The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridiculous they can get

[TubularBills]

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Yep. Froome is still really hard to watch.

Really he should be banned on the basis of his style. Never mind about the drugs.

Granted, he's not the prettiest to watch....but there are worse sights in the peloton....Pozzovivo on a TT bike and Fabio Aru climbing out of the saddle are 2 that immediately spring to mind...

At least Froome can justify his ugliness with the success it's bought him

I miss he joys of smooth pedalling and motionless body. Give me a Klöden or an Ullrich any day.

VDB at Bartoli at their peak, poetry in motion.

https://www.facebook.com/sporza/videos/10155493849369271/

You got me @ "Poetry in Motion."

Kinetic Alchemy

VDB! A favorite. Such a spectacular & sad fate.

https://youtu.be/EPgDzp1yGQI

Truly, a (pre-doping) natural talent.

Unfortunately, it is the result of this & many more stories that the 'Clinic' exists.

What a drag that we follow this with the hypocrisy of Chris Froome.

Hopeful that VDB wasn't doping at 14?

"It must have been when I was about 19 or 20 and went out training with a friend on the Belgian borders. As we spun along, out of nowhere this skinny blond kid was on our back wheel. He looked about 14. He was still there 15 minutes later, so we picked up speed. He just sat there, so we picked up the pace again. It was still no problem for him. I looked over my shoulder and he gave me a half-mocking, half-friendly grin. In the end, we went as hard as we could to try to get rid of him and teach the little brat a lesson, because by now he was getting a bit too cocky for our tastes. But whatever we did, he still hung on. After about an hour, we came into a village called Ploegsteert, at which point he came alongside with real arrogance and said 'OK, I'm back home now, so 'bye. By the way, I'm Frank Vandenbroucke.' Neither of us had ever met a kid like him."

Paradise Lost.

 

[42x16ss]

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Yep. Froome is still really hard to watch.

Really he should be banned on the basis of his style. Never mind about the drugs.

Granted, he's not the prettiest to watch....but there are worse sights in the peloton....Pozzovivo on a TT bike and Fabio Aru climbing out of the saddle are 2 that immediately spring to mind...

At least Froome can justify his ugliness with the success it's bought him

I miss he joys of smooth pedalling and motionless body. Give me a Klöden or an Ullrich any day.

VDB at Bartoli at their peak, poetry in motion.

https://www.facebook.com/sporza/videos/10155493849369271/

You got me @ "Poetry in Motion."

Kinetic Alchemy

VDB! A favorite. Such a spectacular & sad fate.

https://youtu.be/EPgDzp1yGQI

Truly, a (pre-doping) natural talent.

Unfortunately, it is the result of this & many more stories that the 'Clinic' exists.

What a drag that we follow this with the hypocrisy of Chris Froome.

Hopeful that VDB wasn't doping at 14?

"It must have been when I was about 19 or 20 and went out training with a friend on the Belgian borders. As we spun along, out of nowhere this skinny blond kid was on our back wheel. He looked about 14. He was still there 15 minutes later, so we picked up speed. He just sat there, so we picked up the pace again. It was still no problem for him. I looked over my shoulder and he gave me a half-mocking, half-friendly grin. In the end, we went as hard as we could to try to get rid of him and teach the little brat a lesson, because by now he was getting a bit too cocky for our tastes. But whatever we did, he still hung on. After about an hour, we came into a village called Ploegsteert, at which point he came alongside with real arrogance and said 'OK, I'm back home now, so 'bye. By the way, I'm Frank Vandenbroucke.' Neither of us had ever met a kid like him."

Paradise Lost.

It’s like Pantani dropping his friends from school on a club ride using his mother’s town bike, before he even had a bike of his own. Doping doesn’t preclude natural talent.

 

[thehog]

Re: The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridic

VDB, just beautiful on a bike. He would destroy Froome at any age.

 

[macbindle]

Not in a GT he wouldn't.

Watching him lose would probably be more enjoyable than watching Froome win, however.

 

[thehog]

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Never speak ill of the dead. RIP.

 

[macbindle]

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Never speak ill of the dead. RIP.

1. I'm not speaking ill of the dead. VDB was not a Tour contender.

2. That is a really cheap comment

 

[thehog]

Re: The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridic

Never speak ill of the dead. RIP.

1. I'm not speaking ill of the dead. VDB was not a Tour contender.

2. That is a really cheap comment

1. He was still a young man and did extremely well in the Vuelta before drugs, alcohol, and depression sapped his life and raw talent.

2. Don’t be ridiculous.

 

[Merckx index]

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VDB at Bartoli at their peak, poetry in motion.

When I see my favorite
What do I see?
Poetry
Poetry in motion…

Poetry in motion
When riding single file
Between him and Froome an ocean
In their style, oh that style!

Poetry in motion
No side to side sway
Froome with an attacking notion
Could never move that way

I love every pedal stroke
There’s nothing gone to waste
He has no need for a puff toke
Who cares at all about haste?

Poetry in motion
All that I adore
No blood boost special potion
Could make me watch him more

I love every pedal stroke
There’s nothing gone to waste
He has no need for a puff toke
Who cares at all about haste?

Poetry in motion
Dancing up the climbs
For’er has my devotion
No matter his final time

 

[macbindle]

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Never speak ill of the dead. RIP.

1. I'm not speaking ill of the dead. VDB was not a Tour contender.

2. That is a really cheap comment

1. He was still a young man and did extremely well in the Vuelta before drugs, alcohol, and depression sapped his life and raw talent.

