint-Michel time trial has sparked a new tide of analysis, debate and conjecture.

Gazzetta dello Sport journalist Claudio Ghisalberti has calculated that Froome produced 18% more power than main overall rivals Alberto Contador and Alejandro Valverde.

Gazzetta calculated that Martin produced 480 watts during his TT, pushing a huge gear of 58x11. Froome weighs nine kilogrammes less than Martin but Gazzetta calculates he produced an average of 470 watts during his ride. Valverde and Contador were much slower and produced lower power outputs, reportedly around 385 watts.

18%. Wowzza!

 

[EnacheV]

18%. Wowzza!

Gazzetta , italian sport paper "calculated" watts over a flat stage....

Can it go more ridiculous than that?

Even for 8 years old, on flat, 2 minutes / 37 minutes is 5-6%, grosso modo, not that you can calculate anything on flat.

 

[meat puppet]

Gazzetta , italian sport paper "calculated" watts over a flat stage....

Can it go more ridiculous than that?

Even for 8 years old, on flat, 2 minutes / 37 minutes is 5-6%, grosso modo, not that you can calculate anything on flat.

don't worry, next year they'll teach you that power to overcome air resistance does not increase linearly

 

[EnacheV]

don't worry, next year they'll teach you that power to overcome air resistance does not increase linearly

and ofc they will teach you that air resistance depends on so many factors that even in wind tunnels they cant calculate it exactly.

thats why is for 8y kids and grosso modo

coming with numbers out of your *** is not journalism

 

[Benotti69]

and ofc they will teach you that air resistance depends on so many factors that even in wind tunnels they cant calculate it exactly.

thats why is for 8y kids and grosso modo

coming with numbers out of your *** is not journalism

obfuscation on here is trolling

 

[meat puppet]

even if we discount the power number and only account for time, 5-7% is a huge chunk. hence the ballpark figure for power will also be remarkable, even if there are slight differences in conditions and aerodynamics.

WRT to froome's ride that's all I need to know, basically, as I dont believe in unicorns. does not exactly help that he almost beat martin as well.

it it true, however, that a reliable and manageable figure for getting ballpark figures for TT performances is needed.

 

[thehog]

even if we discount the power number and only account for time, 5-7% is a huge chunk. hence the ballpark figure for power will also be remarkable, even if there are slight differences in conditions and aerodynamics.

WRT to froome's ride that's all I need to know, basically, as I dont believe in unicorns. does not exactly help that he almost beat martin as well.

it it true, however, that a reliable and manageable figure for getting ballpark figures for TT performances is needed.

Several papers are questioning this new myth.

13:31:51 CEST
There has been much debate about the user of power calculations to understand if performances are credible. It has been dismissed as pseudo science but Froome's TT perfomance has sparked even more debate.
In today's Gazzetta dello Sport, calculations indicate that Froome was 18% more powerful that Contador and Valverde.