2. Don’t be ridiculous.

I think you can do better than trying to score cheap points off the back of a dead man. Leave it be.

 

[thehog]

Re: The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridic

Never speak ill of the dead. RIP.

1. I'm not speaking ill of the dead. VDB was not a Tour contender.

2. That is a really cheap comment

1. He was still a young man and did extremely well in the Vuelta before drugs, alcohol, and depression sapped his life and raw talent.

2. Don’t be ridiculous.

I think you can do better than trying to score cheap points off the back of a dead man. Leave it be.

Yes I can do better by showing (schooling) you that VDB was always seen as a future Tour winner, even when you ignore my Vuelta reference. Poor return of serve to be honest. Your Froome colored glasses do get in the way sometimse

"That Vuelta a España was the only time in my career that another rider made me lose the will to race my bike. I'm talking about Frank Vandenbroucke," Miceli says, for the avoidance of any ambiguity. "He'd be coming back to the hotel in the small hours, with a girl, possibly drunk, and then going and killing us all on the road the next day. You know, you train hard, you go a month without sex before a grand tour - because you tell yourself that's what it takes - then you see that. It makes you think, 'What am I even doing here?'"

For just over a fortnight, Vandenbroucke was hailed as the new king of Belgian cycling. A future Tour winner. Maybe another Eddy Merckx.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/vuelta-a-espana-iconic-stages-vandenbroucke-and-the-99-race/

The annals record that Jan Ullrich won the 1999 Vuelta, but for most who were there - like Miceli - the race was in equal measures memorable and traumatic on account of Vandenbroucke's performances. The late enfant terrible of Belgian cycling won two stages, to Teruel and Ávila, and in the final ten days rode the the entire peloton, Ullrich included, into beleaguered, awestruck submission.

 

[macbindle]

You go as cheap as you want. I'm not coming with you.

 

[thehog]

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You go as cheap as you want. I'm not coming with you.

That’s fine, it’s clear you don’t want to see or are embarrassed for being wrong, that I cannot help.

But I welcome everyone else to read the article it’s a fascinating insight, especially what could have been, no doubt VDB was a future Tour winner and a much more rounded and talented rider than Froome.

 

[thehog]

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Probably worth adding Froome’s ex coach Bobby Jullich was in the same team as VDB in the 1999 Vuelta

 

[42x16ss]

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Probably worth adding Froome’s ex coach Bobby Jullich was in the same team as VDB in the 1999 Vuelta

I'm more concerned about how Julich pushed both Ulrich and Pantani all the way to Paris in 1998. The only reason Julich didn't come second was they ganged up on Cofidis with a surprise attack.

 

[thehog]

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Probably worth adding Froome’s ex coach Bobby Jullich was in the same team as VDB in the 1999 Vuelta

I'm more concerned about how Julich pushed both Ulrich and Pantani all the way to Paris in 1998. The only reason Julich didn't come second was they ganged up on Cofidis with a surprise attack.

Fully agree and don’t forget Jullich’s second coming at CSC under Riis, lol!

 

[Pantani_lives]

Team Skybutamol came fully prepared to the Tour.

 

[Benotti69]

I think the con o meter has been broken. It cannot measure that amount of con coming out of Sky.

 

[frisenfruitig]

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You go as cheap as you want. I'm not coming with you.

That’s fine, it’s clear you don’t want to see or are embarrassed for being wrong, that I cannot help.

But I welcome everyone else to read the article it’s a fascinating insight, especially what could have been, no doubt VDB was a future Tour winner and a much more rounded and talented rider than Froome.

There are people who would even argue against this? Froome was pack fodder until he was like 25 lol. Of course VDB was much, much more talented.

 

[Benotti69]

I think Brailford has an Ego to match Armstrong.

'I think he's (Lappartient) still got the local French mayor kind of mentality' says Team Sky boss

 

[Benotti69]

Rupert Murdoch set to receive clearance in bid for full control of Sky

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jul/08/rupert-murdoch-set-to-receive-clearance-in-bid-for-full-control-of-sky

Cant have his team's big star testing positive now can he........

 

[Benotti69]

The culture of lying continues

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rowe-plays-down-altercation-with-anti-sky-fan/

plus ca change

 

[wirral]

Yesterday was up there on levels of ridiculousness. (I'm including the post-stage interview too)

 

[Puckfiend]

Tomorrow Sky goes one-two. In reverse order. Froome takes yellow. Tour over on stage 12. Onward to the Vuelta!

 

[JosephK]

Re: The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridic

It will be fun to see the spin that comes out of the Sky PR machine after Froome takes the red jersey at this year's Vuelta. It's amazing what proper warming-down and hand-washing can do. When will those other teams learn how to train properly? And strategy! Having the plan in place really pays off. Why don't the other teams think to have their domestiques ride the legs off top GC men on tempo rides? It's really basic stuff, here.

 

[samhocking]

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Think you're assuming wrongly that Sky would actually reveal their marginal gains? We get to hear about what can be said for the marketing department, not what actually makes a difference in my opinion. People take that as being non-transparent, I take it as simply business sense. I would never reveal the secrets to my company success just because people ask. Knowledge is my unique asset, there would be no way I would just reveal what I worked so hard for. I'd reveal the stuff I know makes some difference, but available to my competitors anyway. The stuff that truly makes me unique I would not even sell to a competitor.